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post #36391 of 38733
7/4/11 at 7:35pm
I had trouble playing one of the latest LOTR discs but, after powering down and powering up and trying again, it worked just fine.
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post #36392 of 38733
7/4/11 at 10:49pm
I had the black screen on the Lord of the Rings EE as well. I got it on D2 of FotR, D1 of TTT, and D2 of RotK.

I think we should have more frequent firmware updates for a $500 player. Part of that extra cost should go to better support compared to getting a mass production player.
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post #36393 of 38733
7/5/11 at 12:03am
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The player is also almost 2 and a half years old, so the number of firmware upgrades for the player will be much lower now.

Most of the issues have already been resolved with the latest Official Firmware. The Warner Brothers issue has been reported for some time now, but never isolated.

The only remaining issues relate to user generated media, which is primarily inflicted by errors related to AR flags being ignored, lack of 24Hz output and DLNA ignoring AVI (DivX/XviD). These issues are still to be fixed, but there is no timetable as to when this may occur.

And yes, I am ignoring the Toy Story 3 bug as outlier errors will always exist.
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post #36394 of 38733
7/5/11 at 6:50am
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

The player is also almost 2 and a half years old, so the number of firmware upgrades for the player will be much lower now.

Most of the issues have already been resolved with the latest Official Firmware. The Warner Brothers issue has been reported for some time now, but never isolated.

The only remaining issues relate to user generated media with the AR being incorrect. These issues are still to be fixed, but there is no timetable as to when this may occur.

So the other things have have been fixed?
- BD-LIVE and Persistent Storage Corruptions
- improper aspect ratio for 4:3 mkv filies. Workaround, use 16:9 Wide.
- Streaming 1080p/23.976 mkv files will result in them being decoded as 1080i/60 and then output at 1080p/60 if you have 1080p resolution set. 1080p/24.000 mkv files stream correctly as 1080p/24
- Streaming does not yet support Divx/Xvid files.
- Toy Story 3's 7.1 DTS-HD MA track is still incorrectly decoded. Workaround, use the 5.1 DTS-HD MA track that is also on that disc.
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post #36395 of 38733
7/5/11 at 1:29pm
LoTR EE FoTR played very well for me...
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post #36396 of 38733
7/5/11 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

BD-LIVE and Persistent Storage Corruptions

This was the primary fix for the latest Official Firmware.

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- improper aspect ratio for 4:3 mkv filies. Workaround, use 16:9 Wide.
- Streaming 1080p/23.976 mkv files will result in them being decoded as 1080i/60 and then output at 1080p/60 if you have 1080p resolution set. 1080p/24.000 mkv files stream correctly as 1080p/24
- Streaming does not yet support Divx/Xvid files.

I'll amend my post, but the point of the post is that most of the big issues have been addressed. The biggest problems relate to User Generated Media compatibility, which is, at OPPO's best ability and never guaranteed.
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post #36397 of 38733
7/5/11 at 2:46pm
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

This was the primary fix for the latest Official Firmware.


I'll amend my post, but the point of the post is that most of the big issues have been addressed. The biggest problems relate to User Generated Media compatibility, which is, at OPPO's best ability and never guaranteed.

Ok, Thanks for the update.
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post #36398 of 38733
7/6/11 at 9:34am
For a long time, I ran my Oppo 83 on an old firmware (circa October 2009), but I finally caved in and updated "on schedule" to this newest version in March of this year. I was hesitant to update, since I've never once had a problem playing a disc and I never once had any sync errors. Ever since that firmware update, I've noticed a kind of "soft sync" on some blu-rays.

The most obvious examples I've seen are TAXI DRIVER and GREASE. While watching, my wife and I will notice that the sound seems slightly out of sync, so we'll either pause or use the fast-review button for a couple seconds... and when we press "play" again, the sync will be perfect. Now I understand if a disc is just badly authored, and I understand if I've got some kind of processing going on which causes bad sync (which I don't, since it's been perfect for years)... but what would account for this kind of "sliding sync"???

Here are my relevant stats:
--sound hookup is NOT thru HDMI but thru coaxial (I know, I know... but that's just the way I have it)
--image going out via HDMI to Panasonic PT-AE4000
--frame rate for BD is 24 (not activated for DVDs)

Nothing about my setup has changed from before the March firmware update, when everything had been syncing up flawlessly.

Any thoughts? Possible problem in the latest firmware??
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post #36399 of 38733
7/6/11 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by steel_breeze View Post

For a long time, I ran my Oppo 83 on an old firmware (circa October 2009), but I finally caved in and updated "on schedule" to this newest version in March of this year. I was hesitant to update, since I've never once had a problem playing a disc and I never once had any sync errors. Ever since that firmware update, I've noticed a kind of "soft sync" on some blu-rays.

