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post #29971 of 38730
3/27/10 at 4:59pm
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Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

Just because a cd is mastered in 20-bit resolution, it does not mean that it's an HDCD disc. If you play an HDCD in a compatible player, it will automatically display the HDCD flag, if it is present. Bottom line, if there is no flag present on a compact disc mastered with HDCD, the player with not display the flag.

There are no 20-bit CDs, as the CD format is limited to 16 bits. There are CDs that were made from 20-bit masters, such as ones from Sony that use SBM, Super Bit Mapping, which is a nice way to scale down to 16 bits while retaining high sound quality. Telarc did something similar.
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post #29972 of 38730
3/27/10 at 5:04pm
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

hutchinshouse,

It could be firmware related or it could be the disc. It wouldn't be the 1st time that the jacket on a CD is incorrect.


Respectfully,
Willie

I just checked. It's not F/W. On my XP PC (WMP11) it's also not flagged HDCD. It's the disc. Good to know the Oppo is a-ok.
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post #29973 of 38730
3/27/10 at 5:16pm
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

There are no 20-bit CDs, as the CD format is limited to 16 bits. There are CDs that were made from 20-bit masters, such as ones from Sony that use SBM, Super Bit Mapping, which is a nice way to scale down to 16 bits while retaining high sound quality. Telarc did something similar.

"HDCD encodes the equivalent of 20 bits worth of data in a 16-bit digital audio signal by using custom dithering, audio filters, and some reversible amplitude and gain encoding; Peak Extend, which is a reversible soft limiter and Low Level Range Extend, which is a reversible gain on low-level signals. There is thus a benefit at the expense of a very minor increase in noise."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCD
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post #29974 of 38730
3/27/10 at 6:04pm
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Originally Posted by narkspud View Post

"HDCD encodes the equivalent of 20 bits worth of data in a 16-bit digital audio signal by using custom dithering, audio filters, and some reversible amplitude and gain encoding; Peak Extend, which is a reversible soft limiter and Low Level Range Extend, which is a reversible gain on low-level signals. There is thus a benefit at the expense of a very minor increase in noise."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCD

I believe CD's are recorded and stored as 16-bits of information and not 20-bits. That's what Roger was stating which is 100% correct, so CD's are not 20-bit. Whatever HDCD encodes doesn't change the fact that CD's are in fact 16-bit.

Regards,
Techlord.
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post #29975 of 38730
3/27/10 at 6:21pm
My understanding of the HDCD format is that when played on a non-HDCD capable setup, the recording is actually less than 16bits, because of the fancy way HDCD encoding fits the equivalent of a 20bit recording into the space for a 16 bit format.
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post #29976 of 38730
3/27/10 at 6:57pm
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Originally Posted by johnathanwinter View Post

looked for it. couldnt find it. got a link?

Try this: http://www.amazon.com/Rancho-Texican...9741348&sr=8-4 Isn't billed as an HDCD in this write-up, but it lights the light on the Oppo!
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post #29977 of 38730
3/27/10 at 8:21pm
Don't have an Oppo BDP-83 yet and maybe a silly question, but can I set up HDMI and Analog interconnects simultaneously for different purposes?

i.e. use HDMI connection for Blu-Ray movies for audio and video, but then use the analog outs for music cd stereo playback.
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post #29978 of 38730
3/27/10 at 8:30pm
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Originally Posted by Giant Robot View Post

Don't have an Oppo BDP-83 yet and maybe a silly question, but can I set up HDMI and Analog interconnects simultaneously for different purposes?

i.e. use HDMI connection for Blu-Ray movies for audio and video, but then use the analog outs for music cd stereo playback.

Read the FAQ, you'll be glad you did.
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post #29979 of 38730
3/27/10 at 9:16pm
Since were on the topic, here is the link to the outstanding sounding Neil Young Harvest HDCD disc. Just superb sound for this classic on the Oppo.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001VZY4LY/ref=oss_product

Styln
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post #29980 of 38730
3/27/10 at 10:49pm
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

There are no 20-bit CDs, as the CD format is limited to 16 bits. There are CDs that were made from 20-bit masters, such as ones from Sony that use SBM, Super Bit Mapping, which is a nice way to scale down to 16 bits while retaining high sound quality. Telarc did something similar.

