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post #14251 of 38734
6/12/09 at 9:17pm
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Originally Posted by animalsrush View Post

Quick question: Is it due to the beta version of the firmware that i cannot update it via network? When i check it says i have latest firmware which is the last released version

Glad to see someone else had the same question.
It was weird that the FW upgrade info said I had the latest -- even if the newest is only available via non-network.
It would be nice if the message noted that.
Not that big of a deal, just confusing, as I didn't know how I had downloaded the newest version without specificially approving it via ethernet.

I get it now.

Mike
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post #14252 of 38734
6/12/09 at 9:21pm
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

If you can come up with a different theory as to why his fan is so loud on 2 different brand new players, and no one else is complaining of a loud fan, I'd like to hear what the answer is.
From the information that has been given, there are only 3 possible answers in my mind.

1) Something in the environment is causing the fan to sound louder. Like the sound bouncing off of a wall or the positioning of the player.

2)OPPO QC has screwed up and sent him 2 out of spec units with loud fans, but has not sent anyone else the same type of out of spec player.

3)He has his hearing aid turned up too loud.

I wonder if the AC line voltage is high or maybe the neutral/hot are reversed if that might cause a problem.
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post #14253 of 38734
6/12/09 at 9:51pm
Anyone else read the new Stereophile review (July issue)? My interpretation is that

1) Kal believes it is the best sounding analog output an Oppo player has delivered.
2) But that it's analog output is bested by some dedicated audio units of considerably greater expense (ie, you have to spend multiples of the Oppo's price to get the units he compared it with and thought were better).
3) Via HDMI, it is equivalent to others in his setup.
4) He does (or did) have the popping problem on SACD (though I couldn't tell whether that was via analog, or HDMI LPCM or DSD, or all three).

Anyway, not a complete review (it was prefaced as a discussion of a beta unit) but another data point in the discussion of audio quality.

And the sober approach was another reminder that Kal's column alone can make the subscription to the magazine worthwhile.
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post #14254 of 38734
6/12/09 at 9:55pm
I ran into something funny with subtitles while watching Bugsy on DVD this evening. Towards the beginning I turned them on for a second because I couldn't pick up a bit of the dialogue. Cycled through the other two subtitle languages to the "off" selection.

Couple of chapters later, suddenly I have Portuguese subtitles on the screen. I messed around with the subtitle button, did nothing. Pause, stop, etc, did nothing. Then they disappeared on their own. Throughout the movie at random intervals (not even beginnings of chapters) the Portuguese would show up, then go away.

Anyone seen this on a DVD or BD?
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post #14255 of 38734
6/13/09 at 12:06am
Thread Starter 
I only see this happen when you use the Yellow button to skip the previews and go direct to the main feature.

For example, on Noein, if I use the Yellow button to skip the previews, English audio and subtitles are selected, despite going into the Menu of the disc and English audio and No Subtitles are selected. If I double press Stop (remove breakpoint and presets) and load the disc normally, if I go straight to PLAY, the defaults for the disc are properly loaded (in this case English audio and No Subtitles)

I have also seen a couple of movies where the subtitles will randomly appear for that dialogue instance, such as the case with The Sound of Music.
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post #14256 of 38734
6/13/09 at 12:14am
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

1) Something in the environment is causing the fan to sound louder. Like the sound bouncing off of a wall or the positioning of the player.

Very possible. If the unit is in an enclosed space, or the construction of the cabinet is "off", the fan noise could be enhanced due to resonance or collision. A dirty diagnostic would be to move the unit completely out of the cabinet and use it on a flat surface open surface (like a kitchen table) and measure the fan noise.

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2)OPPO QC has screwed up and sent him 2 out of spec units with loud fans, but has not sent anyone else the same type of out of spec player.

Could be possible, but it also can relate to 1) and 3).

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3)He has his hearing aid turned up too loud.

Some people will be more susceptible to certain frequencies then others. It is possible that this user is more attuned to the frequency of the fan. However, under this postulation the SPL levels for the fan should probably be lower than what they are.
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post #14257 of 38734
6/13/09 at 12:17am
What button on the oppo remote will let skip the trailers on Blu ray movies and take u to the main menu for the movie.
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post #14258 of 38734
6/13/09 at 12:31am
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TOP MENU, but this is very dependent on the programming of the disc. Disney films, for example, can usually go straight to the Main Menu when you hear Peter Pan say "Let's go!". While most discs stubbornly require that you keep pressing Skip Forward until you reach the Main Menu.
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post #14259 of 38734
6/13/09 at 12:47am
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

TOP MENU, but this is very dependent on the programming of the disc. Disney films, for example, can usually go straight to the Main Menu when you hear Peter Pan say "Let's go!". While most discs stubbornly require that you keep pressing Skip Forward until you reach the Main Menu.

