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post #19921 of 38737
8/23/09 at 5:46am
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Originally Posted by Franconian View Post

Kind of a silly question: Yesterday I watched a DVD with some .avi Files. Is there a button to go directly to the movie browser (I mean not the main menu with music, movies, settings), while watching? I only found out to skip to the next title (or go back).

See the FAQ: How do I return to the browser in the same folder when playing a video file?

-Bill
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post #19922 of 38737
8/23/09 at 6:01am
Last night I was trying to watch X-Men 3 and the BR would get to what looks like the menu, but I could not see any options (play, settings, language, etc). Any button I tried from the remote or the front panel of the player would only show the red this function is not available icon in the upper left hand corner. Has anyone one seen this problem?

I'm running the June 26 firmware version and BD live is set to off.
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post #19923 of 38737
8/23/09 at 6:20am
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Originally Posted by CharlieU View Post

The sad thing is that when I received my player with the EAP 2 software, SACD was a thing of beauty with either DSD or PCM over HDMI. The popping started with the follow-on software updates.

And, in other bizarre related news... initially, my EAP2 unit (and initial FW) was horrible for SACD play! Almost every disc had rice krispies and Diana Krall's TLOL was virtually unlistenable. Ironically, "Cry Me a River" was the worst track!

SACD playback quality improved considerably with the July FW release and remained at that level with the August push. The r/k's are very intermittent and usually only heard in the quietest of passages.
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post #19924 of 38737
8/23/09 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

The r/k's are very intermittent and usually only heard in the quietest of passages.

When they'll perhaps be the most annoying, especially with classical music.
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post #19925 of 38737
8/23/09 at 8:47am
Not that huge of a deal, but when watching the new simpsons seasons on dvd, the player doesn't let me select any subtitle options, they all are displayed when you hit the subtitle button, but you can't pick any of them. I don't need them really anyways, but I just thought I'd throw it out there so that oppo knows about it for a possible fix in a new firmware down the road.

BTW i'm running the latest experimental firmware.
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post #19926 of 38737
8/23/09 at 9:00am
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Originally Posted by CharlieU View Post

The sad thing is that when I received my player with the EAP 2 software, SACD was a thing of beauty with either DSD or PCM over HDMI. The popping started with the follow-on software updates.

The happy thing is that this suggests the problem is caused by software and is therefore fixable when Oppo can pin it down.
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post #19927 of 38737
8/23/09 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by Paul.R.S View Post

Ironically, I just got my Philharmonia Orchestra / Zander / Telarc Mahler 3 SA-CD this past week and, vinyl nostalgia aside, I certainly do not want to listen to it with any "rice krispies" other than those Gustav orchestrated.

The dynamic range on that SACD is huge--if the volume is set so you won't go deaf during the louder parts, the posthorn solo is very soft indeed. This isn't a criticism, just an observation. And the overall sonics are much better than Chailly's SACD, which has atmosphere but not much localization of individual instruments. It's like hearing that orchestra 3/4 of the way back in the Concertgebouw.

While you're Telarc-shopping, check out Zander's Mahler 1 and 5. These are superb performances that rank with the best on record, IMO. His Mahler 2 should be out soon (but not on SACD, word has it).
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post #19928 of 38737
8/23/09 at 9:06am
I experienced some strange happenings with the recently released Torchwood disk. Some say it is vibration. I could hear that, but what also sounded like the disk spinning faster right after the picture froze.
Most of the problems were near the beginning of the disk and the very end. Once it played ok, there was periodic 'stuttering' for about the first 20 min.
Maybe a suspect disk. I am writing Oppo today to log it in.
Unfortunate, in an otherwise good looking transfer.
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post #19929 of 38737
8/23/09 at 9:08am
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Originally Posted by Makaveli Tha Don View Post

Not that huge of a deal, but when watching the new simpsons seasons on dvd, the player doesn't let me select any subtitle options, they all are displayed when you hit the subtitle button, but you can't pick any of them. I don't need them really anyways, but I just thought I'd throw it out there so that oppo knows about it for a possible fix in a new firmware down the road.

BTW i'm running the latest experimental firmware.

You mean you can't arrow up and down and select the one you want? With the latest firmware the Subtitle and Audio controls are now popup boxes like Resolution.

We requested this and hope they will do the same thing for Zoom.

-Bill
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post #19930 of 38737
8/23/09 at 9:14am
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

You mean you can't arrow up and down and select the one you want? With the latest firmware the Subtitle and Audio controls are now popup boxes like Resolution.

We requested this and hope they will do the same thing for Zoom.

