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Originally Posted by Fargus777 View Post

Is there a deadline for voting?

March 15, as shown in the first post in this thread.

-Bill
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JohnAV, would it be better to have the voting listed as percentage of respondents so far instead of the way it's expressed now? 100% of the votes are yes, although only 30% have voted. It's now expressed as 30% voting yes with 70% required...sort of a glass half empty look at the results!

Another quick question: In the official pics of the unit on page 1, the front left view shows a -A light...is this DVD-A and photoshopped out for this pic, and will the various disc types light up on the front display as is shown with BD?
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jim Hef View Post

JohnAV, would it be better to have the voting listed as percentage of respondents so far instead of the way it's expressed now? 100% of the votes are yes, although only 30% have voted. It's now expressed as 30% voting yes with 70% required...sort of a glass half empty look at the results!

The important number is 70% being for an increase in the Early Adoption Program. For this reason, a Yes percentage towards the required goal makes sense versus the actual percentage of votes.

Makes quick referencing the chart much easier.

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Another quick question: In the official pics of the unit on page 1, the front left view shows a -A light...is this DVD-A and photoshopped out for this pic, and will the various disc types light up on the front display as is shown with BD?

All content types are shown on the front panel of the player. You can see all the different signal type icons on page 5 of the User's Manual.
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Digital transport freaks take note:

Did you notice at the very bottom....."We will offer 120v 50/60hz and 240v 50/60hz versions customized per the specifications of the customers needs, HD-SDI and Region free coming soon!"?

Also noteworthy for audio buffs: "-built in media player with direct audio transport, put a entire CD collection as uncompress .wav on a 1TB hard drive via USB and get audiophile grade digital transport quality"

They are also touting "source direct DVD-Audio as High frequency LPCM". Interesting, as the machine does not as yet support DVD-A.

They will be charging $999 for the unit.

I'm intrigued.

R
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

The important number is 70% being for an increase in the Early Adoption Program. For this reason, a Yes percentage towards the required goal makes sense versus the actual percentage of votes.

Makes quick referencing the chart much easier.



All content types are shown on the front panel of the player. You can see all the different signal type icons on page 5 of the User's Manual.

From an email I received from Oppo, the extension of the EAP will begin as soon as that 70% supermajority has been reached. Thus, theoretically if the remaining 20 voters voted yes this afternoon, the EAP extension email could go out this afternoon. No pressure...
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

From an email I received from Oppo, the extension of the EAP will begin as soon as that 70% supermajority has been reached. Thus, theoretically if the remaining 20 voters voted yes this afternoon, the EAP extension email could go out this afternoon. No pressure...

I'd be willing to guess Thursday or Friday, at the earliest. I think there is still a few EAPers that just got their player in the last couple days. We could only hope something sooner would happen.
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Originally Posted by yarrumc View Post

I'd be willing to guess Thursday or Friday, at the earliest. I think there is still a few EAPers that just got their player in the last couple days. We could only hope something sooner would happen.

Good news is Oppo more or less said it is definitely happening...
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Originally Posted by robertazimmerman View Post

They are also touting "source direct DVD-Audio as High frequency LPCM". Interesting, as the machine does not as yet support DVD-A.

It does not have it yet, but it is planned for release (ie. When CHT will begin modding the player).
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Neuromancer,

Thank you for adding my specific feature request to the first post.

Much appreciated.

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User Presets. User Presets would allow for multiple changes to the player with a single selection. Saves time adjusting individual sliders to meet specific feature requirements.

I'll keep my fingers crossed.
post #2051 of 38730
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does the S&M disc have test tones?

Sorry, there are no audio tones on this disc. We did not have time in the schedule to assemble tones that we trusted. There is a fair amount of work to get proper tones. For example, should we generate tones with and without dialnorm?
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Originally Posted by robertazimmerman View Post

Did you notice at the very bottom....."We will offer 120v 50/60hz and 240v 50/60hz versions customized per the specifications of the customers needs, HD-SDI and Region free coming soon!"?

Also noteworthy for audio buffs: "-built in media player with direct audio transport, put a entire CD collection as uncompress .wav on a 1TB hard drive via USB and get audiophile grade digital transport quality"

[...]

They will be charging $999 for the unit.