It seem as if the top menu never works. It used to work on my panny bd35 and ps3. Can someone name a blu ray title where the top menu function does work on the oppo.
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post #14260 of 38734
6/13/09 at 1:17am
Did the firmware update tonight via USB. Took just minutes from download to finish -- piece of cake. Here's a tip for people who want to follow the instructions to the letter, but don't really like the idea of writing down settings so you can do a reset of factory defaults. Use a camera (like the one you probably have in your phone) to take quick screen shots of the panels in the setup menu. I did this and was back with all my adjusted settings in a couple minutes with no writing.
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post #14261 of 38734
6/13/09 at 1:43am
Hi Guys - I've searched for the answer to this question but haven't found it, so apologies if this is in essence a repost.

But.

When using this player with a 6.1 amplifier (analogue 6.1 inputs), is there a setting which allows the two surround back channels to be mixed into a single surround back channel, for 7.1 material? Or is 5.1 the "closest" downmix available for 7.1 material?

Cheers - Nik

P.S. Same question goes for native 6.1 material too! (e.g. dts-es discrete)
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post #14262 of 38734
6/13/09 at 4:32am
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Originally Posted by rhcorolla View Post

Per correspondence w/ Oppo: "The fan should only turn on when the ambient temperature in the player gets above 105F."

The email I got from Oppo said:

"The fan should only kick in when the player is extremely hot. We are talking about internal temperatures which are 140 degrees type of hot. For most conditions, the player will not engage the fan.

Unfortunately we do not have any plans to develop a firmware which will delay the distribution of audio in order to compensate for audio acquisition handshake delays.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
2629B Terminal Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94043"
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post #14263 of 38734
6/13/09 at 4:41am
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Originally Posted by DigVid View Post

The email I got from Oppo said "The fan should only kick in when the player is extremely hot. We are talking about internal temperatures which are 140 degrees type of hot. For most conditions, the player will not engage the fan.

Unfortunately we do not have any plans to develop a firmware which will delay the distribution of audio in order to compensate for audio acquisition handshake delays.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
2629B Terminal Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94043"

Wow. Here is e-mail I got from Oppo:

Robert,

The fan should only turn on when the ambient temperature in the player gets above 105F. The cover of the player should be hot, as the player uses the chasis to dissipate heat. If at all possible, try using the player on another surface which is not directly above the AVR.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
2629B Terminal Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94043
Service@oppodigital.com
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119
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post #14264 of 38734
6/13/09 at 5:28am
Loaded the new firmware last night, no problems. After the powerdown I turned the 83 on and did the factory reset. Checked to make sure the new versions were loaded, all well. When I went to into set-up to input my settings I noticed some of the factory settings had returned to the origonals and others had not. The zone for the remote remained at 2 which is what I had set 3 weeks ago when I got the unit. Is this normal?
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post #14265 of 38734
6/13/09 at 5:40am
rhcorolla, I have a Scythe S-FLEX fan within my cabinet, one with a Sony air bearing setup. I have it connected to the AVR to turn on immediately with that equipment. This fan is so quiet that you can barely hear it running with it placed next to your ear. It doesn't move much air, but it's enough to create an air flow over the equipment to promote cooling. Besides the AVR throwing heat, I also have two 500w subwoofer amps within that cabinet, and the -83's fan never comes on even though it sits on a Motorola cable box. I suggest you may want to investigate something like my setup to see if it helps your situation. I agree with Smarty that there's very little chance that you received two defective units.

Here's the link to the fan: http://www.coolerguys.com/sff21.html You'll also need the power supply.
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post #14266 of 38734
6/13/09 at 6:11am
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

Anyone else read the new Stereophile review (July issue)? My interpretation is that

1) Kal believes it is the best sounding analog output an Oppo player has delivered.
2) But that it's analog output is bested by some dedicated audio units of considerably greater expense (ie, you have to spend multiples of the Oppo's price to get the units he compared it with and thought were better).
3) Via HDMI, it is equivalent to others in his setup.
4) He does (or did) have the popping problem on SACD (though I couldn't tell whether that was via analog, or HDMI LPCM or DSD, or all three).

Anyway, not a complete review (it was prefaced as a discussion of a beta unit) but another data point in the discussion of audio quality.

