Official OPPO BDP-83 Owner's Thread [technical talk only] - Page 574

its more than possible...its one of the requested items from oppo and its a very simple firmware change...its just a matter of them implementing it (split bitrate meters)

This is precisely the case with the Norah Jones disk.
The 2 CH mix is definitely superior to the Multi-CH mix.

I want to replace my Oppo 980H with a BDP-83. Any downsides for not having a 980H? DVD upscaling, SACD and multi region are important to me.

I have both in my rack now.
No downsides that I can see.
I really like the 83 ethernet connection for FW updates.
The user interface is also nicer on the 83.

Mike

Steve and I have a similar setup, and both are connected via HDMI to the Denons. I have never had the "rice krispies" effect, while his still persists. It's got to be difficult for Oppo to get to the root of the problem when similar setups have different results.

I agree completely. Unless it was remastered from quality master tapes, the original version will almost always be better. While that is true for most older material, recent vintage should be expected to be produced with equal quality - mch vs. 2ch.

I just prefer to listen to some types of music in 2ch, regardless of whether or not the production quality is similar to that of mch.

Hmmmm... good to know about the 4308. I was/am considering that as an upgrade to my 2807, which cannot decode the new audio codecs and has some additional features. Currently, I am sending everything over to the 2807, decoded in the -83, as PCM. I have no issues other than with SACD's.

There were no SACD (or other) issues with my Oppo 981, using the same AVR. So, I'm concluding, based on that experience and what Oppo acknowledges as "still work to do on SACD performance with the -83" that my 2807 is not causing the problem. It could be a contributor, however. But, I feel that Oppo will figure out what is causing these problems with certain players, regardless of connection methodology or, where the bits are decoded. Until then I will just live with the minor inconvenience and annoyance.


It's pretty evenly split, as far as I can tell, between those with NO problems, those with minor problems and those with serious problems. Each firmware release move more and more folks into the "no problem" category.



Thanks Richard. All of us that are experiencing the problem are hoping that happens soon, too!

way da go!
it took me a few years to get back to the point where i could just relax and enjoy the movies and music my ht/music systems put out.
afore that, i spent way too much time obsessing about this not being just right, that's off a little, yada, yada, yada...

now i just fire up the pj and watch a movie or play a cd, tape, LP, whatever,
and ENJOY IT! (even if something isn't quite perfect).

The BDP-83 is not multi-region unless you run hacked firmware.

-Bill

I just purchased an Oppo blu ray player to replace a Panasonic 35k. I have a Pioneer 6010 plasma. The Pioneer displayed that the the Panasonic was indeed playing at 1080p/24. The Pioneer now only displays that the Oppo is playing at 1080p.

Did I set the Oppo up correctly? I think so, because the same settings on my Sony XBR6 indicate that the Oppo is playing at 1080p/24.

My question is: I've set the Oppo to source direct and have 24fps set on. Is this just a Pioneer display glitch, or is my Oppo not properly displaying 24fps on my Pioneer Plasma.

Source direct mode is only intended for use with an external video processor. Set your player to 1080p.

That's right I'm going to return my B-Day gift from myself. I'm jumping ship. , Two weeks ago I bought the 83 only for the processing of SD DVD's. I came across this guy who was/is selling his HT gear. He needs the cash anyway I picked up a V.P. (EDGE) from him for $350 to replace my VP30 that I sold not too long ago. I have not even used the 83 yet, two weeks left for a full return. Someone can get more use out of it than I will. I'm using the BD55 and I'm happy with it.

Steve

Or install the hardware mod.

I also have my Oppo feeding a Pioneer 6010. With your previous setup, I suspect that it was a Panasonic 35K "display window" that was showing you were at 1080p/24, and not the Pioneer itself showing that info....

Unless you're hooked up to the PC Input on the 6010, you can't directly tell it's displaying 1080p/24. If you're outputting 1080p/24 from the Oppo into one of the 6010's HDMI inputs, it will only show 1080p when you hit Display on the Pioneer remote (toggling on the Input window on the screen's upper left). Here's the "indirect" way to tell if the 6010 is receiving 1080p/24:

On the Pioneer remote, navigate to the Pure Cimema Film Mode menu. Here's the path of selections on your remote:
Home Menu --> Picture --> Pro Adjust --> Pure Cinema --> Film Mode

If your 6010 is receiving 1080p/60, the Standard, Smooth, and Advanced options will be grayed out. If it's receiving 1080p/24, those options will be available.

Check out the Pioneer 8G Kuro Settings/Issues thread and search on 1080p/24:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858851

You'll see lots of questions and discussions about this, including which one of the Pure Cinema Film Modes is actually the best for displaying 1080p/24 (and even whether Advanced works as advertised to show 1080p/24 at a 72Hz refresh rate).

Are you confused yet?

Does the 6010's DISPLAY function work the same as the 9G Kuros? If so, it only shows the resolution of the incoming signal without frame or refresh rate. (Unless you change HDMI Input Mode to PC.) So if you use Source Direct, you'd just see "1080p" with blu-rays and "480i" with DVDs.

