Official OPPO BDP-83 Owner's Thread [technical talk only] - Page 958

This past weekend, I was listening to music and noticed that a track has to play for a full two seconds before the previous track (or play the beginning of the current track) button on the remote works. This is with the latest firmware. I didn't notice this with any of the previous firmware. Anyone else find this anomaly with their BDP-83?

+1 Yet... by comparison it is rather innocuous.

Can't say it was with the latest firmware, but yes, I've encountered that often. If you are on Chapter 10 of a disc, and then want to play back Chapter 9, you need to hit the button twice as I recall. Haven't remembered this with music discs, but I assume it would be the same.

I just wanted to point out that the setting is actually intended for use with 1.1 and 1.2 processors so one doesn't need to switch back and forth between PCM and bitstream on DVD and BD discs. Like most things "auto", it doesn't always make the right choice, and is dependent on a specific handshake to make the right choice. Explicit settings are always better.

+1, flawless playback with Marantz 7002 and Oppo in BD, DVD, SACD, DVD-A and CD.

Yes, NON-hdmi receiver..

I want to set it up for DD5.1 from the player over toslink or coax.

But I also need downmixed 2ch to go to the TV somehow.. desirably through the embedded HDMI channel...

Can the -83 do this? (2ch downmix via hdmi, DD5.1 downmix via coax/optical)

Can the -80 do it?

thanks,
..dane

No, haven't tried it with movies. I only watch movies straight through while hitting the pause button one or two times. It happens with music tracks. I can hit the back track button several times but nothing happens until exactly two seconds after the track starts.

I'll play the standing for the geek side... as I don't have SACD's and never will buy any by choice (since I cannot get any benefit out of them as my hearing could never discern a difference of the benefits SACD supposedly has), the issues are of no matter to me. The BD-83 is, first and formost a Bluray Disc player. It also happens to play SACD. Getting the BD playback working well, is top priority. Playing other modern media is 2nd priority.. that is, DVDs, DVD-A, CD, SASC, AND streaming from network.

That said, I'm sure Oppo has more than one engineer working BD-83 issues, so there are folks assigned to the issues ... but to expect Oppo to focus first and foremost on a niche, non-growth audio format is silly.

Your TV is innately stereo, right? That's all HDMI will deliver to it regardless of the other settings.

Same for both players.

-Bill

If it does have to do with the Oppo player then you should have 30 days to return for an exchange.

Regards,
Techlord.

I don't know where you find the silliness.
A lot of consumers that purchase the Oppo players are looking for it to play SACD, and DVD-Audio.

Exactly, they were 2 major reasons for my purchase of the the BP83!

Indeed. I wouldn't have bought the 3 BD-83s that I have if they didn't play these silly formats.

It's a panasonic 50g10... It only has two speakers so yes, stereo. however I was unsure if the oppo tried to send it a multi-channel audio track what would happen.

It sounds like you're saying the Oppo and the TV would self-negotiate the audio configuration regardless of the setting of the Oppo, is that correct?

Only other glitch could be, then, if I got an -80 and kept my VP30 (instead of selling the VP30 and getting an -83), is that the HDMI would go into the VP30 instead of the TV, thus potentially throwing off any auto-audio-negotiations? Sorry, yes that question may belong in the -80 owners thread..

Sorry, I'm new to this HDMI stuff....

thanks,
..dane

Agreed.


And repeating the problematic opinion that the 83 is "first and formost (sic) a Bluray (sic) Disc player" doesn't somehow make it factual or true. You don't have any SA-CDs. *That's* conveniently why SA-CD playback is "of no matter to [you]." Why piss on other guys' collections and playback issues?

Positing that playback of "other modern [packaged] media" (CD is 25+ years old and some guys are experiencing CD playback issues with the 83 that my Pioneer PD-M6 magazine-style changer player didn't have in 1986) is secondary may suit your needs, but it doesn't make it accurate.