Yes, you are correct.
I neglected to state the fact that all non-HDCD or regular compact discs are scaled down to their 16-bit format.
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post #29981 of 38730
3/27/10 at 11:47pm
Opps... I just discovered a big, big (for me...) problem with my brand new Oppo BDP-83 - I didn't realize that the model doesn't play .wmv files. This means it won't play my wife and my wedding video! You get the idea... I just swapped out our "old", quite good-enough-for-one-of-us Pioneer DV-410, which doesn't play Blu-Ray but does play .wmv files, for a brand new Oppo BDP-83... Now, I need to find a way to play the wedding video on the Oppo! Is there some relatively simple way (relatively simple, as in I really know nothing about such things...) to convert an 89.9MB .wmv file to some file format that the DBP-83 will play either on a usb thumb drive or CD-ROM?

Thanks in advance - assistance greatly appreciated.... as you might imagine, this is a matter of urgent domestic harmony... ;-)
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post #29982 of 38730
3/28/10 at 4:57am
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Originally Posted by r-gordon-7 View Post

Opps... I just discovered a big, big (for me...) problem with my brand new Oppo BDP-83 - I didn't realize that the model doesn't play .wmv files. This means it won't play my wife and my wedding video! You get the idea... I just swapped out our "old", quite good-enough-for-one-of-us Pioneer DV-410, which doesn't play Blu-Ray but does play .wmv files, for a brand new Oppo BDP-83... Now, I need to find a way to play the wedding video on the Oppo! Is there some relatively simple way (relatively simple, as in I really know nothing about such things...) to convert an 89.9MB .wmv file to some file format that the DBP-83 will play either on a usb thumb drive or CD-ROM?

Thanks in advance - assistance greatly appreciated.... as you might imagine, this is a matter of urgent domestic harmony... ;-)

I haven't done it myself, and perhaps others here will have more specific advice.

This page shows the results of searching for format conversion guides for "WMV to ....": http://www.videohelp.com/guides?sear...or+List+Guides

You will want to find something that produces either DVD Video or a media file container that the OPPO supports (divx, avi, mkv, avchd). The video and audio codecs in the container must also be of a supported type. See the FAQ for details: Media Files

There might be $$$ services that will convert your videos to DVD or Blu-ray for you, but I have not investigated those.

-Bill
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post #29983 of 38730
3/28/10 at 5:40am
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Originally Posted by Jim Hef View Post

Try this: http://www.amazon.com/Rancho-Texican...9741348&sr=8-4 Isn't billed as an HDCD in this write-up, but it lights the light on the Oppo!

Ill give that one a run through. thanks.
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post #29984 of 38730
3/28/10 at 6:16am
Hello Fellow Enthusiasts! I am trying to make a decision considering the combination of these two components in order to derive the best possible video/audio output possible for my home theater system. Let me explain I currently own a DVDO iScan VP50 Pro which includes an SDI Input. I would like to purchase an Oppo BDP-83SE and have it modified with an SDI Output along with other upgrades offered on the market to improve performance, i.e., power source improvement, etc. There are three sources that offer modifications to the Oppo that I have found thus far; Nuforce, ModWright and Reference Audio Mods. The only company I found so far that performs the SDI output mod is JVB Digital. Please let me know which mods you think would best improve the performance of this player and who you recommend I employ to have this work completed. Any information and/or suggestions anyone may have will be more than welcome!

The other major components I will be using consist of the following:

California Audio Labs 2500 MCA
California Audio Labs 2500 SSP
Monster Cable HTS 5100 Signature
B&W 801 Matrix Series III Mains
B&W Matrix HTM Center Channel
B&W DS6 Series 3 Rear Channels
Samsung HL-S5088W DLP TV (looking to change in the future, suggestions?)

I originally posted this thread in the "Standard Def Player" Section... Sorry for the misunderstanding!
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post #29985 of 38730
3/28/10 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by r-gordon-7 View Post

Opps... I just discovered a big, big (for me...) problem with my brand new Oppo BDP-83 - I didn't realize that the model doesn't play .wmv files. This means it won't play my wife and my wedding video! You get the idea... I just swapped out our "old", quite good-enough-for-one-of-us Pioneer DV-410, which doesn't play Blu-Ray but does play .wmv files, for a brand new Oppo BDP-83... Now, I need to find a way to play the wedding video on the Oppo! Is there some relatively simple way (relatively simple, as in I really know nothing about such things...) to convert an 89.9MB .wmv file to some file format that the DBP-83 will play either on a usb thumb drive or CD-ROM?

