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post #28531 of 38733
2/4/10 at 3:06pm
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Originally Posted by Paul.R.S View Post

There's gotta be a joke in here somewhere: pressing Stop at the main menu of (Oliver Stone's) W. BD brings up the red circle with a slash and no disc stoppage. Java drama? Stayed on 0925 as I have not had any other BD issues. Will report to Mother.

I'm confused.. why is it an issue that the player doesn't do anything when you press STOP while in the menu? Its not playing content in the main menu, so what would STOP be expected to do exactly?

In these software driven media types.. its the publisher, in this case whoever wrote the BD software, to determine what happens when you press STOP. They obviously thought "there is nothing to stop".
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post #28532 of 38733
2/4/10 at 4:32pm
I am wondering if OPPO BDP-83 blu-ray player would represent any improvement over the Onkyo TX-NR905 receiver as far as 1.) decoding high res audio, or 2.) upconversion of video to 1080P. Any information on experiences with these two would be appreciated.
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post #28533 of 38733
2/4/10 at 4:34pm
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Originally Posted by Rufoosio View Post

I have an Oppo BDP83 connected to an Optoma projector via HDMI to DVI connector. The audio is 7.1 analog to a Sunfire Ultimate II receiver.
My problem is: the player won't play if the power on the projector is off!
That includes SACDs! If I have the power on, put in an SACD it plays, then power off the projector then the disc stops and will only play 2-3 seconds and then stop again.
I noticed today that I put in a Bluray (9) and it got an "unrecognized disc" error, because the display was off. I had to power off/on the Oppo and turn on the projector to get it to play.
Can anyone help me out?

btw I love this player, replaced a Denon, wow

additional info: updated fw to latest version, still happens
when I unplug the hdmi cable it works... not ideal solution

Just a thought, have you tried checking whether HDMI CEC is On under Device Setup and try turing it off? I run my Oppo through an HDMI switch (Octava) that would also solve this issue as well as the DSD/PCM one that Techlord mentioned.

Regards,

Mark
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post #28534 of 38733
2/4/10 at 5:53pm
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Originally Posted by RRichardson View Post

I am wondering if OPPO BDP-83 blu-ray player would represent any improvement over the Onkyo TX-NR905 receiver as far as 1.) decoding high res audio, or 2.) upconversion of video to 1080P. Any information on experiences with these two would be appreciated.

I've only bitstreamed from my BDP-83 to my Onkyo TX-NR905 using HDMI so can't answer your 1st question. I don't use the 905 for any upconversion due to color space issues. Also using the 905 to upconvert can add delay or HDMI connection issues between your components. By my eyes I see upconverting of the 83 is superior to the 905 so there is definitely a benefit there. I never saw much improvement in picture quality using the 905 to upconvert anything, dvds or non-hd directv programming. Although it uses the Reon for upconverting it didn't perform as I would have expected. (Use of the Reon in the Toshiba HD-XA2 did perform as expected, close to the 83). Since having the 83 I don't use the HD-XA2 near as much as I used to.
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post #28535 of 38733
2/4/10 at 5:56pm
thank you mark-sf I will check that to confirm, but I think it was off.
my other instinct is to change the cable to a hdmi-hdmi and add a dvi adapter, just to see what happens...
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post #28536 of 38733
2/4/10 at 6:33pm
Hello,

what does the HDMI CEC do?

Thanks!
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post #28537 of 38733
2/4/10 at 6:35pm
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Originally Posted by SeeD View Post

Hello,

what does the HDMI CEC do?

Thanks!

From what I understand it generally causes problems. But the intent has to do with auto powering components.
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post #28538 of 38733
2/4/10 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by SeeD View Post

Hello,

what does the HDMI CEC do?

Thanks!

It's a basic remote control protocol built into the HDMI spec. (Many manufacturers use their own name for it, such as Aquos Link, Kuro Link, Regzam etc.) The idea is that components communicate basic commands (power, input selection, transport controls, etc) amongst one another. When it works right, you might, for example, turn on your BD player and your receiver and display both fire up on the right inputs, all ready to go. But it seldom works right. Any low-end universal remote offers better control, IMO.
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post #28539 of 38733
2/4/10 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by SeeD View Post

Hello,

what does the HDMI CEC do?