OPPO, not us silly, high resolution music-loving consumers, apparently chose to make those other formats something of a priority by bringing a player to market that plays them. If it's going to play them/bear those formats' logos, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect it to do so in a manner commensurate with the player's and company's otherwise fabulous reputation. Rationalizing purported second-class status by citing the formats' "non-growth" status (tell David Chesky, Mark Waldrep, Mike Bishop and Linn Records that!) is not helpful.

Yes.


It's supposed to do the right thing.

I quote from the OPPO manual: "HDMI is a wonderful thing..."

-Bill

hahaha... thanks Bill. I read that in the manual.

Okay, so here's a real question for the '83 owners thread...

Does a BDP-83 with abt1020 chipset offer something that a bdp-80 with a DVDO VP30 (with ABT102 deinterlace card) does not?

In other words, are there any compelling reasons to move to the -83 and sell the VP30 as opposed to keeping my VP30 (that offers nice auto-switching to Tivo and other inputs) and getting an -80?

Not wanting to slam the -80 at all.. Selling the VP30 will almost make up for the difference in cost for the -83 .. so it would almost be a wash (but loose my auto-input-switching feature). So I'm trying to see if there are any other reasons towards a bdp-83..

..dane

EDIT: I got a response back from Oppo MUCH faster (2.5 hrs) than I expected... thought I would post here for others as well:


thanks all,
..dane

Good grief. Do you have any evidence that they are not trying to fix it? Can you name a company that has been more committed to these formats for years?

-Bill

I already have a fine BD player: the Panny BD30. I just ordered the OPPO BD83 because it has much more: SACD AND DVD-A playback for one. There are dozens of new SACD classical music recordings comming out every month. Some are just outstanding performances. Secondly, I also have hundreds of DVDs , movies, classical concerts and Opera. The Oppo allows me to extend their lives and enjoy them in much improved PQ. Oppo is the only one of the OEM that answers to many peoples needs without breaking their bank account.
Mériadec.

Check out the header on OPPO's page for the 83. Maybe DVD is an even lower priority

I finished my recording of the vinyl-like click/pop between tracks. I recorded track transitions on 10 SACDs from my collection (my entire collection totals about 70 or so) and EVERY one has the click problem.

Don't get me wrong, I *love* my BDP-83. I just want this issue fixed. I find the first 10 SACDs I happen to grab off my shelf having this problem to be significant. I suspect most (if not all) of my discs would show the problem...I don't have the time to go through every one. I also am very confused that Steve mentioned he tried the same Telarc title as one I tried, and he got NO clicks...so it's not always just the SACD title that's at fault.

I will post the recording soon.

Chris

I ran the stereo analog outs of my BDP-83 to my PC's soundcard and recorded several SACD track transitions. I have a regular BDP-83 running the latest official firmware. The mp3 file can be dowloaded from the following page:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepit1s/

I tried to get a good mix of record labels. I literally grabbed different discs off the shelf and every one exhibited the problem. Hopefully, there's something in this list AVSers also own and can try on their setups. I didn't alter the recording in any way...just concatenated all the WAV files together. Don't pay attention to the clicks/pops that are present at the extreme beginning or end of each portion...that's just SoundForge being dumb as a result of my cutting and pasting the 10 small WAVs together.

The single vinyl-like click/pop sound can be heard at the following time indices within the mp3:

01) 00:06; Track 1 -> 2; Jarvi/Dvorak Sym 9 (Telarc SACD-60616)
02) 00:16; Track 5 -> 6; Depeche Mode Music for the Masses
03) 00:28; Track 7 -> 8; Karajan/Mozart Requiem (Deutsche Gramm)
04) 00:41; Track 1 -> 2; Pizzaro/Beethoven Piano Sonatas (Linn Records)
05) 01:00; Track 1 -> 2; Beautiful Mind soundtrack
06) 01:11; Track 3 -> 4; Nutcracker Selections (Telarc SACD-60674)
07) 01:28; Track 3 -> 4; Scarlatti Giardino Di Rose (DECCA 470-650-2)
08) 01:38; Track 4 -> 5; Sarah Brightman Time to Say Goodbye (Angel Records)
09) 01:52; Track 5 -> 6; Mozart Requiem/Kuijken Quartet (Challenge Classics 72121)
10) 02:06; Track 6 -> 7; Gloria Estefan Greatest Hits (Epic 86729)

#6 is the loudest of all, I think.