And the sober approach was another reminder that Kal's column alone can make the subscription to the magazine worthwhile.

I just read it this morning.
As you said, not really a review, but some positive and balanced commentary.

Mike
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post #14267 of 38734
6/13/09 at 6:31am
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Originally Posted by dsok View Post

With new FW selecting MC for SACD playback , I can no longer switch to stereo via the remote. If I select Stereo in the set-up, I can switch to MC with the remote, but not back to stereo. Wonder what happened...

I notified Oppo about this. They replied that they had not been able to confirm it.

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Originally Posted by timkeeler View Post

I have it set to MC in the setup and had no problem using the Audio button on the remote to switch back and forth to stereo output. I haven't tried setting the default to stereo and then switching back and forth but can try that later tonight to confirm. Don't know if it matters but I am using MC analog output.

I'm using analog also.

I tried reinstalling the firmware. The first disc I tried would not switch. The next disc I tried would. I have been going through my MC SACDs and have determined that is label specific. All Telarc, Sony, Verve, Chesky, Capital (only have one), and Hyperion disc will switch to the stereo layer. All Mercury, Pentatone, RCA, Harmonia Mundi, and my house produced SFO (Mahler's 2nd) will not. I can't honestly say that this was not the case before I reinstalled the FW. I may not have tried any of the switchable ones.
Please check your labels to see if you can confirm or add to the list. I will send Oppo my list.

Thanks,
Steve
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post #14268 of 38734
6/13/09 at 6:44am
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Originally Posted by tmauceri View Post

Loaded the new firmware last night, no problems. After the powerdown I turned the 83 on and did the factory reset. Checked to make sure the new versions were loaded, all well. When I went to into set-up to input my settings I noticed some of the factory settings had returned to the origonals and others had not. The zone for the remote remained at 2 which is what I had set 3 weeks ago when I got the unit. Is this normal?

Yes.
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post #14269 of 38734
6/13/09 at 7:04am
Gattaca, Pirates I, II, III, I haven't found one on which it didn't. Doesn't mean there aren't many. DVD-A is another matter...
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post #14270 of 38734
6/13/09 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

I have a 151 and have only had trouble with one disc where the picture stuttered. That said, I don't really see much of a difference with SD DVD set to 24 or not.


JazzGuyy: Are you using Source Direct, Auto, or 1080p on the 83? If you are not using Source Direct, have you tried it with your Pio 151?

-George
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post #14271 of 38734
6/13/09 at 7:55am
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Originally Posted by G.M. View Post


JazzGuyy: Are you using Source Direct, Auto, or 1080p on the 83? If you are not using Source Direct, have you tried it with your Pio 151?

-George

I have been using Auto and have been letting the Oppo do the uscaling. I watch a lot of classic movies on DVD and I want to be able to use dot by dot to see every bit of the picture. This means I have to feed the 151 1080 data. The upscaling is clearly better than my Samsung BD-UP5000's Reon processor upscaling. I may try Source Direct at some point but am in no hurry to do this. I doubt the Pioneer can upscale any better since it was about equal to the Reon and the Oppo is clearly better. I tend to be one of those people who, once I find settings that work for me, doesn't do much tweaking unless I hear of a really good reason to do so.
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post #14272 of 38734
6/13/09 at 8:47am
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

TOP MENU, but this is very dependent on the programming of the disc. Disney films, for example, can usually go straight to the Main Menu when you hear Peter Pan say "Let's go!". While most discs stubbornly require that you keep pressing Skip Forward until you reach the Main Menu.

Neuromancer....you're not entirely correct

First there's Captain Jack: "We have our heading..."


Then Peter jumps in with "Here we gooooo!"

I actually enjoy this opening because it will kick on my sub before the feature starts
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post #14273 of 38734
6/13/09 at 9:53am
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post #14274 of 38734
6/13/09 at 10:19am
I updated my FW last night. Quick and easy. I thought you had to go through more than one pass to update with the 83?

It loaded the Main Version BDP83-27-0601, Loader Version BE2400 85752400, and Sub Version MCU83-23-0513 all off the same disc.

