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post #18361 of 39282
A few months ago I read a beta user's review of the BD-83 wherein he talked about the ability to decode audio files stored on a USB device. He said that .WAV was a supported format.

I've since discovered that there is no support for lossless codecs through the USB interface.

I think its a bit ironic that a player with a reputation for superior audio playback within its price range does not support lossless compression. I'm having a very difficult time considering the prospect of dithering my .WAV and Flac encoded audio files by converting them to mp3. I was hoping that I would be able to replay hi-rez HDtracks downloads through the BD-83.

Does anyone know the reason for Oppo's decision to not support lossless codecs via the USB interface?
post #18362 of 39282
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Originally Posted by ButchP View Post

A few months ago I read a beta user's review of the BD-83 wherein he talked about the ability to decode audio files stored on a USB device. He said that .WAV was a supported format.

I'm pretty sure you misread that.

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Does anyone know the reason for Oppo's decision to not support lossless codecs via the USB interface?

Ask them. It could still be coming, although I'm sure they won't promise.

-Bill
post #18363 of 39282
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Originally Posted by ButchP View Post

Does anyone know the reason for Oppo's decision to not support lossless codecs via the USB interface?

An excellent question to ask Oppo directly. I don't know that any final decision has been made regarding FLAC, but it's safe to say that wav will never be supported due to it being considered support for piracy. FLAC is more or less in the same category.

There is one way around this limitation, and that's to create a DVD-Video or MPG file with PCM audio and a still image or even black screen. Simple to do, and 2-ch PCM up to 24/96 is supported by the format.

I'd also be interested in seeing a link to any statement by a beta group member who claims support for wav format.
post #18364 of 39282
I have been looking for a new player only for the UK for some time now since some discs are region coded which means rentals from Fox/Optimum and a few others don't play and i considered the Panasonic BD-80 but the freezing issues have put me right off that player and because they are inconsistent freezes there is no guarantee of a fix anytime soon or indeed ever so i have switched my attention to this player. ( Your loss Panasonic and i'm sure there are others doing the same as me due to that issue )

I can pick up the Oppo multiregion for DVD and Blu Ray which is great and i can sell my Playstation this Xmas since i don't play games on it. I have just a few questions.

Will the image quality from this player be at least as good as the Playstation 3 if not better and i note there are settings which enable you to change many aspects of image quality from contrast to hue to detail levels. Does it come preset at the optimum levels for a calibrated display or do i need to actually change these settings and can i play movie trailers from Apple on this player ?
post #18365 of 39282
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Originally Posted by ButchP View Post

A few months ago I read a beta user's review of the BD-83 wherein he talked about the ability to decode audio files stored on a USB device. He said that .WAV was a supported format.

I've since discovered that there is no support for lossless codecs through the USB interface.

I think its a bit ironic that a player with a reputation for superior audio playback within its price range does not support lossless compression. I'm having a very difficult time considering the prospect of dithering my .WAV and Flac encoded audio files by converting them to mp3. I was hoping that I would be able to replay hi-rez HDtracks downloads through the BD-83.

Does anyone know the reason for Oppo's decision to not support lossless codecs via the USB interface?

A firmware upgrade to support FLAC has been requested several times. I suspect we may get that at some point in the future but I doubt it is an immediate priority for Oppo. I think the first priorities are, and should be, to get all of the out-of-the-box features working 100% before tackling anything new.

I have no idea why Oppo selected particular formats beyond picking the most widely used ones. You would have to ask them. They are usually pretty forthcoming.
post #18366 of 39282
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Originally Posted by ButchP View Post

A few months ago I read a beta user's review of the BD-83 wherein he talked about the ability to decode audio files stored on a USB device. He said that .WAV was a supported format.

I don't know which review you were reading, but it's been well documented that WAV files have never been supported by the BDP-83 or any other OPPO player - my review even says as much ("Whether dealing with files on a CD-R or DVD-R or with files on a USB device ("thumb drive" or external hard drive), the BDP-83 can handle a number of popular audio file formats. The list of files is very similar to what we've seen from previous OPPO players, with MP3 and WMA available but lossless formats like FLAC and basic WAV missing.")

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Originally Posted by ButchP View Post

I've since discovered that there is no support for lossless codecs through the USB interface.

I think its a bit ironic that a player with a reputation for superior audio playback within its price range does not support lossless compression. I'm having a very difficult time considering the prospect of dithering my .WAV and Flac encoded audio files by converting them to mp3. I was hoping that I would be able to replay hi-rez HDtracks downloads through the BD-83.