Thanks in advance - assistance greatly appreciated.... as you might imagine, this is a matter of urgent domestic harmony... ;-)

Google is your friend:
from wmv to?. There appears to be several pieces of software that'll convert it to .avi - EXAMPLE. I'm not a Windows person so I cannot recommend any...
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post #29986 of 38730
3/28/10 at 8:54am
I have an Oppo setup question. I've bought the Oppo before upgrading/purchasing a new HDTV. Is there an alternative to running the setup wizard via a television? I have a Dell Inspiron 1720 laptop that, alas, has no HDMI port. Can I use the USB port from Oppo to laptop?.... Thanks for any input you folks may have....
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post #29987 of 38730
3/28/10 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by SteelyTom View Post

I have an Oppo setup question. I've bought the Oppo before upgrading/purchasing a new HDTV. Is there an alternative to running the setup wizard via a television? I have a Dell Inspiron 1720 laptop that, alas, has no HDMI port. Can I use the USB port from Oppo to laptop?.... Thanks for any input you folks may have....

The video outputs are HDMI, component, and composite. Do you have no TV with one of these inputs?

-Bill
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post #29988 of 38730
3/28/10 at 9:04am
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Originally Posted by tahoe36c View Post

I would like to purchase an Oppo BDP-83SE and have it modified with an SDI Output along with other upgrades offered on the market to improve performance, i.e., power source improvement, etc. There are three sources that offer modifications to the Oppo that I have found thus far; Nuforce, ModWright and Reference Audio Mods.

If you send it to the Netherlands for the hd-sdi mod tahoe ; make sure any further mods are compatible with the hd-sdi card I would think . Another to check out is asi-tek http://asi-tek.com/Oppo7.html or from someone who designs and collaborates with Allen Wright @ vacuum state with propietary technology Joe Rasmussen http://www.customanalogue.com/ [if you dont mind shipping out the country ?]

I think the linked posts at audio asylum speak for themselves what someone who doesnt just put in new components but designs them can do . See what you think ; my oppo was modded by custom-ht [who also has a hd-sdi option listed ;but that fell through as one of our groupbuy dtv forum members [who also had a vp50pro with sdi card + meridian system only got the sp/dif mod when he ordered the sdi as well ] . Not a happy groupbuy on the whole so choose wisely
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post #29989 of 38730
3/28/10 at 9:14am
Hello all,

I have a SE model which is connected to a Lexicon RV8 AVR using component video (the RV-8 doesn't have HDMI) and then onto my Sim2 C3X Lite projector. I am in the process of upgrading to separates out of the Lexicon and trying to decide between an Anthem DV2 or a McIntosh MX-119 at 1/3 the price of the DV2. The MX-119 uses component video and passes through video but has audio setup to match my Mac amps.

My priorities are 2CH music, MCH music, and then AV movies and shows.

If I uses the Oppo SE to process the video for DVD and BluRay, do I gain anything from the video processing of the DV2? Will I see improvement with HDMI 1.3 for video or is component video equal quality?

Also, with True HD, etc., my understanding is that the Oppo SE will process and can send these to the Mac preamp through analog hookup. So I will get the benefit of the improved sound without needing to sending it through a HDMI processor.

If that is the case, then the DV2 would seem to have an advantage only in ARC, but I can use the savings from the MX-119 to be an Audissey and still have $$$ in the bank vs. the DV2.

Am I seeing this correctly or is there benefit to the DV2 I'm missing?

Thanks,
Max

System
Sim2 C3X Lite DLP
Lexicon RV-8 AVR
McIntosh MC-7106 bi-amp Front and Center
McIntosh MC-7206 side and rear Surrounds
Oppo BDP-83SE
DirecTV HR-21
VSA VS4-MKIII Front LR
VSA LCR-15 Center
VSA VSX-M Side Surrounds
VSA VSR Rear Surrounds
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post #29990 of 38730
3/28/10 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by maxfli View Post

Hello all,

I have a SE model which is connected to a Lexicon RV8 AVR using component video (the RV-8 doesn't have HDMI) and then onto my Sim2 C3X Lite projector. I am in the process of upgrading to separates out of the Lexicon and trying to decide between an Anthem DV2 or a McIntosh MX-119 at 1/3 the price of the DV2. The MX-119 uses component video and passes through video but has audio setup to match my Mac amps.

