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post #15541 of 38774
6/29/09 at 7:29am
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To play these flacs in fact all my flacs I am using a fanless HTPC with Foobar and all the music on a server. I find it to long to burn a dvd.

Sure but I was referring to FLACs that were delivered already on DVD.
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post #15542 of 38774
6/29/09 at 7:35am
What does the OPPO do with 5.1 soundtracks when 7.1 is chosen in the OPPO's menu? Does it apply EX decoding, leave at 5.1...? Also, when DPLII is turned on, does it use the 7.1 channels for stereo sources or limited to 5.1?

I browsed through the manual but may have skipped over this part. Thanks.
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post #15543 of 38774
6/29/09 at 7:56am
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Originally Posted by Bachelor View Post

What does the OPPO do with 5.1 soundtracks when 7.1 is chosen in the OPPO's menu? Does it apply EX decoding, leave at 5.1...? Also, when DPLII is turned on, does it use the 7.1 channels for stereo sources or limited to 5.1?

I browsed through the manual but may have skipped over this part. Thanks.

it copies the surround side channels to the side back channels, as a lot of us here prefer...for DTS or DTS-MA. for DD or TrueHD tracks, you just hear nothing from the back speakers...which SUCKS. and no, it does not decode DTS-ES or DD-EX.
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post #15544 of 38774
6/29/09 at 7:58am
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Originally Posted by shinksma View Post

Jinx!

shinksma

i stand corrected. Microsoft sucks as$
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post #15545 of 38774
6/29/09 at 8:03am
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Originally Posted by GotHDTV? View Post

Okay, this is probably not a fair statement as Technology is always changing (and it seems that way with BD), but is the BDP-83 obsolete before General Release?

If you looked at the front page of AVS, there is an article about Managed Copy BD feature and that no current BD player will be able to use this new feature.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1157488

That kind of sucks for a player that is billed as doing everything (or almost everything).


BTW, I'm still enjoying my BDP-83 and we all know of others ways to have our own personal "Managed Copy."

GotHDTV,

Managed copy only applies to making copy of blu-ray movies. Here is a little excerpt in laymen's terms.

"We've got good news and bad news. Soon you'll be able copy your Blu-ray discs. Only once though and that's not the bad news.

Oh no, the bad news is that under the recently-approved AACS license that includes Managed Copy, the studio can charge you to do this. And it will require new hardware when it hits the market in 2010.

The process will work something like this: Somewhere within the menu of a Blu-ray disc, there will be an option to make a copy. The system will then hook-up with the main server to ensure that the disc hadn't already been used for this purpose. If it's given the go ahead, either a DRM-locked down WMV or a Blu-ray disc image will be made. The disc's serial number will then be recorded in some master database to ensure that the evil consumer will never be able to backup that Blu-ray disc ever again.

Don't even think your current Blu-ray player supports this. Nope, you will need new hardware. Also since Managed Copy isn't a specific requirement for Blu-ray, it will be up to manufacturers to include it within their players.

The only thing this ludicrous plan will do is spur more piracy. That's it."

This was taken from the website: http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/12...-never-use-it/

For me this is not a must have feature.


Respectfully,
Willie
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post #15546 of 38774
6/29/09 at 8:07am
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Originally Posted by muad'dib View Post

Very coool indeed...

I would REALY like to see NTFS support instead of Fat32... as I have a Usb hard drive Cradle that all my hard drives are in NTFS..

Agree, I would pay another 100$ to Oppo for NTFS support
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post #15547 of 38774
6/29/09 at 8:10am
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Isn't CANCEL one of the options in the dialog box?

Yeah it is but it doesn't indicate that the firmware version on the stick is already installed. It says something like main firmware found would you like to install it. This implies that it found something new.
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post #15548 of 38774
6/29/09 at 8:20am
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Originally Posted by MikeAlletto View Post

Yeah it is but it doesn't indicate that the firmware version on the stick is already installed. It says something like main firmware found would you like to install it. This implies that it found something new.

Well, this is slicing the salami pretty thin. It does show the version # of the firmware found on the stick, but not of that already installed. So adding that might be a nice feature.

Sometimes people want to reload the existing firmware so this has to be allowed.

Even if that is not what you intended it is quick and does no harm.

Adding more dialog boxed gets us into the realm of "Are you sure?" then "Are you really sure?" which I would rather not have.

-Bill
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post #15549 of 38774
6/29/09 at 8:47am
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post


Managed copy only applies to making copy of blu-ray movies.