-Bill


Yah, all 6 subtitle options do pop up in boxes that you can arrow up and down and select just like the audio does, but the problem is that when you select the one you want and hit enter it doesn't work on any of them
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post #19931 of 38737
8/23/09 at 9:21am
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Originally Posted by Makaveli Tha Don View Post

Yah, all 6 subtitle options do pop up in boxes that you can arrow up and down and select just like the audio does, but the problem is that when you select the one you want and hit enter it doesn't work on any of them

I've run across a few rental discs that wouldn't let me change Audio with the popup menu, but since most do I thought it was probably a disc by disc thing.
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post #19932 of 38737
8/23/09 at 9:22am
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Originally Posted by Makaveli Tha Don View Post

Yah, all 6 subtitle options do pop up in boxes that you can arrow up and down and select just like the audio does, but the problem is that when you select the one you want and hit enter it doesn't work on any of them

I've tested this on many discs and never seen that. You mean you get no subtitles at all or the wrong ones? Does the On Screen Display indicate that a subtitle track has been chosen? You're not zoomed in, are you?

-Bill
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post #19933 of 38737
8/23/09 at 9:24am
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I've tested this on many discs and never seen that. You mean you get no subtitles at all or the wrong ones? Does the On Screen Display indicate that a subtitle track has been chosen? You're not zoomed in, are you? -Bill

If it's like my experience, the popup will show what's currently running but when you focus on another choice and select, nothing happens.
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post #19934 of 38737
8/23/09 at 9:29am
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I've tested this on many discs and never seen that. You mean you get no subtitles at all or the wrong ones? Does the On Screen Display indicate that a subtitle track has been chosen? You're not zoomed in, are you?

-Bill


No, I'm not on zoom. There is 6 subtitle tracks evidently on the disc. When I hit the subtitle button, the bullet on the left of them all says that it is on 6/6.

And then there is "off" and then 5 other ones ranging from english to french and a few other languages. But it won't move away from being set on 6/6. You can move up and down with the arrows and highlight all 6 of them, but then when you hit the enter button to try and change it to one of the other subtitle options it just doesn't do anything, not even on the "off" option. The only one you can hit the enter button on and have it work is the last one 6/6 that it is set on by default, then when you hit the enter button on THAT one the pop up subtitle screen goes away.

I hope that made sense...
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post #19935 of 38737
8/23/09 at 9:29am
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Originally Posted by snowghost View Post

If it's like my experience, the popup will show what's currently running but when you focus on another choice and select, nothing happens.

Yes, exactly this
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post #19936 of 38737
8/23/09 at 9:32am
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Originally Posted by snowghost View Post

If it's like my experience, the popup will show what's currently running but when you focus on another choice and select, nothing happens.

It's been a while since I encountered one, but there are DVDs authored in such a way that audio and subtitle tracks cannot be switched with the remote but require use of the menu.

I'd like to establish whether or not this is an OPPO bug, specifically with the new popup selection method.

-Bill
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post #19937 of 38737
8/23/09 at 9:35am
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Originally Posted by Makaveli Tha Don View Post

No, I'm not on zoom. There is 6 subtitle tracks evidently on the disc. When I hit the subtitle button, the bullet on the left of them all says that it is on 6/6.

And then there is "off" and then 5 other ones ranging from english to french and a few other languages. But it won't move away from being set on 6/6. You can move up and down with the arrows and highlight all 6 of them, but then when you hit the enter button to try and change it to one of the other subtitle options it just doesn't do anything, not even on the "off" option. The only one you can hit the enter button on and have it work is the last one 6/6 that it is set on by default, then when you hit the enter button on THAT one the pop up subtitle screen goes away.

I hope that made sense...

Sort of. Could you write this up and send it to OPPO support?

-Bill
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post #19938 of 38737
8/23/09 at 9:37am
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Originally Posted by Makaveli Tha Don View Post

Yah, all 6 subtitle options do pop up in boxes that you can arrow up and down and select just like the audio does, but the problem is that when you select the one you want and hit enter it doesn't work on any of them

It may be a PUO, and you can only change it in the disc's menu. Don't ask me why they would author a disc this way, but it's been done.
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post #19939 of 38737
8/23/09 at 10:06am
Aw man that's lame. Especially for a fox disc that JUST came out. I mean really Fox, join the rest of us here in the 21st century
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post #19940 of 38737
8/23/09 at 10:32am
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Originally Posted by marconist View Post

This is an old story ..... There is some truth in there. However that has been solved already for years by the (DAC) chipmakers. See the specs of the DAC's used in the Oppo, you find the number in the unofficial Oppo page.

Some simple background information about this you find in a paper from Wadia on digital domain volume control from years ago. Its in the internet.

The problem is non-existing is you use analog, but digitally controlled IC's. But the Oppo (as far as I can see) uses volume control in the digital domain. I see however no problem if somebody wants to control his power amplifiers directly from the Oppo.

True, you can use the Oppo's volume control and go directly to amps if you want. Kal has said, though, that he finds the Oppo's volume control not as transparent sounding as other means. And, Kal, for me is about the most credible reviewer in the business.

In any case, I use HDMI and the volume control in my AVP. That generates by far the best sound in my system. YMMV
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post #19941 of 38737
8/23/09 at 10:36am
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Originally Posted by John_z View Post

No-one that has heard clipping on the 981 and can state that the 83 does/doesn't clip SACD...?