The most obvious examples I've seen are TAXI DRIVER and GREASE. While watching, my wife and I will notice that the sound seems slightly out of sync, so we'll either pause or use the fast-review button for a couple seconds... and when we press "play" again, the sync will be perfect. Now I understand if a disc is just badly authored, and I understand if I've got some kind of processing going on which causes bad sync (which I don't, since it's been perfect for years)... but what would account for this kind of "sliding sync"???

Here are my relevant stats:
--sound hookup is NOT thru HDMI but thru coaxial (I know, I know... but that's just the way I have it)
--image going out via HDMI to Panasonic PT-AE4000
--frame rate for BD is 24 (not activated for DVDs)

Nothing about my setup has changed from before the March firmware update, when everything had been syncing up flawlessly.

Any thoughts? Possible problem in the latest firmware??

If this sort of "correctable" sync error is repeatable when you play through the same scene then the odds are it is in the content. Such errors are not uncommon in commercial content, and typically come and go as scenes change -- due to re-dubbing of audio and sloppy editing. When you move past the scene the sync becomes correct again.

If the sync error is NOT repeatable when you play through the same scene then the odds are it is something slipping a gear in your video path -- AVR and display. The usual culprit here is /24 processing in the display. When you interrupt the video stream (e.g., Pause), the display gets back in proper timing. Try setting 1080p/24 to OFF in the Oppo (and AVR if it also has such a setting) and see if the problem goes away.

I'm not aware of any sync problem in the new firmware.
--Bob
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post #36400 of 38733
7/6/11 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

If this sort of "correctable" sync error is repeatable when you play through the same scene then the odds are it is in the content. Such errors are not uncommon in commercial content, and typically come and go as scenes change -- due to re-dubbing of audio and sloppy editing. When you move past the scene the sync becomes correct again.

If the sync error is NOT repeatable when you play through the same scene then the odds are it is something slipping a gear in your video path -- AVR and display. The usual culprit here is /24 processing in the display. When you interrupt the video stream (e.g., Pause), the display gets back in proper timing. Try setting 1080p/24 to OFF in the Oppo (and AVR if it also has such a setting) and see if the problem goes away.

I'm not aware of any sync problem in the new firmware.
--Bob

Thanks for the quick reply, Bob. I always find your answers to be extremely helpful!

It must have something to do with the the 24-frame processing, as you suggested. I'll try turning it off as an experiment--but will be disappointed if that works since I want to watch my content at 24fps. The sync problem I'm noticing is definitely NOT repeatable. When my wife and I notice it, we'll hit the fast-review button (going backwards into the content, not forwards). When we hit "play" again, the sync will suddenly be spot-on, in the very same part of the content that had previously been out-of-sync.

I never noticed any issues like this with my ancient October 2009 firmware, even when running blu-rays at 24fps with the same projector. Contemplating jumping back; is it possible to safely reinstate a firmware that old??
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post #36401 of 38733
7/6/11 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by steel_breeze View Post

Thanks for the quick reply, Bob. I always find your answers to be extremely helpful!

It must have something to do with the the 24-frame processing, as you suggested. I'll try turning it off as an experiment--but will be disappointed if that works since I want to watch my content at 24fps. The sync problem I'm noticing is definitely NOT repeatable. When my wife and I notice it, we'll hit the fast-review button (going backwards into the content, not forwards). When we hit "play" again, the sync will suddenly be spot-on, in the very same part of the content that had previously been out-of-sync.

I never noticed any issues like this with my ancient October 2009 firmware, even when running blu-rays at 24fps with the same projector. Contemplating jumping back; is it possible to safely reinstate a firmware that old??

First, are you sure you had 1080p/24 output turned on when using the older firmware. The default setting for the older firmware was for it to be off.

Yes you can roll back to older firmware in the 83. Check the first post of this thread for the firmware history and links to older firmware.

But frankly, if your display has THIS problem with /24, it likely has others as well that you just haven't noticed. If turning /24 off cures the sync problem (still to be verified of course), then my recommendation would be that you just leave it off and use 1080p/60 output from the Oppo.

By the way, have you had any recent firmware changes in the display or AVR? That might be related. Also, many displays have settings that have unexpected side-effects on their ability to handle /24 properly. The usual culprits here are various video "enhancement" settings -- which should usually be avoided anyway. If you've turned any of those on recently, that too could be your problem.
--Bob
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post #36402 of 38733
7/6/11 at 11:46am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

First, are you sure you had 1080p/24 output turned on when using the older firmware. The default setting for the older firmware was for it to be off.