Does anyone know the reason for Oppo's decision to not support lossless codecs via the USB interface?

Here's what my understanding of the situation is, although you could also talk directly to OPPO about it. OPPO Digital has been pushing their chipset vendor to include support for lossless audio for at least a couple of years now, but the vendor must do the programming to add the support at the chip. OPPO can't do it externally to the chip, so all they can do is push for it and wait to see if it happens.
post #18367 of 39282
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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder View Post

Will the image quality from this player be at least as good as the Playstation 3 if not better and i note there are settings which enable you to change many aspects of image quality from contrast to hue to detail levels. Does it come preset at the optimum levels for a calibrated display or do i need to actually change these settings and can i play movie trailers from Apple on this player ?

Yes, image quality should match or be better than the PS3 for both BD and DVD.

Yes, the default video settings are generally the recommended values. The recommendation is to calibrate your system using the controls on the TV, and then only adjust at the player if you can't get where you need to be with the TV's controls.

As far as I know, Quicktime video files (which is presumably the format used for the Apple movie trailers you mention) are not supported.
post #18368 of 39282
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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder View Post

Will the image quality from this player be at least as good as the Playstation 3 if not better

See the FAQ sections:

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and i note there are settings which enable you to change many aspects of image quality from contrast to hue to detail levels. Does it come preset at the optimum levels for a calibrated display or do i need to actually change these settings and can i play movie trailers from Apple on this player ?

See the online manual for the picture controls. The FAQ also has a Calibration section.

-Bill
post #18369 of 39282
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Originally Posted by gonk View Post


As far as I know, Quicktime video files (which is presumably the format used for the Apple movie trailers you mention) are not supported.

I haven't kept up but I thought that Apple was using H.264 for a lot of trailers.
post #18370 of 39282
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

I haven't kept up but I thought that Apple was using H.264 for a lot of trailers.

Depends on the particular flavor of QuickTime used. Assuming there's no copy restriction on the file, they can easily be converted to supported MPEG-4 formats with no loss of quality. The audio codecs are usually supported too. It's just the ".mov" file type that's not supported.
post #18371 of 39282
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

The info on Blu-ray disc compatibility and firmware updates? It's in the FAQ now: Why does the player need firmware updates before it will play certain Blu-ray discs?

-Bill

Thanx for keeping the FAQ up to date. It would be even more helpful if people like me would read it before posting.
post #18372 of 39282
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

See the FAQ sections:



See the online manual for the picture controls. The FAQ also has a Calibration section.

-Bill

Thanks.

Question regarding plugs which i don't think is in your FAQ.

There is only one place selling this multiregion in the UK and they sell it with a standard kettle type plug. You can see it here if you scroll down the page.

http://www.crtprojectors.co.uk/cables.htm

Will the type of plug affect image or sound quality on this player ?

I know all the stories about cables and the claims made for higher quality cables and that most are pure marketing BS but what type of plug actually comes with the American edition of this player as the one i would get is going to have a bog standard kettle plug fitted and i am concerned this might alter some aspects of the performance and would like my fears either put to rest or confirmed.

Incidentally i cannot believe i am going to pay double what you guys pay for the American edition even if it is going to be multiregion!!!!
post #18373 of 39282
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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder View Post

Thanks.

Question regarding plugs which i don't think is in your FAQ.

There is only one place selling this multiregion in the UK and they sell it with a standard kettle type plug. You can see it here if you scroll down the page.

http://www.crtprojectors.co.uk/cables.htm

Will the type of plug affect image or sound quality on this player ?

I know all the stories about cables and the claims made for higher quality cables and that most are pure marketing BS but what type of plug actually comes with the American edition of this player as the one i would get is going to have a bog standard kettle plug fitted and i am concerned this might alter some aspects of the performance and would like my fears either put to rest or confirmed.

Incidentally i cannot believe i am going to pay double what you guys pay for the American edition even if it is going to be multiregion!!!!

Hi.
For what it's worth anyway it is actually the official cable (the one you get with the player) just with a UK plug fitted.
Here's the quote from Henry.

"cable: Rather than replacing the high performance heavy gauge US cable (14AWG / 2 x 2.0mm conductor), we will be fitting UK mains plugs. While this is time consuming, we feel the included high performance mains cable is better than replacing it with a regular mains cable"
post #18374 of 39282
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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder View Post

Thanks.