I have never ever heard anything resembling clipping with SACD's either on my 980 or on the BDP-83. And, I own quite a few SACD's. If people are hearing clipping, I expect it's their amps or speakers. They are just playing it too loud.
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post #19942 of 38737
8/23/09 at 10:43am
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Originally Posted by marconist View Post

This is an old story ..... There is some truth in there. However that has been solved already for years by the (DAC) chipmakers. See the specs of the DAC's used in the Oppo, you find the number in the unofficial Oppo page.

Some simple background information about this you find in a paper from Wadia on digital domain volume control from years ago. Its in the internet.

The problem is non-existing is you use analog, but digitally controlled IC's. But the Oppo (as far as I can see) uses volume control in the digital domain. I see however no problem if somebody wants to control his power amplifiers directly from the Oppo.

All true but, still, when I corresponded with Oppo on this in regard to the 980 (same configuration of digital domain VC), they advised against using it, if possible, for the traditional reasons.
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post #19943 of 38737
8/23/09 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by radtek View Post

Fortunately I have no snap crackle or pop, but the thought of repeatable unplugging and replugging the HDMI would worry me. I don't believe the design of the HDMI connector is great to start with and excessive removal and reattaching might cause problems with the connector down the road.

There is, I find, a total, blind overreaction here to the intermittent noise problem with SACD. The issue got blown out of proportion when Neuromancer unfortunately labeled it as "Rice Krispies". That metaphor is a complete distortion of what is actually heard. Even "popping" overstates it. It's occasional, soft and barely noticeable in my system. If it were really that bad, I would switch the BDP-83 and my bedroom 980 until the problem was fixed. It's not even worth the trouble for me to disconnect some HDMI connections in my system for SACD listening. It's just not bad enough for me to take these drastic steps, given the BDP-83's otherwise superior sound quality. And, I will not trade listening via HDMI for listening via analog. That would be a big step down in my system based on comparisons I have done.

Do I want it fixed? You bet. Will it get fixed? Unquestionably, and soon, I hope and trust.
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post #19944 of 38737
8/23/09 at 10:56am
Another review of the BDP83, by HDTVexpert (Peter Putman).
http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages_c/BD...RayPlayer.html
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post #19945 of 38737
8/23/09 at 11:01am
Yah sure enough you can select subtitle options within the dvd navigation menu itself before you start watching an episode and it works, but you can't switch between them or on and off with them during an episode, you have to go back to the main dvd nav menu to do it.



Edit: you CAN switch the audio in the middle of the episodes though...
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post #19946 of 38737
8/23/09 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by fitzcaraldo215 View Post

There is, I find, a total, blind overreaction here to the intermittent noise problem with SACD. The issue got blown out of proportion when Neuromancer unfortunately labeled it as "Rice Krispies". That metaphor is a complete distortion of what is actually heard. Even "popping" overstates it. It's occasional, soft and barely noticeable in my system. If it were really that bad, I would switch the BDP-83 and my bedroom 980 until the problem was fixed. It's not even worth the trouble for me to disconnect some HDMI connections in my system for SACD listening. It's just not bad enough for me to take these drastic steps, given the BDP-83's otherwise superior sound quality. And, I will not trade listening via HDMI for listening via analog. That would be a big step down in my system based on comparisons I have done.

Do I want it fixed? You bet. Will it get fixed? Unquestionably, and soon, I hope and trust.

Blown out of proportion ? I do not think so. The whole point of SACD is high resolution audio - perfection if you will. Any noise be it snap, crackle or pop is TOTALLY unacceptable. I have not bought a player for this reason and I believe the player should have been fixed prior to release but many here are too impatient. As far as I am concerned the Oppo is still a crippled universal player.
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8/23/09 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by apodaca View Post

Blown out of proportion ? I do not think so. The whole point of SACD is high resolution audio - perfection if you will. Any noise be it snap, crackle or pop is TOTALLY unacceptable. I have not bought a player for this reason and I believe the player should have been fixed prior to release but many here are too impatient. As far as I am concerned the Oppo is still a crippled universal player.

Yup, for about 1% of it's users it's crippled. That would be the 3 or 4 people who continually post about it here, making it seem far more common than it is. Believe it or not, some people who don't even own the player will post here complaining about an issue they don't have. Hard to believe, isn't it?
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post #19948 of 38737
8/23/09 at 11:41am
When ejected tray, the tray refused to close with the remote and the button on the player. I had to power off the player before the tray closed. I emailed Oppo and was told to reinstall firmware.
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post #19949 of 38737
8/23/09 at 11:49am
Hello. Please help with info concerning SD-DVD upscaling quality/specs of the BDP-83 in comparison with the DV-983H (which I own). Pretty much the same or does the latter hold an edge?

Son's going to college and taking the PS3, and I figure to buy the new BDP and sell the 983H , but upconversion quality is very important to me. I liked it better than the PS3. Thanks.
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post #19950 of 38737
8/23/09 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

When ejected tray, the tray refused to close with the remote and the button on the player. I had to power off the player before the tray closed. I emailed Oppo and was told to reinstall firmware.

Also make sure you have the latest loader FW revision.
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