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Originally Posted by tomcrown1 View Post

I used a USB thumb drive formatted to FAT32--made sure I copied the completed folder titled UPG and not each of the items inside the folder. If you copy the items individually it will not work. This was all done on an intel mac.

Still no joy in Mudville...I did that the first time and tried again. Looks like I might have to go the burn disc route. It IS a bit frustrating though...

Thanks for your help (and all the other folks too) with this matter.
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Thanks for pointing this out. I'm surprised that DTS seems to be the default for BD's. Dolby seemed to have the edge for HD DVD. Just so happened that the 4 BD's I rented did not have trueHD.
Thanks again.
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

People claim that there is a difference between the two... I have not tried it personally. I'd have to say that the difference, if it exists, is in the pathing - not the conversion. yet - I don't know what those differences are.

From a different forum.. Correspondence from Oppo

Here is their reply (which came really fast):

This will not be the same. The reason for this is that the dedicated stereo analog outputs use a different OP/AMP, DAC, higher-end capacitors and resistors, and a higher output voltage then the multi-channel analog outputs. For stereo audio, we always recommend using the dedicated stereo output when possible.

Sips
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I sent Oppo an email on yesterday on Fathers Day. I expected to get a response today. I ended up getting a response from Oppo on Sunday fathers day. That is some great customer service.
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Originally Posted by bori View Post

I sent Oppo an email on yesterday on Fathers Day. I expected to get a response today. I ended up getting a response from Oppo on Sunday fathers day. That is some great customer service.

Maybe they're all single guys without fathers.
post #14976 of 38774
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Originally Posted by drbobt View Post

I just watched Benjamin Button this weekend. Could someone confirm this has a dolby truehd soundtrack.

Here is another source of Blu-ray information.

Blu-rayStats
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The specifications state that the BDP-83 has 7.1 analog outputs and 7.1 capability from PCM soundtracks. It goes on the say it can output >>up to 5.1ch DSD, bitstream or LPCM conversion of Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS, DTS-HD High Resolution Audio, and DTS-HD Master Audio.<<

Not sure how the player would limit a 7.1 bitstream to 5.1 since it cannot modify the bitstream in passthru mode , but I'm more concerned about the internal decoding capability. Can someone verify whether it is limited to 5.1 as stated, or can it perform full 7.1 decoding for HDMA and TrueHD?

Sorry if this is already covered--this is a very long thread.
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Originally Posted by drbobt View Post

...I'm surprised that DTS seems to be the default for BD's....

I always preferred the DTS tracks given the choice on a DVD, and my HD DVD player also since it didn't support the lossless codecs. Thinking of my various BDs, I'm fairly sure that DTS will be in the majority as will 5.1 instead of 7.1.
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Originally Posted by arkangel_3 View Post

Still no joy in Mudville...I did that the first time and tried again. Looks like I might have to go the burn disc route. It IS a bit frustrating though...

Thanks for your help (and all the other folks too) with this matter.

You just need to move the UPG folder to the root directory (top level) on the USB thumb drive. The UPG folder should have a single file in it BDP-83.BIN (the firmware upgrade).

The Oppo can't find the firmware if it is buried down a folder or two. It also can't find it if the BDP-83.BIN file iteself is on the root diretory. It looks specifically for a folder called "UPG".

I initially had this problem too, but when I got the folder order correct, the BDP-83 noticed the upgrade folder immediately when I plugged it in and asked me if I wanted to install the new firmware.
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Not sure how the player would limit a 7.1 bitstream to 5.1 since it cannot modify the bitstream in passthru mode , but I'm more concerned about the internal decoding capability. Can someone verify whether it is limited to 5.1 as stated, or can it perform full 7.1 decoding for HDMA and TrueHD?

SACD DSD is only 5.1 channels (Maximum). DTS will be 5.1 channel maximum, due to a lack of DTS-ES decoding, and this may also apply to Dolby Digital EX.

Dolby Digital TrueHD and DTS-HD Master supports up to 7.1 channels over multi-channel analog and HDMI (LPCM).

Check out the Online User's Manual, Page 55 for more information.
post #14981 of 38774
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Originally Posted by powerwindow View Post

From a different forum.. Correspondence from Oppo

Here is their reply (which came really fast):

This will not be the same. The reason for this is that the dedicated stereo analog outputs use a different OP/AMP, DAC, higher-end capacitors and resistors, and a higher output voltage then the multi-channel analog outputs. For stereo audio, we always recommend using the dedicated stereo output when possible.

Sips

Very cool - that certainly validates what I have heard other folks say about differences in AQ between the two. As I alluded, the pathing (Op Amps, res/caps,etc) probably provide as much (?more?) contribution to the sound - than the difference in DAC between stereo and mch.