My priorities are 2CH music, MCH music, and then AV movies and shows.

If I uses the Oppo SE to process the video for DVD and BluRay, do I gain anything from the video processing of the DV2? Will I see improvement with HDMI 1.3 for video or is component video equal quality?

Also, with True HD, etc., my understanding is that the Oppo SE will process and can send these to the Mac preamp through analog hookup. So I will get the benefit of the improved sound without needing to sending it through a HDMI processor.

If that is the case, then the DV2 would seem to have an advantage only in ARC, but I can use the savings from the MX-119 to be an Audissey and still have $$$ in the bank vs. the DV2.

Am I seeing this correctly or is there benefit to the DV2 I'm missing?

Thanks,
Max

System
Sim2 C3X Lite DLP
Lexicon RV-8 AVR
McIntosh MC-106 bi-amp Front and Center
McIntosh MC-206 side and rear Surrounds
Oppo BDP-83SE
DirecTV HR-21
VSA VS4-MKIII Front LR
VSA LCR-15 Center
VSA VSX-M Side Surrounds
VSA VSR Rear Surrounds

It's better to use HDMI for video if you can. Could you bypass the AVR and connect the player directly to your display?

-Bill
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post #29991 of 38730
3/28/10 at 11:26am
tahoe36c and cwt:

Regarding HD-SDI mods for the Oppo, don't bother. One prominent mod turns out to actually be just an HDMI to HD-SDI converter inside the box, in which case there's no value at all. The situation was different for SD-SDI mods on DVD players, and there are still some of those out there sending SD-SDI into scalers (at our house, for example). Also, the only remotely affordable scaler that supports HD-SDI in is the DVDO VP50 Pro, which nobody should buy (see the forum, you'll see what I mean). You can get a very nice Lumagen scaler, but it doesn't support HD-SDI in, and the guy who runs that company (and is the chief engineer) says that HDMI 4:2:2 is the same data you'd get over HD-SDI anyway.

No SD-SDI or HD-SDI mod I'm aware of interferes with other parts of the player, including region mods.
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post #29992 of 38730
3/28/10 at 12:01pm
Progress, but no success... Using Windows Movie Maker, I was able to convert the wedding video file from .wmv to .avi. (It converted from an 89.94MB .mmv file [720x480] to a 1.24GB .avi file - seems quite large, but that's how it conveted.) I then put the .avi file on a 4GB thumb drive & put the thumb drive in the Oppo's BDP-83's front USB port. Turning on the Oppo, clicking on the "Movie" icon & then clicking on the "usb1" icon, the Oppo read & the screen now shows the file name - though the fields for information in the box on the left ("Total Time:", "Resolution:", "Frame Rate:" and ""Format:") are all blank. More problematic is that the file does not play - and when I try to play the file, the Oppo seems to freeze - none of the buttons on the Oppo or the remote seem to work, other than the power button, which after a long delay does turn the Oppo off. If I then remove the thumb drive and power the Oppo back on, the Oppo reverts to normal operation - but I still haven't gotten the wedding video (now in the .avi format file) to play...
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post #29993 of 38730
3/28/10 at 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by r-gordon-7 View Post

Progress, but no success... Using Windows Movie Maker, I was able to convert the wedding video file from .wmv to .avi. (It converted from an 89.94MB .mmv file [720x480] to a 1.24GB .avi file - seems quite large, but that's how it conveted.) I then put the .avi file on a 4GB thumb drive & put the thumb drive in the Oppo's BDP-83's front USB port. Turning on the Oppo, clicking on the "Movie" icon & then clicking on the "usb1" icon, the Oppo read & the screen now shows the file name - though the fields for information in the box on the left ("Total Time:", "Resolution:", "Frame Rate:" and ""Format:") are all blank. More problematic is that the file does not play - and when I try to play the file, the Oppo seems to freeze - none of the buttons on the Oppo or the remote seem to work, other than the power button, which after a long delay does turn the Oppo off. If I then remove the thumb drive and power the Oppo back on, the Oppo reverts to normal operation - but I still haven't gotten the wedding video (now in the .avi format file) to play...

What is the video codec in the avi file? Is it one of those shown in the FAQ?