For me this is not a must have feature.

For me, that was one of biggest thing in the HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray battle. It's good to see Blu-Ray is finally doing all the things that HD-DVD did. Managed Copy (along with the Digital copy that alot of BD are providing) is great thing to have. Like I said there is a way to have your own "managed copy", but it would be best if was not gray area (like my Hauppauge or other people using Slysoft).
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post #15550 of 38774
6/29/09 at 9:15am
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Sure but I was referring to FLACs that were delivered already on DVD.

There is a USB port can it read flac from that port? Even better can it read it from that port on USB Hard drive?
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post #15551 of 38774
6/29/09 at 9:17am
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Originally Posted by a1sy View Post

Agree, I would pay another 100$ to Oppo for NTFS support

For network access, player based solution are typically really slow. Pioneer try that with their "Home Media Gallery" feature it was too slow to be usable.
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post #15552 of 38774
6/29/09 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by MikeAlletto View Post

Yeah it is but it doesn't indicate that the firmware version on the stick is already installed. It says something like main firmware found would you like to install it. This implies that it found something new.

Did someone sneak into your house and losd something "NEW" onto your flash drive? It is on there, and it is attempting an installation because you are initiating it. If you do not wish for the firmware to attempt to download, then you should remove it from the drive.
Maybe use the CD or ethernet methods to load firmware if you don't like how the USB method works.
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post #15553 of 38774
6/29/09 at 9:30am
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Originally Posted by Tolstoi View Post

There is a USB port can it read flac from that port? Even better can it read it from that port on USB Hard drive?

The BDP-83 does not support FLAC.
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post #15554 of 38774
6/29/09 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by Tolstoi View Post

There is a USB port can it read flac from that port? Even better can it read it from that port on USB Hard drive?

Not that I know of.
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post #15555 of 38774
6/29/09 at 10:01am
Just in case some of you were wondering about the old MR Hack Firmware w/the latest Oppo Beta, some info from across the pond:

http://www.avforums.com/forums/9824775-post709.html
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post #15556 of 38774
6/29/09 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by dtrell View Post

it copies the surround side channels to the side back channels, as a lot of us here prefer...for DTS or DTS-MA. for DD or TrueHD tracks, you just hear nothing from the back speakers...which SUCKS. and no, it does not decode DTS-ES or DD-EX.

What SUCKS is that the player duplicates the surround channels of a 5.1 soundtrack into the rear surround outputs, thus preventing the AVR/processor from having the option to apply alternative processing such as PLIIx, Logic7, etc, or the option to do nothing--hearing the 5.1 in it's original perspective as created. I realize this is a DTS requirement--not Oppo's invention, but Pioneer, for one, is dropping this silly idea due to all the consternation it causes. I really hope Oppo does the same--or at least gives us an on/off switch so we can opt out of this nonsense.

ETA: I'm assuming this duplication trick happens on both the analog and HDMI PCM outputs. If it only happens on the analog outputs, it is less of a problem. I'll get my player in a few days so I'll be able to confirm.
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post #15557 of 38774
6/29/09 at 10:18am
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Originally Posted by a1sy View Post

Agree, I would pay another 100$ to Oppo for NTFS support

For me, they'd have to pay me to accept the NTFS support. I see it as an incredibly poor excuse for a file system. There are lots of others to choose from (that aren't proprietary to M$) that I would welcome, though.
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post #15558 of 38774
6/29/09 at 10:32am
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

What SUCKS is that the player duplicates the surround channels of a 5.1 soundtrack into the rear surround outputs, thus preventing the AVR/processor from having the option to apply alternative processing such as PLIIx, Logic7, etc, or the option to do nothing--hearing the 5.1 in it's original perspective as created. I realize this is a DTS requirement--not Oppo's invention, but Pioneer, for one, is dropping this silly idea due to all the consternation it causes. I really hope Oppo does the same--or at least gives us an on/off switch so we can opt out of this nonsense.

ETA: I'm assuming this duplication trick happens on both the analog and HDMI PCM outputs. If it only happens on the analog outputs, it is less of a problem. I'll get my player in a few days so I'll be able to confirm.

You are incorrect. None of the in-player speaker settings apply to anything but analog outs. Even so, simply setting it to 5.1 output eliminates the issue.
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post #15559 of 38774
6/29/09 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

You are incorrect. None of the in-player speaker settings apply to anything but analog outs. Even so, simply setting it to 5.1 output eliminates the issue.