While entering my speaker distance settings I noticed Oppo fixed the rollover issue. Stops at 10+ DB and 10- DB. I remember someone posting Oppo should fix this. The Devil is in the Details.
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post #14275 of 38734
6/13/09 at 10:21am
I had some issues getting beta the firmware loaded onto my player last night. I tried with my SanDisk Cruzer Titanium USB drive and when I stuck the flash drive in, it would show the USB icon on screen and then just freeze my player and the only thing I could do is turn it off. Any other buttons did not respond. I tried probably 5-6 times without any luck. Then I went and burned it to a CD, everything went fine, verified the CD after the burn and put the disc in the only have it say that the firmware was corrupt. The Boot Loader and the MC updated fine after that, but the main firmware still remained the 0430 version. I gave up last night, since it was about 3:30AM and I tried again this morning.

I burned another disc, this time a DVD-R, and verified once again... and this time it worked.

I am sure I am an isolated incident, but dang was that frustrating!

I haven't been able to check out the new firmware yet, but I will later today.
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post #14276 of 38734
6/13/09 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by Aetherhole View Post

I had some issues getting beta the firmware loaded onto my player last night. I tried with my SanDisk Cruzer Titanium USB drive...

Do you have that crap SanDisk software that comes with their newer thumb drives? I wonder if it's throwing the Oppo for a loop.
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post #14277 of 38734
6/13/09 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

I only see this happen when you use the Yellow button to skip the previews and go direct to the main feature.

Nope, didn't use it. I'll have to mess with it some more. The one thing I didn't try was the double stop.

Funny thing I did see....when I pressed stop once, it would display a still from the movie with the title on it, which I have never seen before. Ever seen this?
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post #14278 of 38734
6/13/09 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by rhcorolla View Post

Really? I'm an HVAC Engineer & energy savings recommended thermostat settting is 78 deg. F for summer. I do set at 75F @ bed time though.

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Originally Posted by halsan40 View Post

I don't think it matters if your a HVAC engineer. It is what is confortable to people paying the electric bills. My AC is set at 73 deg during the day and 64 during the night (I have a split system so my Bed Room only gets that cold) and I live in Fl.
As one of the first 50 EAP'ers, I have never heard the fan at 8' away from my 70" JVC display.

Holy moly - 64 deg?!!! I'd call that freezing. We keep our AC at 78 deg when home, 80 deg when at work. I couldn't afford the electricity bills if I kept it at 64-73 deg.

And frankly, I like the temps where they are at - I go to work where it is set for about 72 deg and feel cold all day.

Of course, my pool is solar heated, and the water is currently at 97 deg, just where I like it...

And my electronics do not overheat, but I have a cooling fan that I added to the back of my cabinet to exhaust hot air.

I still don't own the Oppo BDP-83 yet - job security is not where I'd like it right now, and I have two BD players and two DVD-A/SACD players already, so hard to justify..

IMHO,

shinksma
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post #14279 of 38734
6/13/09 at 10:49am
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

I have been using Auto and have been letting the Oppo do the uscaling. I watch a lot of classic movies on DVD and I want to be able to use dot by dot to see every bit of the picture. This means I have to feed the 151 1080 data. The upscaling is clearly better than my Samsung BD-UP5000's Reon processor upscaling. I may try Source Direct at some point but am in no hurry to do this. I doubt the Pioneer can upscale any better since it was about equal to the Reon and the Oppo is clearly better. I tend to be one of those people who, once I find settings that work for me, doesn't do much tweaking unless I hear of a really good reason to do so.

I was using Auto for the duration of the EAP until someone suggested trying Source Direct especially for SD-DVD's (of which I have two-thousand...!!!). Despite trying to compare Auto and Source Direct I still cannot come to a conclusion on which is the better of the two choices. I think I'll revert back to the Auto mode for a while prompted by your Reon/Oppo comment being 'clearly better.' That sounds reasonable to me.

Thanks for your reply.

-G
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6/13/09 at 10:50am
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Originally Posted by Aetherhole View Post

I had some issues getting beta the firmware loaded onto my player last night. I tried with my SanDisk Cruzer Titanium USB drive and when I stuck the flash drive in, it would show the USB icon on screen and then just freeze my player and the only thing I could do is turn it off. Any other buttons did not respond. I tried probably 5-6 times without any luck. Then I went and burned it to a CD, everything went fine, verified the CD after the burn and put the disc in the only have it say that the firmware was corrupt. The Boot Loader and the MC updated fine after that, but the main firmware still remained the 0430 version. I gave up last night, since it was about 3:30AM and I tried again this morning.

I burned another disc, this time a DVD-R, and verified once again... and this time it worked.

I am sure I am an isolated incident, but dang was that frustrating!

I haven't been able to check out the new firmware yet, but I will later today.

Mac by any chance? The Oppo refuses to cooperate with USB drives that were formatted by a Mac ... even FAT32.
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