Question regarding plugs which i don't think is in your FAQ.

There is only one place selling this multiregion in the UK and they sell it with a standard kettle type plug. You can see it here if you scroll down the page.

http://www.crtprojectors.co.uk/cables.htm

Will the type of plug affect image or sound quality on this player ?

Absolutely NOT!!!!!!!!!!

Don't fall into the trap of hype over power cords, HDMI cables or OPT cables.
post #18375 of 39282
I have my Oppo83'>RCA connected with BJCABLES> XLR to a proamp> to speakers.

Plays just fine....
db


Originally Posted by Talk2Me
My new BAT 52SE has only XLRs. Anybody interested in my BD-83?
post #18376 of 39282
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Originally Posted by kingfats View Post

Hi.
For what it's worth anyway it is actually the official cable (the one you get with the player) just with a UK plug fitted.
Here's the quote from Henry.

"cable: Rather than replacing the high performance heavy gauge US cable (14AWG / 2 x 2.0mm conductor), we will be fitting UK mains plugs. While this is time consuming, we feel the included high performance mains cable is better than replacing it with a regular mains cable"

Thats good to know. Thanks for the reply.
post #18377 of 39282
As of now what's the best price on this unit? The lowest I see is $499. with FS.
post #18378 of 39282
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Originally Posted by jappleboy View Post

I just sent back my Denon 2010 blu-ray player . Why i had the Denon 2500bci and like it alot but you could not get firmware updates very fast. So i paid $699 for the 2010. It seems slow on start ups and i tried some DVD and it had layer problems. So i got my money back and i have the OPPO-83 coming Thursday. It may not look as nice with my Denon 5308 but i did pocket $200. Hope this is the right move. Anyone else use The denon and came over to the OPPO-83.

I was loyal to Denon's universal players for years, as long as they were at the top tier of video quality on the DVD Benchmark at hometheaterhifi. This was my experience with Denon:

DVD-2200: had the laser replaced by factory service; it cost as much as the player.
DVD-2900: wonderful player, never had a problem, but component video only.
DVD-5900: had to exchange, as first unit would not reliably recognize discs.
DVD-3930: liked this so much, I bought two. One was fine but the other eventually had intermittent disc recognition problems. None of the various cleaning discs had any effect whatsoever. I was ready to order a laser assembly on eBay and install it myself when I decided to take the machine apart and first try cleaning the laser by hand. It worked! But what a pain.

By this time I had an Oppo 983 and my love affair with Denon was over. The Oppo was smaller, lighter, quieter, cheaper, ran cooler, used less electricity, and performed as well if not better with all disc formats.

When I finally gave up on HD-DVD and decided to bite the Blu-ray bullet, I determined that I would wait for the Oppo 83. I am extremely pleased with my decision and have since sold all of my Denon equipment. I think Denon has priced itself right out of the market with their new top-end universal player and processor -- there is no correlation between price and performance. For me, Denon is dead. Long live Oppo!
post #18379 of 39282
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Originally Posted by Arcticat View Post

As of now what's the best price on this unit? The lowest I see is $499. with FS.

That's the price.
post #18380 of 39282
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Originally Posted by Arcticat View Post

As of now what's the best price on this unit? The lowest I see is $499. with FS.

That's the only price. Oppo's are sold only direct from Oppo or through a handful of dealers. All charge the same price. The only differences would be in whether you pay shipping and/or taxes.
post #18381 of 39282
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

See the FAQ sections:


-Bill

Thanks so much for all the help, Bill!

Your Q&A with Oppo on the disk compatibility issues was copied to a topic on the hidef forum . Folks are juimping on it like a pack of dogs on a meat wagon.
Seriously, it is now a sticky on that forum...giving you the credit.
post #18382 of 39282
Is the Region-free Kit hard to assemble? I know the manual, so I only have to remove the old cable from two points and add the new cable on three points?

http://www.crtprojectors.co.uk/pdf/R...Doc%20V4.0.pdf

Are there any hidden difficulties? I want to order the player tomorrow, but I'm not sure if I should chose the modified model oder the basic model with the DIY kit. It's 25 Pounds / 30 Euro I can save.
post #18383 of 39282
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Originally Posted by Franconian View Post

Is the Region-free Kit hard to assemble? I know the manual, so I only have to remove the old cable from two points and add the new cable on three points?

http://www.crtprojectors.co.uk/pdf/R...Doc%20V4.0.pdf

Are there any hidden difficulties? I want to order the player tomorrow, but I'm not sure if I should chose the modified model oder the basic model with the DIY kit. It's 25 Pounds / 30 Euro I can save.