-Bill
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post #29994 of 38730
3/28/10 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by r-gordon-7 View Post

Progress, but no success... Using Windows Movie Maker, I was able to convert the wedding video file from .wmv to .avi. (It converted from an 89.94MB .mmv file [720x480] to a 1.24GB .avi file - seems quite large, but that's how it conveted.)

That sounds like you made raw DV, which the player does not support. Try making a MPEG-2 file.
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post #29995 of 38730
3/28/10 at 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

It's better to use HDMI for video if you can. Could you bypass the AVR and connect the player directly to your display?

-Bill

Yes, this can always be done, but you lose switching through the AVR/ preamp. Can use a switch of course, but would prefer to have in one product with the audio.

More concerned with the video processing quality coming out of the BDP-83 vs. the DV2. Thanks.
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post #29996 of 38730
3/28/10 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

What is the video codec in the avi file? Is it one of those shown in the FAQ?

-Bill

Please excuse my utter & obvious ignorance (well, in my earlier post I did say I know nothing about such things - and that is indeed correct), but how do I know or find out which codec is in the .avi file? (In converting the file, I simply followed the Windows Movie Maker instructions to convert a .wmv to .avi - neither the instructions nor anything else on-screen said anything about codec or a choice of codec - so I presume the default was used - whatever that might be...)

To rdgrimes: Windows Movie Maker doesn't seem to offer the choice to convert to MPEF-2...
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post #29997 of 38730
3/28/10 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

That sounds like you made raw DV, which the player does not support. Try making a MPEG-2 file.

At 1.24 GB, it's not raw DV unless it's a VERY short wedding.

Suggestion: Many DVD burning programs will allow you to drag and drop a WMV and create a DVD from it. Being a Mac guy, I can't give you a list of such programs for PCs. Nero maybe?

I must confess I'm a bit bewildered as to the apparent frequency of your wedding video viewing, but to each his own. I don't think my wife and I *ever* watched our wedding video, not one single time, unless it was to show it to a long-distance relative who missed the event.

We ended up divorced. Hmmm ....
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post #29998 of 38730
3/28/10 at 1:14pm
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Originally Posted by r-gordon-7 View Post

Please excuse my utter & obvious ignorance (well, in my earlier post I did say I know nothing about such things - and that is indeed correct), but how do I know or find out which codec is in the .avi file? (In converting the file, I simply followed the Windows Movie Maker instructions to convert a .wmv to .avi - neither the instructions nor anything else on-screen said anything about codec or a choice of codec - so I presume the default was used - whatever that might be...)

To rdgrimes: Windows Movie Maker doesn't seem to offer the choice to convert to MPEF-2...

According to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Movie_Maker, Windows Movie Maker does not export to any useful format (for our purposes). It does say you can make DVD Video, which might be worth a try, although that limits you to standard definition.

Or you could try some other converter.

This really isn't an OPPO BDP-83 issue.

-Bill
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post #29999 of 38730
3/28/10 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post


This really isn't an OPPO BDP-83 issue.

-Bill

In an effort to turn this to back into a proper "OPPO BDP-83 issue", the OPPO suposedly supports .avi files & I was able to convert the .wmv file into a 1.24GB .avi file, but the OPPO won't play it. Does the OPPO only play "some" .avi files? Is there anything I can do to get this supposedly supported .avi format file to play on the OPPO?

(btw, to narcspud: the video is 6 min long - it's not the whole wedding, just a nicely edited condensed version that was our daughter's gift to us... As to any correlation between the frequency of viewing vs the success of one's marriage I won't venture a guess, except to say we do watch it often - and are still married... ;-) )
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post #30000 of 38730
3/28/10 at 1:53pm
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Originally Posted by r-gordon-7 View Post

In an effort to turn this to back into a proper "OPPO BDP-83 issue", the OPPO suposedly supports .avi files & I was able to convert the .wmv file into a 1.24GB .avi file, but the OPPO won't play it. Does the OPPO only play "some" .avi files?

As explained in the FAQ, "avi" is a container. Inside the container are audio and video data formatted as different codecs. The codecs must be supported by the player as well as the container.

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Is there anything I can do to get this supposedly supported .avi format file to play on the OPPO?

Use a conversion tool that creates a supported container with supported audio and video codecs. The FAQ contains lists of what is supported.

-Bill
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