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Originally Posted by HDgaming42 View Post

I'll second this. I bought Sea Change solely on a recommendation and paid a fortune for it here in Canada. Worth every penny. Oddly a great album to drift asleep to...

Thanks to all. I'll pick Beck up.
post #3662 of 38733
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Originally Posted by euphonic View Post

I wish OPPO would consider using the higher-quality DACs that they chose for the 2ch analog audio for the 7.1 analog output as well. I would gladly pay another $100 or so for that. Perhaps they could have an "audiophile" version of the product at additional cost. The incremental cost of the components is not that big, it's more an issue of production volume. From what I have seen and heard, the 2ch DACs are used in some very high end equipment and therefore have the potential to make a substantial difference in SQ.

I would argue (at least from my perspective) that it makes more sense to have the higher-quality DACs for the 7.1 analog audio than the 2ch audio. Most serious audiophiles would not buy the BDP-83 to be their main 2ch player. They probably already have a good player for that. And even if one wanted to use the OPPO for high-quality 2ch analog, it could be done via the 5.1 (or 7.1) analog outputs, the unused channels would simply be silent.

In addition, one could also argue that the hi-rez audio available in multichannel, e.g., blu-ray, SACD, DVD-A, would benefit more from the advanced DACs than standard CD material.

One of the main attractions of the OPPO, compared to the competition, is that it would allow people with quality older pre/pro's without HDMI inputs to enjoy the benefits of all hi-rez multichannel formats without having to resort to analog switches (while using a separate SACD/DVDA player), or upgrading the pre/pro's.

Has anybody compared the analog sound with stereo material from the 2ch output and the FL-FR outputs of the 7.1ch? That would be a good comparison between the two DAC implementations. As we all know, it's not just the DAC chips, but the overall implementation that determines the result.

Thanks

My take is that for music, more people are interested in two channel stereo, and for blu-ray there are limited 7.1 discs. Also, even as more people move to home theater setups there's no stampede to 7.1 (my perspective).

I'm quite happy with 5.1 for movies, but when I listen to music I listen to 2 channel stereo.
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As more and more people pick up the Oppo for BD but get introduced to DVD A or SACD for the first time I would suggest that if you see an album or recommendation you like pick it up. its not going to be long before you cant pick them up anymore.
post #3664 of 38733
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Originally Posted by euphonic View Post

I wish OPPO would consider using the higher-quality DACs that they chose for the 2ch analog audio for the 7.1 analog output as well. I would gladly pay another $100 or so for that. Perhaps they could have an "audiophile" version of the product at additional cost

someone posted earlier (like yesterday I believe) that he will be considering modding his BDP-83 once he get's it. I assume he was referring to upgrading DAC's?
post #3665 of 38733
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

someone posted earlier (like yesterday I believe) that he will be considering modding his BDP-83 once he get's it. I assume he was referring to upgrading DAC's?

People are mistaken if they think DACs alone are the difference between the quality of players. There is a lot more that comes into player then simply DACs. Yes they are a big part and help, but DACs alone are the not difference between one player/processor then another.
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Originally Posted by Jason Bourne View Post

Looking forward to your comments. I also have the 6010 and Edge.

Yes, and I am very interested in your evaluation as well.
Thanks
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Add another AVS member to the list of 2nd Rounder EAPers. My first Blu-Ray and am excited to enter Blu-Ray with the Oppo 83.

BTW: I sent them a nice letter last week -- and they responded in kind. Send them a letter!

Does anyone know if the 83 plays DVD-RAMs? I know RAM is a Panasonic thing, but I was hoping the 83 would do it. Many, many Football games recorded on RAM. Thanks.
post #3668 of 38733
can the oppo bdp 83 move the subs up and down like the new philips blu ray player?

well i think if it can do that too it is going to be the best of the best
i will buy straight 100%
post #3669 of 38733
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Originally Posted by longhaul747 View Post

I think it was this move by Oppo that was flawed. They should have stuck with the explicit Early Adoption Program community list on a 1st come 1st served basis. Once all those people were satisfied then move to the Blu-Ray Interest list.

By keeping it open the whole thing snow balled. People were registering under different emails and signing up for the program days or weeks after the program started. Most of us who expressed explicit interest back in December and kept in honest got hosed.