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The usual culprits here are various video "enhancement" settings -- which should usually be avoided anyway. If you've turned any of those on recently, that too could be your problem.
--Bob

Definitely had the 1080p/24 output activated on the older firmware, when I was not noticing any sync problems.

Definitely don't have any video enhancements activated on the display. I'm a purist; I actively like the "judder" of 24-frame playback and would never use any frame creation technology to get rid of it.

As a purist and a bit of a film historian, I'll be pretty upset if I have to watch my blu-rays at anything other than 24fps. What's more: the Panasonic PT-AE4000 projector has a pretty solid reputation at delivering 24fps, so I'd be surprised if it was the culprit--especially since I'm able to get the material to sync up perfectly after pausing or pressing the "rewind" button. In fact, the more I think about it, the more it sounds like a player issue to me. If it were the projector, it seems like the delay would be a constant and the material wouldn't magically fall into sync after pausing or "reviewing".

Hmm. I may play around with 60fps when I have some time. Or maybe I'll just wait until the problem becomes unbearable; right now, it's just a few titles and the rest play perfectly. I guess I was just wondering if anyone else had noticed this same kind of "sliding sync" with their blu-rays and the latest firmware.
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post #36403 of 38733
7/7/11 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

The player is also almost 2 and a half years old, so the number of firmware upgrades for the player will be much lower now.

Most of the issues have already been resolved with the latest Official Firmware. The Warner Brothers issue has been reported for some time now, but never isolated.

The only remaining issues relate to user generated media, which is primarily inflicted by errors related to AR flags being ignored, lack of 24Hz output and DLNA ignoring AVI (DivX/XviD). These issues are still to be fixed, but there is no timetable as to when this may occur.

And yes, I am ignoring the Toy Story 3 bug as outlier errors will always exist.

There is also the True Grit DVD issue.
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post #36404 of 38733
7/7/11 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by Keith Mickunas View Post

I had this exact same behavior with both discs for Fellowship, no problems with Two Towers, haven't watched the third one yet though.

I had this with the first disk of the Fellowship. I found that after resetting to factory defaults I was able to play through the entire trilogy a couple of times without further problems.
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post #36405 of 38733
7/7/11 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

There is also the True Grit DVD issue.

What "True Grit" issue? It played with zero problems on my 83SE.
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post #36406 of 38733
7/7/11 at 2:18pm
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The DVD-Video version of the film does not load. The Blu-ray is fine.
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post #36407 of 38733
7/8/11 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post
I had this with the first disk of the Fellowship. I found that after resetting to factory defaults I was able to play through the entire trilogy a couple of times without further problems.
FoTR EE worked fine for me. TT EE and RoTK EE both had this issue, though I shut down between the 1st and 2nd discs on both (I just went right on to the 2nd disc when watching FoTR EE). OFF/ON via either front button or from the remote solved the problem, but it does repeat and now on FoTR EE too. I haven't yet reset to factory defaults, but will prior to my next viewing.
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post #36408 of 38733
7/9/11 at 8:22am
The 2nd disc of FOTR i had freeze problems. I tried reverse, forward, etc. it kept freezing & skipping. It started doing it when they first meet the Tree Elves in the woods and continued for quite awhile.I ended up taking the disc out and cleaned it, although it was the 1st time out of the case, and then it worked ok. This is the first time I've had any issues with the 83. I haven't played any of the other discs yet.
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post #36409 of 38733
7/9/11 at 9:34am
I had no problems with any of the EE LotR BDs in my BDP-83, just dropped 'em in and they played...
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post #36410 of 38733
7/9/11 at 8:20pm
The sound does not advance or decline unless i keep fidelling with the remote & hope to luck out. The beam seems to be very small on oppo to make it work. Can this be fixed or did I get a lemon. I bought it 10-12-2009.
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post #36411 of 38733
7/9/11 at 8:49pm
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The sound does not advance or decline unless i keep fidelling with the remote & hope to luck out. The beam seems to be very small on oppo to make it work. Can this be fixed or did I get a lemon. I bought it 10-12-2009.

You need to be sure to point the remote directly at the IR receiver. The IR receiver is about one inch to the left of the tray as you face the player.

Have you been having this problem for the past 20 months?

Have you tried controlling your volume from close range? How far away from the player are you normally, and how fresh are your batteries? Are you sitting directly in front of the player?
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post #36412 of 38733
7/9/11 at 9:32pm
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Originally Posted by broker156 View Post

The sound does not advance or decline unless i keep fidelling with the remote & hope to luck out. The beam seems to be very small on oppo to make it work. Can this be fixed or did I get a lemon. I bought it 10-12-2009.