+1...what he said
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post #15560 of 38774
6/29/09 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by Tolstoi View Post

For network access, player based solution are typically really slow. Pioneer try that with their "Home Media Gallery" feature it was too slow to be usable.

When I learned that the BDP-83 doesn't support NTFS, I decided to get a WD TV HD Media Player for under $90 on sale at Newegg (sale is over now ).

Not the fanciest or most elegant solution around, but from a price/perfrormance standpoint, it works great for me. 1.5TB worth of media files is now at my fingertips. Not bad.

Here are the formats and codecs it supports (full specs here):
  • Video: MPEG 1/2/4, WMV9, AVI (MPEG4, Xvid, AVC), H.264, MKV, MOV (MPEG4, H.264)
  • Image: JPEG, GIF, TIF/TIFF, BMP, PNG
  • Audio: MP3, WMA, OGG, WAV/PCM/LPCM, AAC, FLAC, Dolby Digital, AIF/AIFF, MKA
P.S. It's also hackable to add features like networking, cover art, modified menus, etc.
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post #15561 of 38774
6/29/09 at 11:18am
Question regarding using external hard drives. One just has to format either of these to Fat32 and then be good to go for saving BDLIVE files???
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1202648989560

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1185271084002

Thanks for the help.
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post #15562 of 38774
6/29/09 at 11:25am
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Originally Posted by sjhu77 View Post

Question regarding using external hard drives. One just has to format either of these to Fat32 and then be good to go for saving BDLIVE files???
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1202648989560

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1185271084002

Thanks for the help.

(1) One of those is USB-powered, which OPPO does not recommend. People have reported they work, but others have said you might burn out your USB port.

(2) The OPPO manual recommends against using a hard drive for BD-LIve persistent storage.

-Bill
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post #15563 of 38774
6/29/09 at 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

You are incorrect. None of the in-player speaker settings apply to anything but analog outs. Even so, simply setting it to 5.1 output eliminates the issue.

But with a 7.1 soundtrack, that marked as 5.1 in the OPPO menu, what will you get??

5.1 or 7.1?

So, is the issue Roger is fretting upon with DTS only applicable to the analog outs or HDMI LPCM?
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post #15564 of 38774
6/29/09 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by MikeAlletto View Post

Yeah it is but it doesn't indicate that the firmware version on the stick is already installed. It says something like main firmware found would you like to install it. This implies that it found something new.

No it doesn't. Do some more research to find out why it's behaving as it does. Hint: you can reload previous versions.
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post #15565 of 38774
6/29/09 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by dtrell View Post

it copies the surround side channels to the side back channels, as a lot of us here prefer...for DTS or DTS-MA. for DD or TrueHD tracks, you just hear nothing from the back speakers...which SUCKS. and no, it does not decode DTS-ES or DD-EX.

Thanks for the response. I assume then the DPLII switched to on will apply for CDs, SACDs and DVD-Audio as well as dvd when playing back in stereo? I should use the dedicated stereo out jacks anyways when listening to stereo. (better dacs)
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post #15566 of 38774
6/29/09 at 1:11pm
I also wouldn't apply Dolby PLII to force the surround sound...not a very good implementation, although PLIIx is very nice. Does your AVR not have PLIIx?
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post #15567 of 38774
6/29/09 at 1:27pm
I use my BDP083 with a VP50Pro. I was interested in what I was reading about the 24p conversion for DVDs. Does this option still operate if you have the 83 set at Source Direct? Thank you.
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post #15568 of 38774
6/29/09 at 1:35pm
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Originally Posted by DennyH View Post

Try here: http://cirlinca.com/community.htm

Now how you gonna add a link to a site that doesn't include AVS Forum under the category of "Useful Forums?"

Other than that, it does look like a pretty nice site.
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post #15569 of 38774
6/29/09 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by Jim Hef View Post

I also wouldn't apply Dolby PLII to force the surround sound...not a very good implementation, although PLIIx is very nice. Does your AVR not have PLIIx?

I would be using the analog outs and not have the option to apply processing with my B&K Ref 50. I'm thinking mainly special features that may be in Stereo would be played back in PLII via the Oppo instead of stereo. If I was to watch a 2channel movie I would bitstream the audio and let the B&K process the sound.

I guess my question is, does the PLII setting effect CD and SACD content?
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post #15570 of 38774
6/29/09 at 1:37pm
This might be a good point to remind one and all that the FAQ and the online user manual will answer the questions being discussed today.
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