No real way for a company to have a program like this and make everybody happy. Likely why it has never really been done before. I just hope Oppo learned a few things for next time but what is done is done. I just hope when I do eventually get one it will be the best Blu Ray player period.

hehe...I'm not a huge fan of how they did this one also, but c'est la vie. If it makes you feel any better, I was one of the original purchasers on the original 971 back in '06 and helped with debugging on that unit. I called to let them know I was interested in the BDP a couple days after they showed it at CES originally, and was one of the first 100 people on the list they've been compiling since before then, and I haven't gotten in on the EAP, either. They'll get to everyone who wants one...as long as they honor the price for the EAP, I'm fine with it. In future, though, they should just stick to the original EAP program listing, and go in order. If they want to make it democratic, use blocks of the original 100/250/500, but not the way they did this one, over the entire list.
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Originally Posted by PropHeadsRock View Post

Does anyone know if the 83 plays DVD-RAMs? I know RAM is a Panasonic thing, but I was hoping the 83 would do it. Many, many Football games recorded on RAM. Thanks.

According to the online manual it does not.

-Bill
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I am auditioning my repaired 980 (good price and quik on a 2yo device, bad loader) and noticed an irritant I have not heard mentioned: does the SloMo OSD fade or is it maintained all the while you are watching SloMo. If it is still the same - remain on screen for duration - I request a feature enhancement.
ty

Much thanx for the follow-up, wmcclain (i.e., no sSloMo at -all- which is surprising...)
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Originally Posted by johny1989 View Post

can the oppo bdp 83 move the subs up and down like the new philips blu ray player?

well i think if it can do that too it is going to be the best of the best
i will buy straight 100%

You mean subtitles? When I first read that I thought you were talking about advanced manipulation of subwoofers.

See the FAQ: Can subtitles be repositioned?

I haven't heard of a Philips Blu-ray player. It relocates Blu-Ray subtitles? Do you know the model # or have a link to the details?

-Bill
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Originally Posted by Phr3d View Post

I am auditioning my repaired 980 (good price and quik on a 2yo device, bad loader) and noticed an irritant I have not heard mentioned: does the SloMo OSD fade or is it maintained all the while you are watching SloMo. If it is still the same - remain on screen for duration - I request a feature enhancement.
ty

Hmm...memories grow dim...I confuse testing this player with the 983H...there's no SLOW button on the remote...is there a key combination that does it? It's not mentioned in the manual. Frame-by-frame works.

-Bill
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thank you,i mean subtitles
here the philips
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1123792


since its has constant height support it will move the subs up and down in a firmware up i hope
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

You mean subtitles? When I first read that I thought you were talking about advanced manipulation of subwoofers.

See the FAQ: Can subtitles be repositioned?

I haven't heard of a Philips Blu-ray player. It relocates Blu-Ray subtitles? Do you know the model # or have a link to the details?

-Bill
post #3675 of 38733
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Originally Posted by johny1989 View Post

thank you,i mean subtitles
here the philips
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1123792


since its has constant height support it will move the subs up and down in a firmware up i hope

I've been reading that thread and it's not clear how they do it or if it can be done on all discs. We need someone with hands on to report back.

The FAQ link has details on the difficulty of shifting Blu-ray subtitles.

-Bill
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For anyone interested in a catalogue of SACD discs, head to www.sa-cd.net. From there, you can order via Amazon for somewhat decent pricing. Just checked, and they list 5,274 titles!

I would also concur with Dire Straits Brothers in Arms as well as Miles Davis Kind of Blue as reference titles for really good multichannel mixes to demonstrate your system.

As for the DAC discussion, I think the present trend is to get the digital signal into the newer receivers and go from there. As such, the multichannel DAC will not be as important for that work. With my new receiver, and the processing of standard 2 channel into multichannel via Dolby IIX, I've been enjoying the sound quality of my older CDs, listening to them in a new way that opens the sound stage.
post #3677 of 38733
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Originally Posted by vancouver View Post

As more and more people pick up the Oppo for BD but get introduced to DVD A or SACD for the first time I would suggest that if you see an album or recommendation you like pick it up. its not going to be long before you cant pick them up anymore.

That's the situation that I'm in.

I'm in the 2nd EAP & this will be my first Blu-Ray player & my first player that will play SACD's & DVD-A's, so I'm starting a collection from scratch.

Is there a link to recommended available discs in SACD or DVD-A?

I already know of the thread to Blu-Ray's.
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There is a surround format area here on AVS which may answer a lot of questions for some interested in DVD A or SACD.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=112

Check out Porcupine Tree DVD Audio. These are a must IMO. They can be a little heavy at times for the average listening but they have a lot of mellow songs as well. So talented thou, and you rare find "new" bands like this where the whole album is great start to finish.

http://www.burningshed.com/store/porcupinetree/
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Originally Posted by mbushnell View Post

That's the situation that I'm in.