Start checking this by putting fresh batteries in your remote taking care to put both if them in the right way around.

With fresh batteries, get right in front of the player and confirm normal remote control operation. Then go back to your normal seating position and test again.

The remote uses infrared light. Do you have any new things in your room that get hot like a change to a plasma TV panel?
--Bob
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post #36413 of 38733
7/11/11 at 6:57am
Well, I just had to tell people who understand. I just got a new phone (HTC EVO 3d / Sprint) which I immediately upgraded to 32 G internal microSD memory (class 10). I downloaded all of my music (iTunes and MP3), to the phone, then got the Twonky app for Android.

I fired up Twonky on the phone, then launched the DLNA client on my BDP-83. The Townky Mobile server was immediately recognized; it took about 2-3 minutes for it to recognize the 1200+ songs on my phone, and then I just set it to random play. Sounded great on my Pioneer / Energy RC speakers setup.

Very nice to have music from my phone. I don't have to deal with my laptop just to get music, and I know I can use storage (and probably will), but it is just sweet to have another option.
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7/11/11 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

Well, I just had to tell people who understand. I just got a new phone (HTC EVO 3d / Sprint) which I immediately upgraded to 32 G internal microSD memory (class 10). I downloaded all of my music (iTunes and MP3), to the phone, then got the Twonky app for Android.

I fired up Twonky on the phone, then launched the DLNA client on my BDP-83. The Townky Mobile server was immediately recognized; it took about 2-3 minutes for it to recognize the 1200+ songs on my phone, and then I just set it to random play. Sounded great on my Pioneer / Energy RC speakers setup.

Very nice to have music from my phone. I don't have to deal with my laptop just to get music, and I know I can use storage (and probably will), but it is just sweet to have another option.

Very cool!
--Bob
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7/11/11 at 8:16am
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

Well, I just had to tell people who understand. I just got a new phone (HTC EVO 3d / Sprint) which I immediately upgraded to 32 G internal microSD memory (class 10). I downloaded all of my music (iTunes and MP3), to the phone, then got the Twonky app for Android.

I fired up Twonky on the phone, then launched the DLNA client on my BDP-83. The Townky Mobile server was immediately recognized; it took about 2-3 minutes for it to recognize the 1200+ songs on my phone, and then I just set it to random play. Sounded great on my Pioneer / Energy RC speakers setup.

Very nice to have music from my phone. I don't have to deal with my laptop just to get music, and I know I can use storage (and probably will), but it is just sweet to have another option.

Sounds a bit like Polish Airplay! Wish blackberry were a bit more "with it."
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7/11/11 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

Well, I just had to tell people who understand. I just got a new phone (HTC EVO 3d / Sprint) which I immediately upgraded to 32 G internal microSD memory (class 10). I downloaded all of my music (iTunes and MP3), to the phone, then got the Twonky app for Android.

I fired up Twonky on the phone, then launched the DLNA client on my BDP-83. The Townky Mobile server was immediately recognized; it took about 2-3 minutes for it to recognize the 1200+ songs on my phone, and then I just set it to random play. Sounded great on my Pioneer / Energy RC speakers setup.

Very nice to have music from my phone. I don't have to deal with my laptop just to get music, and I know I can use storage (and probably will), but it is just sweet to have another option.

Thanks for this. Didn't know Twonky had a mobile server. Just got the one for my iPhone. Very cool.
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7/11/11 at 9:39am
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Thanks for this. Didn't know Twonky had a mobile server. Just got the one for my iPhone. Very cool.

It was exciting to find it. I expect there are other servers, but Twonky is a known quantity, and came up quickly in the Android App store. I've been running it for the last week or so, at least launched it 10 times, no glitches yet. I'm running a Belkin n-router, so the wifi speed is pretty good to support this link.
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7/11/11 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

Well, I just had to tell people who understand. I just got a new phone (HTC EVO 3d / Sprint) which I immediately upgraded to 32 G internal microSD memory (class 10). I downloaded all of my music (iTunes and MP3), to the phone, then got the Twonky app for Android.
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Where to download this Twonky app? i searched on android market using "twonky" but no result is related to twonky
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post #36419 of 38733
7/11/11 at 11:23am
Anyone know of an equivalent iPhone app (that works well and is not too annoying)?
--Bob
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7/11/11 at 2:09pm
Does anybody own and, can advise of any problems playing the UK version of The Godfather Coppola Restoration [Blu-ray] (which is PAL format and supposedly All Region) on the Oppo BDP83(USA version)?
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