Thanks!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-De...ronics_Control

-Bill
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post #28540 of 38733
2/4/10 at 7:04pm
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Originally Posted by Rufoosio View Post

thank you mark-sf I will check that to confirm, but I think it was off.
my other instinct is to change the cable to a hdmi-hdmi and add a dvi adapter, just to see what happens...

If you go the DVI Adapter route make sure that your projector's DVI input supports HDCP (our friendly gatekeeper).

Regards,

Mark
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post #28541 of 38733
2/4/10 at 8:16pm
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Originally Posted by Rufoosio View Post

I have an Oppo BDP83 connected to an Optoma projector via HDMI to DVI connector. The audio is 7.1 analog to a Sunfire Ultimate II receiver.
My problem is: the player won't play if the power on the projector is off!
That includes SACDs! If I have the power on, put in an SACD it plays, then power off the projector then the disc stops and will only play 2-3 seconds and then stop again.
I noticed today that I put in a Bluray (9) and it got an "unrecognized disc" error, because the display was off. I had to power off/on the Oppo and turn on the projector to get it to play.
Can anyone help me out?

btw I love this player, replaced a Denon, wow

additional info: updated fw to latest version, still happens
when I unplug the hdmi cable it works... not ideal solution

I too, use a DVI-HDMI cable to my pj, with no problem. You might check to see that HDMI audio is set to "off".

Dave
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post #28542 of 38733
2/5/10 at 1:16am
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Originally Posted by hdeliter View Post

I wonder if OPPO BDP worth it or there are better companies to get it from like Samsung for example... I'm thinking about getting one soon
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I wouldn't touch a Samsung BD player for free, the firmware updates are far and between with little support when the hardware starts acting up! I like and own their LCDs tough!

Regards,
Techlord.
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post #28543 of 38733
2/5/10 at 4:12am
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Originally Posted by hdeliter View Post

I wonder if OPPO BDP worth it or there are better companies to get it from like Samsung for example... I'm thinking about getting one soon

What player features or company attributes are you looking for?

-Bill
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post #28544 of 38733
2/5/10 at 4:43am
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Originally Posted by shyguy3763 View Post

I recently purchased an 83 and was wondering what to set color space to: 4:4:2 or 4:4:4?,I have a 111 pioneer plasma,at the moment I am using auto because I'm not sure Some friends are giving me different answers.

I'm using 4:4:4 and 36-bit color. Oppo -83 to Denon AVR-4308ci to Pioneer Elite PRO111-FD using HDMI.
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post #28545 of 38733
2/5/10 at 5:24am
I recently tried updating FW with Jan release. I used USB as before with all files present in upg folder. Followed everything step by step. Did the factory reset and reset my custom settings. Then checked FW and I find that the loader sw is stuck at BE2600 when the suppport page says it should be BE2650. During upgrade process it never asks me for updating loader FW. Loads main FW then asks for updating MCU FW. I tried a few things Oppo suggested (like deleting all the files from the UPG folder except the loader ones and then it reponds with no valid fw to update). I'm going to try CD method tonight. (No ethernet at TV). Oppo suggests I may have to send the unit in for manual FW update?

What is the loader FW? What is causing this inabilty to upload loader FW? Is it a hardware failiure? What problems might I see with wrong loader FW?
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post #28546 of 38733
2/5/10 at 5:37am
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Originally Posted by glangford View Post

What is the loader FW?

It handles disc access.

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What is causing this inabilty to upload loader FW? Is it a hardware failiure?

I've never heard of that problem before, so couldn't say.

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What problems might I see with wrong loader FW?

Specifically, I don't know. Best to get this resolved, though.

-Bill
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post #28547 of 38733
2/5/10 at 5:43am
Hmm disc access.

First time after the FW update I watched terminator salvation on DVD. The player hiccuped a bit and seemed to have some trouble navigating the plethora of previews they now put on DVDs. I was finally able to get ahead of that to the movie and watch the movie, but even then it seemed to freeze a bit during movie intro. Finally it settle down and the movie played just fine.