I'm in the 2nd EAP & this will be my first Blu-Ray player & my first player that will play SACD's & DVD-A's, so I'm starting a collection from scratch.

Is there a link to recommended available discs in SACD or DVD-A?

I already know of the thread to Blu-Ray's.

sa-cd.net
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Originally Posted by bborzell View Post

Given that I have a Rotel DVD player that cost $1,200 and it is now a doorstop, I'm somewhat entertained by folks complaining about the Oppo BDP-83 costing $500.

And I have a Texas Instrument calculator that I paid $125 for. Your point being? I don't think posters are complaining about the $500 but the appropriateness of the price point. Which, in IMO is spot on. And hasn't it been the hallmark of technology over the past few decades that prices drop over time while performance increases? Nor does OPPO appear to position themselves in the market as a hyper-upscale manufacturer.
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Originally Posted by Operon View Post

And I have a Texas Instrument calculator that I paid $125 for. Your point being? I don't think posters are complaining about the $500 but the appropriateness of the price point. Which, in IMO is spot on. And hasn't it been the hallmark of technology over the past few decades that prices drop over time while performance increases? Nor does OPPO appear to position themselves in the market as a hyper-upscale manufacturer.

Thank you, My point all along! Chas Zoss
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Originally Posted by vancouver View Post

There is a surround format area here on AVS which may answer a lot of questions for some interested in DVD A or SACD.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=112

Check out Porcupine Tree DVD Audio. These are a must IMO. They can be a little heavy at times for the average listening but they have a lot of mellow songs as well. So talented thou, and you rare find "new" bands like this where the whole album is great start to finish.

http://www.burningshed.com/store/porcupinetree/

+1 on Porcupine Tree. Flaming Lips also have a few DVD-Audio's, I think Yoshimi is a must-have....
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Regarding DVD-Audio and SACD... Some threads of interest include over on AVS's Surround Music Forum section(http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=112):

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=907608
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=607023
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=861717
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858806
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=837194
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=843141

... and many more.

And if I may add, many (not all) of rock/pop releases are discontinued or of limited availability (i.e., have to be imported from amazon.uk, bid on at ebay etc...). But IMO the "hunt" is worth it when one gets that special disc in the mail and throws it in their player. And if you dig around, you'll be surprised at what can be found. For instance the Metallica DVD-Audio was really hard to find but I just recently saw it available (new!) at the metallica web site (store.metallica.com) for less than $20 (shipping and handling makes it more expensive, but still a great deal compared to ebay - btw I'm not affiliated in anyway with metallica.com)

Another great resource for those starting on the hi-res music hunt is quadraphonic.com. In the forums there they have subforums under "Surround Music Polls " devoted to feedback on specific DVD-Audio and SACD releases, I recommend checking them out.
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Originally Posted by mbushnell View Post

That's the situation that I'm in.

I'm in the 2nd EAP & this will be my first Blu-Ray player & my first player that will play SACD's & DVD-A's, so I'm starting a collection from scratch.

Is there a link to recommended available discs in SACD or DVD-A?

I already know of the thread to Blu-Ray's.

http://store.acousticsounds.com/sacd.cfm
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For state of the art recordings in dvd-a, check out the AIX catalog here:
http://www.aixrecords.com/
At least try out their sampler and see for yourself. Cheers
JR
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Any reason why you wouldn't add ethernet streaming to the "Feature Request" list?
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Originally Posted by jerrich View Post

For state of the art recordings in dvd-a, check out the AIX catalog here:
http://www.aixrecords.com/
At least try out their sampler and see for yourself. Cheers
JR

the christmas album is a must have for anyone who likes player holiday music that time of year.
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Originally Posted by vancouver View Post

the christmas album is a must have for anyone who likes player holiday music that time of year.

This one?

Mike
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The AIX, DVD-A recording are very nice some of the best i have heard.. They will make your system
sound like you just did $$$$ upgrade. However, their Artist inventory is rather limited. But if you like one of AIX artists you will not be disappoint. I purchase the "brand new opry" just on a whim. My wife who"generally" don't like that genre loves listening to that DVD.- go figure.... Now i'm just waiting for the FW.....
db
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Originally Posted by Grubert View Post

If I might volunteer a suggestion - It'd be a good idea to have two threads: a purely technical thread and another discussing the logistics of the EAP and the player launch.

I am afraid that would not work: AVS is for technical issues and a separate thread would be problematic

We have allowed a great bit of latitude here in this thread
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