Of course up to you but it might be best posting here and asking.
post #18384 of 39282
Is there any way of making a wireless USB device work with the oppo so the player sees a network as a large USB drive?

something like this

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
post #18385 of 39282
Can someone offer a bit of guidance on the LFE using analog inputs

from the FAQ:
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"DVD-Audio/HD DVD/Blu-ray's bass is too quiet"
No. They're mixed exactly the same way as Dolby Digital or DTS on DVD-Video. The LFE track is recorded 10dB low. People are only noticing a problem because they've switched from a DD/DTS bitstream link which works to a multichannel interconnect lacking the necessary 10dB-15dB boost. If they had been listening to DD or DTS decoded in the player through the multichannel interconnect they'd have seen the same problem. And the problem is that their receiver isn't boosting its SW/LFE input sufficiently.

It is not really an option for the player to boost its analogue SW output, as it would be in danger of overloading a receiver's input circuitry when a maximum volume LFE signal appeared - feeding a 6 volt signal into a nominally 2 volt input. You might get away with it if the amplifier was purely doing an analogue passthrough, but it would overload any receiver with multichannel ADCs.

And similarly the player absolutely cannot boost its digital LFE output. There's no headroom to do this.



I have my B&K -15bd for the sub and the Oppo +10db (speakers size - Small) and when I run a test pattern - I can get all my speaker levels on analog to equal that of optical, except for the sub I am 5-6 dbs off (the analog is -2 and the optical is +2). I don't have any more room in the B&K to go lower, and the oppo can't go higher.

Here is my question:

If turn the volume up on my sub - I can get the db level to where I want. However, If I watch TV - or a movie using optical in -- the Sub level will be too high.

Am I missing something? Or should I set my speakers to Large? I wanted to pass all the heavy lifting to my SVS.

Thanks
post #18386 of 39282
Thread Starter 
Release date: August 5, 2009
Category: Experimental Release
Main Version: BDP83-36-0805
Loader Version: BE2403 85752403
Sub Version: MCU83-23-0513

Release Notes:

1. Blu-ray Disc compatibility improvement, especially for certain titles such as "Dollhouse Season 1", "12 Rounds" and "The Haunting in Connecticut".

2. Additional "Deep Color" options utilizing dithering. If the display does not support 36-bit deep color, dithering 36-bit to 30-bit or 24-bit may produce an image that is visually smoother than rounding 36-bit to 30- or 24-bit.

3. Improved precision for color space conversion.

4. Improved up-conversion for MKV files that have a picture size smaller than 1280x720 with 24fps frame rate.

5. Improvement for DVD navigation.

6. Fix for the issue of not being able to reset factory default settings introduced in the 34-0722 beta firmware.

7. Fix for the PAL DVD picture quality issue introduced in the 34-0722 beta firmware. The issue looks like a de-interlacing error but is caused by the decoder chip, not the de-interlacer.

8. New pop-up user interface for audio and subtitle selection.

9. Improved GOTO function for music file playback. The GOTO function now allows the user to jump to a certain time point within a music file.

10. Other general disc compatibility and performance improvements.
post #18387 of 39282
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Originally Posted by emailists View Post

Is there any way of making a wireless USB device work with the oppo so the player sees a network as a large USB drive?

something like this

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

I haven't heard that anyone has ever done it. You will be the first!

If you can make the player think the network-as-large-usb-drive is a FA16 or FAT32 volume, it could conceivably work. You're entirely on your own in figuring it out, though.

-Bill
post #18388 of 39282
Is this Experimental Release considered to be more stable or less stable than a Beta Release?

Richard
post #18389 of 39282
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Originally Posted by rabrown View Post

Is this Experimental Release considered to be more stable or less stable than a Beta Release?

Richard

Less Stable. It states in so in the release notes.
post #18390 of 39282
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

8. New pop-up user interface for audio and subtitle selection.

This is very cool and something we had requested. Now instead of getting stuck in a large audio or subtitle cycle, you just arrow up and down or dismiss the dialog.

Something like SERENITY (BR) has 48 subtitle tracks. Missing the one you wanted is Hell with the old interface.

We've requested a popup for ZOOM, too, but don't know if/when that will happen.

-Bill
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