BTW, your Oppo is a better upscaler than your Pioneer plasma, so setting all output to 1080p will yield better results than Source Direct. If you choose 24p for DVDs, you'll engage inverse telecine and output DVDs at 1080p/24....not necessarily a good idea.
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EDIT to swlee's prior post: That's a pretty roundabout way to check the input signal. It's much easier to just use the display function in the Oppo itself. If the Oppo is outputting it, you can rest assured the Pioneer is receiving it.

Not sure of the purpose of this. You have posted the same thing in 3 threads.

We get it-you are returning the Oppo. Good luck

Is it possible he may be confusing the HDMI Deep Color option - on the 6010 when you hit the "Aspect" button it will show you what the TV is accepting from the source (I happen to leave mine on 36 bit just 'cuz).

I know, I know, I know 3 or even 4 threads.... Some times when you find a good deal and it works out you just have to tell some body.....

Not trying to offend anyone just feeling good that's all

Steve

That seems unlikely, since the bit depth is specifically identified with the word "bit." I think it's most likely, as swlee suggested, that the OP had been mistaking the Panny's on-screen info display for the Pioneer's in his previous setup.

ASPECT shows you bit depth?? Are you sure you don't mean DISPLAY?

Jim, did you ever use analog for SACD? Rice Crispies with that?

You send back your HiRes discs too?

I'm connected via analog (dedicated stereo) to a Denon 3807, and I've not heard anything but music.

I'd like to be able to switch between bitstreaming and PCM out of the Oppo to my Pioneer SC-05. Only issue is, I have a projector and am hesitant to turn it on just for this. Is it possible to accomplish this using just the front panel of the BDP-83?

There aren't any discrete remote codes to change that, so you do have to go into the menu system, which is meant to be displayed on-screen.

Emboldened by Steve's listening session the other night with the Norah Jones "Come Away With Me" SACD, I determined to see if I have the Rice Krispies effect going on in my -83 too.

I listened to nearly the entire disc, save one or two songs, and didn't hear any of the unpleasant sound effects that Steve and others have reported. For the record, I have my -83 connected to my Onkyo 805 via both HDMI and the dedicated L/R outputs.

I did quite a bit of A/B-ing between the HDMI and Stereo outputs while playing the SACD Stereo layer of the disc to determine which one I liked better. (I've only ever listened to the Multichannel layer previous to this experiment, and while at first I missed the spaciousness of the surround mix, particularly on "Nightingale," I appreciated the increased presence of the vocals and instruments on the Stereo layer.) The HDMI connection sounded very good as usual, but was noticeably a bit thin compared to the same songs heard through the L/R outputs. This was somewhat to be expected after following this thread for as long as I have, but still a bit of a surprise. Guess that ol' analog still has some life in it.

As I listened though, I became aware of a new issue. On "Don't Know Why" in particular, a buzzing/distortion sound somewhat obscures Ms. Jones' voice. It occurs on all of her sustained notes, but is most pronounced between the 1:50-2:00 mark on the track. I heard a bit of it on the "Seven Years" track immediately following, but then it goes away and isn't heard again (IIRC) the rest of the disc.

So, here's what I did to troubleshoot the source of the problem.

The buzzing on "Don't Know Why" occurs on both the SACD Stereo layer and the CD layer when heard through the L/R outputs. The buzzing is much diminished (but still slightly present) when playing the CD, SACD Stereo, and SACD Multichannel layers through the HDMI output, regardless of whether the player is outputting DSD or PCM. (I attribute this to the improved ability of the Cirrus CS4398 DAC to resolve Ms. Jones' voice over the CS4382A or the Burr-Brown DAC in the Onkyo.) The fact that the buzzing is heard regardless of CD/SACD layer rules out it being an "SACD-only" problem, IMO.

I swapped the L/R interconnects with another pair from a different brand. No effect.

I connected the interconnects to another input on the Onkyo. No effect.

I disconnected my LCR speakers and selected "All Channel Stereo" on the Onkyo to hear the same mix through my rear speakers. Buzzing is still there.

Wondering if it was a disc-related issue, I played it through my six-year-old Sony DVD/CD carousel player without SACD playback ability. No buzzing - clear as a bell.

So, I think I've pretty well isolated the problem to the -83. Is there anything else I should try? I wanted to check here first before reporting the issue to OPPO.

I wish there was a way to do that, but no.
My suggestion to OPPO would be to modify the firmware to allow a shortcut for this function.
Something like hold down the AUDIO button for 5 seconds and it switches from bitstream to PCM and vice versa.
Maybe even possible to flash what it has changed to across the front of the player.

Better yet, add a bunch of discrete codes. At least to the serial protocol, if not IR.

That wouldn't be very fair to all the IR remote users .

Well, true. But serial command sets are virtually always more extensive than their IR counterparts. I presume this is because serial control tends to be thought of as a "custom installation" option, where lots of discrete codes are needed for all those fancy macros.

Oh, and BTW, we did pay extra for that serial port! That didn't seem too fair either......

I'll drop off the player on Monday... What HiRes disc's are you refering to.? (the Calibration disc)?