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post #33241 of 39280
The difference between Blu-Ray and up-sampled DVD is in no way subtle. It's impossible to add detail that is not there.
The person who can't tell the diff may want to have their setup checked out, because it sounds like something is wrong.
post #33242 of 39280
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Originally Posted by Jacob305 View Post

thanks.
I talked with oppo about it. it seem that I would have to use the original remote and not the harmony when using the blu ray player.
Jacob

That doesn't sound right. Plenty of owners here, myself included, use multiple Oppo products in our setups and have no issues using third-party remotes to operate them separately.
post #33243 of 39280
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Originally Posted by porieux View Post

The difference between Blu-Ray and up-sampled DVD is in no way subtle. It's impossible to add detail that is not there.
The person who can't tell the diff may want to have their setup checked out, because it sounds like something is wrong.

there are WAY too many variables involved to make a blanket statement like that....

for example, those people watching a 42 inch screen tacked up above a fireplace from 15 feet away aren't going to be able to see a difference...

and so on...

@progprog... yea, that doesn't make sense...
post #33244 of 39280
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

there are WAY too many variables involved to make a blanket statement like that....

for example, those people watching a 42 inch screen tacked up above a fireplace from 15 feet away aren't going to be able to see a difference...

and so on...

@progprog... yea, that doesn't make sense...

I can tell the difference between Up-converted Dvd and Blu on a 32" TV in a store under Florecent lighting. However I have very good vision and been into blu since day 1, I watch 5-6 blu's per week and am very use to it.

Maybe instead of looking at the setup, some people may need glasses. No offence.

We are also going off topic here. Let's look at setup advice.

Ta

Dono
post #33245 of 39280
^^^^

ummm.... ok.... believe what you like... people tell me they can tell the difference between silver and copper wires too...

fwiw, it's not my first dance at the ball either...
post #33246 of 39280
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^^

ummm.... ok.... believe what you like... people tell me they can tell the difference between silver and copper wires too...

fwiw, it's not my first dance at the ball either...

Gosh, there is a difference between Silver and copper wires. Ha Ha.

What was originally said was we all should go back to up-converted DVD,
So we don't have to worry about Java Discs and compatibility issues. Yeah right, that's going to happen.

DVD is gone. It had it's day. There is a huge difference between the quality on a quality system.

When I got Avatar on blu, which had the DVD attached I took a look at the DVD to see what a really good
DVD transfer would look like up-converted. Meh, I watched it for about two minutes and thought how spoilt
we are to now have blu.

Don't get me wrong. I don't hate DVD. I collected them for 11 years and own 450 of them. There are still titles
I am proud to have on DVD that are not available for Blu. However I will never go back to settle for just DVD.

Ta

Dono
post #33247 of 39280
My new BDP-83 is in the rack...got a lot of learning to do again!
post #33248 of 39280
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Originally Posted by Paul E. Fox, II View Post

My new BDP-83 is in the rack...got a lot of learning to do again!

The FAQ.

Recommended settings FAQ.
post #33249 of 39280
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Originally Posted by glangford View Post

When a movie I want to buy comes out I gauge whether or not bo buy BD or DVD. For sci-fi or high visual special effects I'll go BD, for dramas or comedies DVD is fine given the Oppo's scaling ability.

+1. Do the very same myself.
post #33250 of 39280
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Originally Posted by Badas View Post

DVD is gone. It had it's day.

DVD is still 87% plus of optical disc sales in North America. Perhaps it may look different in a few years time in North America/Europe/Australia/NZ. Rest of the world is still just transiting to DVD about now.
post #33251 of 39280
"When a movie I want to buy comes out I gauge whether or not bo buy BD or DVD. For sci-fi or high visual special effects I'll go BD, for dramas or comedies DVD is fine given the Oppo's scaling ability."
This is exactly how I work my purchasing and find it is a great way to work this "habit". I do make exceptions for "small" films I really, really love. I have an 83 and a 983 and it will be a long, long, long time before I swap them out of my HT for something new.
post #33252 of 39280
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Originally Posted by blacklion View Post

DVD is still 87% plus of optical disc sales in North America. Perhaps it may look different in a few years time in North America/Europe/Australia/NZ. Rest of the world is still just transiting to DVD about now.

Was talking Quality not Quantity.
post #33253 of 39280
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Originally Posted by Badas View Post

Was talking Quality not Quantity.

That too is in the eye of the beholder.
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Wow,I really started a roll with my upconverted dvd statement.Thing is I own a samsung 55 8500 calibrated and in a completely windowless room with lumens backlight.Im also in my sixties so putting all that together i stand by my statement.When i was searching for a player many people told me on the forum the real strength of the 83 was in upconversion.
post #33255 of 39280
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

The FAQ.

Recommended settings FAQ.

HAHA!

Thanks dude...that's what I needed!
post #33256 of 39280
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Originally Posted by mattg3 View Post

Wow,I really started a roll with my upconverted dvd statement.Thing is I own a samsung 55 8500 calibrated and in a completely windowless room with lumens backlight.Im also in my sixties so putting all that together i stand by my statement.When i was searching for a player many people told me on the forum the real strength of the 83 was in upconversion.

"Real strength" certainly doesn't equal "as good as BD."

And I stand by this statement: If you can't see a difference on that setup, then you've done something terribly wrong.
post #33257 of 39280
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Originally Posted by Badas View Post

--snip--

When I got Avatar on blu, which had the DVD attached I took a look at the DVD to see what a really good DVD transfer would look like up-converted. Meh, I watched it for about two minutes and thought how spoilt we are to now have blu.