Another movie that night played fine and after that when i loaded and tried terminator salvation again it worked just fine. I had written this weird behavoir off as a slightly out of round disc (or center hole?) as terminator salvation had a slight ticking coming from the disc when playing.

Weird. I guess I'll be sending it in. I'll try the CD method tonight, I just burned the iso image to CD so I'll try that first. I don't have ethenet at the TV, but if I'm pulling it out to send back I can put it in the office and hook it to a small tv and hook up to ethernet and try fw update that way as well.

Bummer...
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post #28548 of 38733
2/5/10 at 5:59am
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Originally Posted by SeeD View Post

Hello,

what does the HDMI CEC do?

Thanks!

In my setup when I power on the Oppo, (with HDMI CEC setting On), my receiver switches to the Oppo input automatically.
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post #28549 of 38733
2/5/10 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by glangford View Post

Hmm disc access.

First time after the FW update I watched terminator salvation on DVD. The player hiccuped a bit and seemed to have some trouble navigating the plethora of previews they now put on DVDs. I was finally able to get ahead of that to the movie and watch the movie, but even then it seemed to freeze a bit during movie intro. Finally it settle down and the movie played just fine.

Another movie that night played fine and after that when i loaded and tried terminator salvation again it worked just fine. I had written this weird behavoir off as a slightly out of round disc (or center hole?) as terminator salvation had a slight ticking coming from the disc when playing.

Weird. I guess I'll be sending it in. I'll try the CD method tonight, I just burned the iso image to CD so I'll try that first. I don't have ethenet at the TV, but if I'm pulling it out to send back I can put it in the office and hook it to a small tv and hook up to ethernet and try fw update that way as well.

Bummer...

By the way: what firmware numbers is your machine showing?

-Bill
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post #28550 of 38733
2/5/10 at 10:26am
Here's the scenario. I recently bought the BDP80 and I'm using the Onkyo SR605 AVR. I do not really want to buy another AVR but if I go with the 83 instead, would there really be much improvement with sound since I'm using a rather low budget AVR?

Your thoughts are appreciated. If so, it is cheaper than having to buy a new AVR!
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post #28551 of 38733
2/5/10 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by robertc88 View Post

Here's the scenario. I recently bought the BDP80 and I'm using the Onkyo SR605 AVR. I do not really want to buy another AVR but if I go with the 83 instead, would there really be much improvement with sound since I'm using a rather low budget AVR?

Your thoughts are appreciated. If so, it is cheaper than having to buy a new AVR!

I good, fully-equipped AVR is a better long-term purchase. (Since you're talking analog audio, I'm assuming your current AVR can't do HDMI or cannot handle the newer codes.) And....not to put too fine a point on it, but if you have been using a "low budget" AVR, either of the Oppos would likely sound better.
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post #28552 of 38733
2/5/10 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by robertc88 View Post

Here's the scenario. I recently bought the BDP80 and I'm using the Onkyo SR605 AVR. I do not really want to buy another AVR but if I go with the 83 instead, would there really be much improvement with sound since I'm using a rather low budget AVR?

Your thoughts are appreciated. If so, it is cheaper than having to buy a new AVR!

I can't see what would be wrong with the 605/-80 combo... should be very sufficient with everything.
Was there a specific feature you were inquiring about?... or what makes you think that the audio quality is insufficient with your current setup?
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post #28553 of 38733
2/5/10 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by Tenkan View Post

I'm using 4:4:4 and 36-bit color. Oppo -83 to Denon AVR-4308ci to Pioneer Elite PRO111-FD using HDMI.

See... this is why I get confused,my calibrator (D-nice) says to set it to 4:2:2,
can someone provide a more in-depth explanation???
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post #28554 of 38733
2/5/10 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by shyguy3763 View Post

See... this is why I get confused,my calibrator (D-nice) says to set it to 4:2:2,
can someone provide a more in-depth explanation???

If you can't see a difference, then it really doesn't matter. If you paid for professional calibration then I would go with his settings and recommendations.