Looks like the Custom Home Theater version of this player may be worth considering. I love my 983, and I would really like a version of the BDP-83 that could replace it in all respects. $999 may be a bit steep, but I assume that JVB will also be getting in on the action as well at some point. Of course, CHT might also offer versions with just some of the different modifications. I've seen that strategy used on the 983 as well, depending on how much you are willing to spend. It will be interesting to see what starts happening after the BDP-83's eventual release.
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

The Spears & Munsil High-Definition Benchmark Blu-ray Edition is the one OPPO uses (and sells)

http://www.amazon.com/Spears-Munsil-..._ptcn_edpp_ttl

I can't give enough praise to this disc guys, never have I seen such a complete and thorough set of test patterns that actually work

SS is to be congratulated

-Gary
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I have just read Gary's review and noticed that one of the components he uses in his home theatre setup is DVDO iscan vp50pro, which is, to my knowledge, the best video processor out there.

He greatly praises BDP-83 but I was wondering something: Leaving the capabilities of BDP-83 due to being a player aside, would not all the video&audio qualities Gary point out in his review are the result of the vp50 pro? Correct me if I am wrong but would not the better video processing of vp50 pro bypass/outperform/or whatever the video processing of BDP-83? If so, would not the combination of vp50 pro and an ordinary blu-ray player (which can send high-rez sound formats via bitstream) perform the same with the combination of vp5-pro and BDP-83? Please bear in mind that, as I pointed out above, potential player's capabilities related to how it plays, for instance, load times et cetera are not considered in regard of my evaluation.
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Originally Posted by MG428 View Post

I have just read Gary's review and noticed that one of the components he uses in his home theatre setup is DVDO iscan vp50pro, which is, to my knowledge, the best video processor out there.

He greatly praises BDP-83 but I was wondering something: Leaving the capabilities of BDP-83 due to being a player aside, would not all the video&audio qualities Gary point out in his review are the result of the vp50 pro? Correct me if I am wrong but would not the better video processing of vp50 pro bypass/outperform/or whatever the video processing of BDP-83? If so, would not the combination of vp50 pro and an ordinary blu-ray player (which can send high-rez sound formats via bitstream) perform the same with the combination of vp5-pro and BDP-83? Please bear in mind that, as I pointed out above, potential player's capabilities related to how it plays, for instance, load times et cetera are not considered in regard of my evaluation.

the foundation for the PQ is the digital transporting of the Oppo to the scaler, if you read all my past BD player reviews on the HTF they were used the same way and there are differences in the PQ, a ordinary player and the VP50pro would under no circumstance equal the same as the Oppo + vp50pro

the decoder in the Oppo is simply the best, no doubt about it, along with the setup capability Oppo offers colorspace wise and source direct options you get a perfect image

-Gary
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Originally Posted by Gary Murrell View Post

the foundation for the PQ is the digital transporting of the Oppo to the scaler, if you read all my past BD player reviews on the HTF they were used the same way and there are differences in the PQ, a ordinary player and the VP50pro would under no circumstance equal the same as the Oppo + vp50pro

the decoder in the Oppo is simply the best, no doubt about it, along with the setup capability Oppo offers colorspace wise and source direct options you get a perfect image

-Gary

Thank you Gary for sharing your first hand experience.
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Thank you Gary for sharing your first hand experience.

your welcome, no problem at all

-Gary
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I'm a little puzzled why DVD directory structures on USB devices are not supported, when you consider that by its very nature the BDP-83's ability to decode ifo/vob data is top notch via dvd disc. Is this a USB limitation? Or are there other issues I am missing? In the possible/future/maybe/hopeful implementation of ethernet streaming, would this directory structure limitation still persist?

I would love to play my backup copies of movies over USB or ethernet directly, without secondary conversions to other file formats. Would you consider adding this directory structure support to the "Features Request" list?
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Originally Posted by elementBike View Post

I'm a little puzzled why DVD directory structures on USB devices are not supported, when you consider that by its very nature the BDP-83's ability to decode iso/vob data is top notch via dvd disc. Is this a USB limitation? Or are there other issues I am missing? In the possible/future/maybe/hopeful implementation of ethernet streaming, would this directory structure limitation still persist?

I would love to play my backup copies of movies over USB or ethernet directly, without secondary conversions to other file formats. Would you consider adding this directory structure support to the "Features Request" list?