I may just have to try this configuration. Right now all my output (A/V) is via HDMI. I'll have to crawl around back with some cables
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

Very cool - that certainly validates what I have heard other folks say about differences in AQ between the two. As I alluded, the pathing (Op Amps, res/caps,etc) probably provide as much (?more?) contribution to the sound - than the difference in DAC between stereo and mch.

I may just have to try this configuration. Right now all my output (A/V) is via HDMI. I'll have to crawl around back with some cables

I posted this elsewhere, but it reflects what you're talking about and provided some startling results for me...

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Played around with the dedicated 2 channel analog outs this weekend. I use a 2 channel pre, so Oppo to Luxman TP-114 to Carver TFM45 to speakers. I've read that the 2 channel DAC have a higher output voltage than the MCH DAC/outs. I don't quite understand what that should effect, but I did notice at moderate volume that there's quite a bit more noticable bass (not necessarily volume). At 9:30 on the gain, my drivers and PRs were dancing. I doubt that the volume was more than low 90dbs, maybe not even that. To get that kind of activity with the Oppo 980, I'd be around 11-11:30 and playing in the low 100s. Also, though the 2channel DAC is supposedly the superior choice, I'm not sure if I don't prefer listening to 2channel through the MCH outs...it sounds more balanced. I'll continue to compare, both sound great, it's just that I was surprised and somewhat overwhelmed by the impact of the 2 channel performance. That's usually not a bad thing and I can trim some bass out of the signal with my pre, but the way I had it setup this weekend, I felt their was some masking of the midrange. I'll report back after sampling some different material.

Anyone else do a comparison?
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

I'm afraid you're nowhere near being able to resolve 720p, never mind 1080p, at 13 feet from a 50" TV (http://www.carltonbale.com/2006/11/1080p-does-matter). Blu-ray will look a little better, but not much. At 100+ inches (front projector) from that distance, Blu-ray is very obviously better.

I've seen this viewing chart referred to many times, but have a hard time believing it. I sit ~ 12 ft from a 126" diag (16x9) screen, and according to this chart I would have 'full benefit' of 1440p at this distance; yet a 1080p pic from a good BluRay on my RS20 looks to be nigh perfect. But when do we get 1440p projectors (and sources)?
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I think the increased output is from the analog output stage and not from DAC's. Instead of the the more typical 2v out, it was set to approx. 2.4v.
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I have a lexicon mc-4 processor which sends the side speaker information in parallel to the rears (matrix). The lexicon only has a 5.1 analog input. I currently own the Oppo Bdp-83 player (has 5.1 and 7.1 analog outputs) and am hooking up the player to my lexicon via multichannel analog outputs. Should I set the internal speaker settings in the oppo to 5.1 or 7.1?
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Originally Posted by KingofKaty View Post

...The UPG folder should have a single file in it BDP-83.BIN (the firmware upgrade)....

This latest Beta firmware has three files within the UPG folder.
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Thread Starter 
But the hacked firmware only upgrades the MAIN firmware. It does not need the other files in the UPG directory.
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Originally Posted by ahuey View Post

i have a lexicon mc-4 processor which sends the side speaker information in parallel to the rears (matrix). The lexicon only has a 5.1 analog input. I currently own the oppo bdp-83 player (has 5.1 and 7.1 analog outputs) and am hooking up the player to my lexicon via multichannel analog outputs. Should i set the internal speaker settings in the oppo to 5.1 or 7.1?

5.1
post #14989 of 38774
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Originally Posted by arkangel_3 View Post

Still no joy in Mudville...I did that the first time and tried again. Looks like I might have to go the burn disc route. It IS a bit frustrating though...

Thanks for your help (and all the other folks too) with this matter.

Some have reported problems with USBs formatted on Macs. If you have access to a PC try formatting the USB on the PC and see if it makes a difference.
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Thanks Dave
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

I've seen this viewing chart referred to many times, but have a hard time believing it. I sit ~ 12 ft from a 126" diag (16x9) screen, and according to this chart I would have 'full benefit' of 1440p at this distance; yet a 1080p pic from a good BluRay on my RS20 looks to be nigh perfect. But when do we get 1440p projectors (and sources)?

It's based on the angular resolution of people with 20/20 vision, so your mileage may vary, but it's a pretty good guide. I don't think you're sitting too close for 1080p and you wouldn't gain much with 1440p. Better to sit a bit too close than too far, Personally I think that once you get to 1080p, resolution is the least important thing to improve further. I'd rather have better contrast, colour, frame rate, etc.
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I just received my BDP-83 on Friday and have spent a little bit of time with it.

So far, overall I am very happy with it.

However, I was watching Iron Man last night and noticed a slight lip sync error. The video seemed to be a little behind the audio. (or maybe it was the other way around, anyway......it was off) I was running it at 1080p/24. So, I set the 24 to off, and this cleared the problem right up. No lip sync error at all.