Don't get me wrong. I don't hate DVD. I collected them for 11 years and own 450 of them. There are still titles
I am proud to have on DVD that are not available for Blu. However I will never go back to settle for just DVD.

Ta

Dono

Another example is LoTR one of the best DVD I've ever seen, but I could tell the difference with the Netflix-rented BD, and will definitely buy the set when the extended version is released. 'Till then, the I'll "suffer" with the DVD.
post #33258 of 39280
Hey all

I have a 2TB WD Elements that is formated to Mac journal extended partition which has a few MKV files on it. I plugged it into the oppos usb port and nothing comes up. Does the Oppo only recognize Fat 32 and not Mac drives? Thanks for any help
post #33259 of 39280
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Originally Posted by ronin22 View Post

Hey all

I have a 2TB WD Elements that is formated to Mac journal extended partition which has a few MKV files on it. I plugged it into the oppos usb port and nothing comes up. Does the Oppo only recognize Fat 32 and not Mac drives? Thanks for any help

FAT only. See the FAQ: Why won't my USB device work?

I'm sure this is in the manual as well.

-Bill
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Thanks Bill. ......thought so
post #33261 of 39280
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Originally Posted by ronin22 View Post

Thanks Bill. ......thought so

If you attach the device to a DLNA server you no longer have file system restriction, but still have to cope with DLNA oddities. See the FAQ and the Oppo BDP-83 DLNA/UPnP thread.

-Bill
post #33262 of 39280
My brother recently upgraded to Blu-ray. He told me he was disappointed that he didn't see much difference. He has a 70" Mitsu rear proj 1080p set. I asked what kind of cable he was using. He replied component! I told him to get a HDMI cable and get back to me. A few days later he called me back and said he was no longer disappointed.
post #33263 of 39280
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Originally Posted by GZAP1 View Post

My brother recently upgraded to Blu-ray. He told me he was disappointed that he didn't see much difference. He has a 70" Mitsu rear proj 1080p set. I asked what kind of cable he was using. He replied component! I told him to get a HDMI cable and get back to me. A few days later he called me back and said he was no longer disappointed.

Hopefully he's also using a 1.3 capable receiver to route the HDMI signal, since the lossless sound processing is the other beneficial side of the coin for bluray.
post #33264 of 39280
The disk drawer is getting stuck more and more often, though usually only at power up. And I know I'll have to send it in eventually. But I thought I'd report on a small trick I've developed that gets it open without turning it upside down.

I push the Open button and immediately put my fingernails in the top right and left gaps between the cover and the case. Then I wiggle the drawer cover side to side gently while pulling out slightly until it opens. Sometimes the mechanism decides the drawer closed again and goes into its disk load sequence. So I hit the Open button again and do the finger wiggle. It usually works the first time, and almost always by the second.

My '83 is from the second group after the Nifty Fifty. So the drawer is probably one of the early mechanisms.
post #33265 of 39280
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

Hopefully he's also using a 1.3 capable receiver to route the HDMI signal, since the lossless sound processing is the other beneficial side of the coin for bluray.

+1

I think it's at least half the experience! BD's audio upgrade is just as significant as the video upgrade for me......gotta love those lossless codecs!
post #33266 of 39280
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Originally Posted by mattg3 View Post

Wow,I really started a roll with my upconverted dvd statement.Thing is I own a samsung 55 8500 calibrated and in a completely windowless room with lumens backlight.Im also in my sixties so putting all that together i stand by my statement.When i was searching for a player many people told me on the forum the real strength of the 83 was in upconversion.

It's pretty easy to get a "roll" here, when new topics are slow. And one of the strengths of the 83 is indeed, great upconversion, so you made a good choice for your DVD needs, and you save money over BR titles, but perhaps a new eye exam is in order, as for most "properly done" BR titles, you should SEE about a 20% increase in seeable detail and resolution. 20% is a number I made up, but works when I describe the difference to those that don't have a BR player yet, and I'll stand by it for most titles, as a decent starting point. Wether or not that difference is worth the price to some for the added visual quality, is certainly debatable, as you can see.
post #33267 of 39280
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

+1

I think it's at least half the experience! BD's audio upgrade is just as significant as the video upgrade for me......gotta love those lossless codecs!

Always keep that in mind. I just finished the remastered version of Gladiator, finally a great PQ and Audio quality (DTS-HD-MA) version of one of my favorites.
post #33268 of 39280
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Originally Posted by Paul E. Fox, II View Post

New Oppo BDP-83 owner here...

It's sitting in my theater in it's box patiently waiting for me to come home and play with it.

Kinda wish I had read this thread before ordering as there seem to be some minor issues.

Paul E. Fox, II,

Will any of these minor issues affect you? Also, you are fortunate if any player you buy only has minor issues. My player has been trouble free so I wouldn't look for problems that may not exist for you.


Willie
post #33269 of 39280
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Originally Posted by glangford View Post

I agree its better but to say its like VHS going to DVD is a stretch. Its incrementally better. Going to DVD from VHS was a leap forward, to BD is incrementally better, at least for screens of most living rooms.

+1 and I have I have 60" Kuro.


Willie
post #33270 of 39280
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

Paul E. Fox, II,

Will any of these minor issues affect you? Also, you are fortunate if any player you buy only has minor issues. My player has been trouble free so I wouldn't look for problems that may not exist for you.


Willie

No...probably not and I while I know how this works, I still wish I had jumped in this thread BEFORE I purchased.

Not just because there are minor things from time to time (when is that NOT the case...cough HDMI cough...) but because there are other things of value in here as well. I should have stated that in my original post.

I simply forgot to look. I'm quite happy so far.
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