ISO files on data disc are not supported either.

-Bill
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Sorry...typo... I met ifo not iso.
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Originally Posted by elementBike View Post

Sorry...typo... I met ifo not iso.

No .ifo support either.

-Bill
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Well... in a way they are. How else would the OPPO play menus, chapters, special features, etc. on a DVD?
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Thread Starter 
No. As the player does not support BUP/IFO or DVD-Video file structuring, there is no support for Menus, chapters/titles, or other DVD-Video intractability if you are not playing back a physical, properly authored DVD-Video. You can accesses and playback standard VOB files only.

The reason why OPPO does not support ISO, BUP/IFO, or DVD-Video file structures is that such support is a direct calling card of "piracy". You may have legitimately backed up your DVDs onto a digital storage device (ie. External HDD) but OPPO does not want to be legally responsible if a copy holder is upset over this functionality.
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Originally Posted by elementBike View Post

Well... in a way they are. How else would the OPPO play menus, chapters, special features, etc. on a DVD?

Weren't you talking about USB devices?

-Bill
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

The reason why OPPO does not support ISO, BUP/IFO, or DVD-Video file structures is that such support is a direct calling card of "piracy". You may have legitimately backed up your DVDs onto a digital storage device (ie. External HDD) but OPPO does not want to be legally responsible if a copy holder is upset over this functionality.

I wonder if this is because of OPPO's size (i.e. they would be an easier target). The built-in DVD player on Macs is perfectly capable (without hacking) of playing DVD Video file structures from HD or other mounted devices, and there are plenty of commercial (non-pirate) programs that allow backing up DVDs in this fashion.

Playing these files is not something I would need the BDP-83 for, as there are other players that can do this. It just seems strange that not supporting this is because it's a piracy "calling card," and not because there are other things that need to be supported first.
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

The simple truth is that the Oppo is the best upscaling DVD player money can buy. There will always be people who report they can't see the difference. Just as there are always people who can't hear differences in different audio streams, etc, etc. And there are always people who don't have their monitors correctly calibrated too, and will never see all the fine detail and smooth color and grey gradients that the ABT2010 delivers. Lets not even get into all the different player setup errors that people can make. The BDP-83 is equal or better than the Oppo 983 for DVD scaling and de-interlacing. My personal opinion is that it is better, less mosquito noise.

Yes, but how does the new BDP-83 compare to the ASI fully modified 983?

Have you ever listened to this unit? Most of my non audiophile friends think they're watching BluRay discs. Of course I tell them they are watching state of the art DVD.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dcbii View Post

I wonder if this is because of OPPO's size (i.e. they would be an easier target). The built-in DVD player on Macs is perfectly capable (without hacking) of playing DVD Video file structures from HD or other mounted devices, and there are plenty of commercial (non-pirate) programs that allow backing up DVDs in this fashion.

Yes, but your PC/MAC/Unix computer is not a closed box. Anything that OPPO implements into their BDP-83 is a direct reflection of the OPPO Digital. If they feel that a feature would land them in hot water with their licensor (see: Region Restrictions, etc) they will not enable the function.

A computer has been designed with user specified and created functionality.
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Previously I thought the Oppo site stated the 983 was being replaced with the BDP83. However, the 983 now shows up as being available.

With the EAP "Yes" votes now at 32%, have the plans for the replacement changed??
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Originally Posted by tnds View Post

Previously I thought the Oppo site stated the 983 was being replaced with the BDP83. However, the 983 now shows up as being available.

With the EAP "Yes" votes now at 32%, have the plans for the replacement changed??

Just noticed the same thing on the OPPO site.

Strange!
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Originally Posted by elementBike View Post

I'm a little puzzled why DVD directory structures on USB devices are not supported, when you consider that by its very nature the BDP-83's ability to decode ifo/vob data is top notch via dvd disc. Is this a USB limitation? Or are there other issues I am missing? In the possible/future/maybe/hopeful implementation of ethernet streaming, would this directory structure limitation still persist?

I would love to play my backup copies of movies over USB or ethernet directly, without secondary conversions to other file formats. Would you consider adding this directory structure support to the "Features Request" list?

It's fairly simple actually, just re-rip your DVDs with 4GB VOB file size. Even as they are, the player will still play back the VOB files in sequence.
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