Blu-ray (and DVD) video are recorded using YCbCr 4:2:0. This has only 1/4 the color resolution of the black-and-white image. It must be chroma upsampled to 4:2:2 or 4:4:4, and then converted to RGB before it can be displayed. These manipulations happen in the player, in some intermediate box, in the display, or some combination of all.

There is quite a bit about color spaces in the FAQ, with many links to further reading.

-Bill
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post #28555 of 38733
2/5/10 at 11:35am
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

I can't see what would be wrong with the 605/-80 combo... should be very sufficient with everything.
Was there a specific feature you were inquiring about?... or what makes you think that the audio quality is insufficient with your current setup?

The audio from the 83 is what some folks are considering in their decision process versus the 80. I don't know what the actual listening difference would be for movies, SACDs and DVD-A unless I physically tried both. Maybe a wash considering my AVR but I really don't think so.

As far as the AVR? Well from what I've been told, the SR605 is easily beaten with products that include MultiEQ and Dynamic Volume and they don't cost all that much to tell the truth (ie Denon AVR790 or 1910. They still cost more than $200 though).

Maybe someone in NJ can make this easier on me to try the 83!
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post #28556 of 38733
2/5/10 at 12:18pm
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Originally Posted by robertc88 View Post

The audio from the 83 is what some folks are considering in their decision process versus the 80. I don't know what the actual listening difference would be for movies, SACDs and DVD-A unless I physically tried both. Maybe a wash considering my AVR but I really don't think so.

As far as the AVR? Well from what I've been told, the SR605 is easily beaten with products that include MultiEQ and Dynamic Volume and they don't cost all that much to tell the truth (ie Denon AVR790 or 1910. They still cost more than $200 though).

Maybe someone in NJ can make this easier on me to try the 83!

Seems like you may be overthinking it a bit.
Sure, you can get better sound... ALWAYS... just how much are you willing to spend?
With enough money, you can accomplish almost anything within reason.
By the products you have chosen to purchase (TX-SR605, BDP-80), you seem to need to operate within a budget like most people.
For that budget class, the 605/-80 combo will work VERY well, and will produce sound that is above average for the average American household so to speak.

Rather than spend hundreds of dollars on other gear in an attempt to slightly better your hardware setup, maybe try looking in an area that may yield better overall results for better audio quality.
I refer mainly to room treatments.
The average AVS enthusiast is usually ill-equiped in this area, yet it's one of the most important features for sound quality in a listening environment.
Acoustical panels, bass traps, sound diffusion, and general sound absorption... look into it.
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post #28557 of 38733
2/5/10 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by robertc88 View Post

The audio from the 83 is what some folks are considering in their decision process versus the 80. I don't know what the actual listening difference would be for movies, SACDs and DVD-A unless I physically tried both. Maybe a wash considering my AVR but I really don't think so.

Just to clarify, that decision process (in terms of audio quality) is all about the players' relative analog performance. I just looked up your receiver and saw that it is in fact HDMI-compatible and does handle the lossless codecs.

If you are going to use HDMI, there's no player difference in audio quality between the Oppos; it's entirely your receiver and it's DACs that determine that. You haven't actually said whether you intend to use HDMI or the analog outs from the player....
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post #28558 of 38733
2/5/10 at 5:28pm
Dear all tech guys,
AS for 83, will all the avi/mkv or the other video files on USB media processed by ABT2010 before output? Or just decoded by MT8520 then output directly?
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post #28559 of 38733
2/5/10 at 6:55pm
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Originally Posted by Mr. Verbal View Post

Dear all tech guys,
AS for 83, will all the avi/mkv or the other video files on USB media processed by ABT2010 before output? Or just decoded by MT8520 then output directly?

Everything displayed via HDMI goes through the ABT unless Source Direct is selected.

-Bill
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post #28560 of 38733
2/5/10 at 7:25pm
My 83 is supposed to arrive tomorrow. My question is : If you play a photo DVD slide show, does it display photos in high resolution like my 980 and 983 or standard resolution like my 981?
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