Anyone here notice this? Sorry if this has already been covered, but I didn't see too much info on it yet. (Other than with the problems with setting it up via analog.) I have everything hooked up via HDMI.

Not sure if this matters.....but my display is a Pioneer Pro 151, my receiver is Denon 4306. My receiver is set up for video pass through, so no processing.
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I'm noticing some lip sync problems with my BD-83. Has this been reported - or seen - from anyone else?

It seems to occur mostly in the special features section on a disc - vs. the movie itself -although I've seen it a bit on movies too. Is this fixable within the unit (menu), or is fixable within the pre/pro/receiver (assuming it has this feature)?
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

But the hacked firmware only upgrades the MAIN firmware. It does not need the other files in the UPG directory.

What he said.

That is also the way you roll back the firmware versions. Whatever is in the UPG folder gets uploaded.

I've chosen to remain with the 4.3 version of the firmware. Even though I have the Oppo set to automatically notify me of firmware upgrades, I don't get notice of the 6.01 version being available - I guess because this is a Beta release.

I loaded the 3rd party firmware just to try it out (it works as advertised) and then I went back to the original Oppo version. I have 2 folders on the thumb drive each with a BDP-83.BIN file in it. I just rename whichever folder I want to use to "UPG", then plug it into the Oppo.
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Originally Posted by rajivarora View Post

SACD trim level finding
I know the learned ones on this forum have said, as have Oppo to me via email, that there is absolutely no audio processing on SACD when set to DSD. This is very likely true for speaker size and speaker distance settings, but I can confirm that the channel trim settings do work, not just with the PCM setting as one would expect, but also with the DSD setting. I am not attempting to argue or refute anyone, but just to report my empirical findings. I can hear it, I can hear the levels change as I change the trim settings. In DSD.

I have been in communication with Oppo on my finding above. Based on some experiments they suggested I try, they've isolated it as a problem relating to HDMI handshaking with my projector, Sony VPL-HW10. In some cases, as quoted below, the BDP-83 reverts to LPCM when the user has requested DSD only. In my setup, I use HDMI for video only to the projector, and the MCH audio outputs to my pre/pro. I set HDMI Audio to Off to indicate that.

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We use the BDP-83 with several projector setups, and only one of them produces a situation where the player reverts to PCM for DSD.

As stated previously, we are working with our engineers to resolve issues related to the BDP-83 reverting to LPCM when the user has requested DSD only, but there is no solution available at this time.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
2629B Terminal Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94043
Service@oppodigital.com
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119

Oppo have indicated they're looking into it, but seem reluctant to log it as a bug. To me, the user's setting of HDMI Audio to Off should render any audio handshaking over HDMI moot, but Oppo does not agree. I'm not too hung up on that, but if anyone else can confirm this problem on their setup, please let Oppo know.

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This is not considered a bug. The reason for this is that a DSD signal over HDMI can potentially ruin a piece of receiving equipment if this receiving equipment can't take a DSD signal or properly disengage audio circuits when it receives this signal. For this reason, to prevent the possibility of downstream damage, the player will automatically switch to LPCM.

We are talking with our engineers over better ways of handling the handshakes to ensure that the player is always outputting DSD over analog when selected, but we do not have a solution available at this time.

One nifty trick I learned from them was a definitive way to tell if you were truly getting DSD decoding at the analog output. If you think you've got DSD enabled, double check with this to make sure. Press the VOL- button. If the volume becomes attenuated the more you press the button, then the player is reverting to PCM. If the volume remains constant and then at one point becomes completely silent, then the player is outputting DSD natively.

For now, for my setup, the only way I can get DSD natively is to unplug the HDMI to the projector. I haven't checked to see if I can also achieve this with the HDMI connected and the projector Off - not sure how much handshaking goes on when projector is "Off".
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I finally sent my BD of Madagascar 2 to oppo. They think it's the disc so I sent it to them so they can confirm what's the issue. Hopefully it's somthing that can be resolved with a firmware fix or bad disc. I tried two different BD and I had the same issue.
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

5.1

agreed
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is the 83 HDMI1.3 A or B?
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Thread Starter 
1.3a
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Originally Posted by SirDucky View Post

However, I was watching Iron Man last night and noticed a slight lip sync error. The video seemed to be a little behind the audio. (or maybe it was the other way around, anyway......it was off) I was running it at 1080p/24. So, I set the 24 to off, and this cleared the problem right up. No lip sync error at all.

I know in my setup if I enable 24Hz or use Source Direct with a 24Hz source, I must use a 60~90ms Delay. When I let the BDP-83 do all video processing, I do not have to use a Delay at all.
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