As a small aside, if I push the skip forward or skip backward track buttons on the remote, there is no pop sound.

Now, I will be the first to admit these clicks/pops aren't huge...but they are loud enough to be noticeable and distracting. What do you think?

If you'd rather not clutter the thread with your responses, you can PM me.

Thanks everyone for taking some time and helping me with this,

Chris

firmware 1.14 (or whatever the latest is) on the VP30 offers 1080p passthrough .. Does that NOT include 1080p24?

cheers,
..dane

Captianbrent:
I did as you suggested and so far all is well thanks for the help. If I develop problems than I will switch from auto to specific. I have used auto in most of my setups with no problems. Thanks again.

I think I could probably live with those ... until somebody pointed them out to me, then it would drive me bonkers.

One observation, having opened your file in an editing program to check out the waveform: It's hard to tell for certain, since you're using analog to get to your sound card, but it appears the clicks are 1 to 2 samples long, and are happening even when the audio from the disc is in digital silence.

This says to my not-quite-knowledgeable-enough-to-be-dangerous self that they're being generated by the Oppo itself, and are not a result of misread data.

Somebody please tell me whether I'm in the vicinity of making sense here.

You're more that welcome william06, glad to be of some help! Although I have been using auto settings as well, I agree with rdgrimes that explicit settings are maybe a better way to go. At least we have the options!

Cheers!

I have absolutely no problem or major complaint with the 83. I have had one issue and used a suggested workaround. I even spoke to Oppo. I understand in this world of fast moving technology there are issues major and minor. It seems Oppo has far fewer issues especially with BD. My only argument is that Oppo did introduce the 83 as a Universal Player encompassing a wide variety of formats. And eventually it should be brought around to working as originally designed. Weather you use all its capabilities or not, those that do should be able to eventually use it as advertised. That is not to suggest or claim tha Oppo is not working toward this goal. My only complaint is toward the people who seem offended if anyone makes a critical remark about this unit. I think the outstanding reviews and support it has is enough but like anything else electronic it will have some issues. I would have kept my Elite 23BD and 58AV if BD was my only interest. I purchased the 83 because of it Universal ability and praise. I would also be remiss if I did not say I am not sorry I purchased it.

To the extent I understand your point--and I think I do, after wincing at the use of the phrase "you people"--I agree: there's been some of what is of course speculation about "OPPO's priorities." But absent an executive weighing in with the facts (and you'd be the first to say that Jason Liao has better things to do and we have no right to such communication), I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with some measure of informed speculation. Indeed, it's a not insignificant component of Internet fora even restricted to tech discussions.

But I respectfully disagree that it's the speculation about corporate priorities vis-a-vis possible/hoped for resolution of SA-CD (and DVD-A) playback issues that's the most significant culprit in terms of the generation of "class status." I think there's been a good measure of that coming from a select but palpable few gloating beta testers and EAPers from the near earliest days of this thread.

Additionally, speaking for me personally, the perennial need for some cheerleaders to beat down any discussion of SA-CD and DVD-A playback glitches and to thereby disrespect some fellow members' passion for (high resolution) music enjoyment by dismissing formats that some of us are still avidly buying as "dead"/"non-growth" plays a bigger role in "perpetuat[ing] animosity" than speculation about corporate priorities and resources. Most if not all of us have purchased a specialized product. Many of us have taken critical issue with mainstream reviews of our baby. Why do some people all of a sudden want to use mainstream market values to determine whether something--in this case, high resolution music media formats--is worthy of discussion amongst music-/movie-loving technical/engineering hobbyists?

From my W. BD menu question to the SA-CD playback glitches, some folks who don't have/haven't experienced the problem and have nothing constructive to add to the discussion might be well-advised to refrain from responding. That would go a long way towards alleviating animosity.