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Unfortunately no. The player does not support standard DSD.
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I bought my 83 used just a few (4?) months ago and have had no problems so far until this evening. I rented the movie "Hop" for the kids and it plays the previews, but then hangs indefinitely loading the main menu. It briefly flashes a "Universal" logo then just sits there. I took the disc back and exchanged it for the DVD version as by then my kids had moved on and they wanted to take it in the car tomorrow.

Anyway, the problem is "solved", but do you think this was just a case of a bad disc (it didn't look dirty or scratched), the start of things to come, or a known issue? I have the latest firmware.
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Originally Posted by larkowski1 View Post

I bought my 83 used just a few (4?) months ago and have had no problems so far until this evening. I rented the movie "Hop" for the kids and it plays the previews, but then hangs indefinitely loading the main menu. It briefly flashes a "Universal" logo then just sits there. I took the disc back and exchanged it for the DVD version as by then my kids had moved on and they wanted to take it in the car tomorrow.

Anyway, the problem is "solved", but do you think this was just a case of a bad disc (it didn't look dirty or scratched), the start of things to come, or a known issue? I have the latest firmware.

Next time: Erase Persistent Storage and reboot the player. Let us know if that doesn't help.

-Bill
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Anyone had trouble with the BDP-83 even recognizing a particular BD? I just tried to play "The Adjustment Bureau (Rental version, region A)" which I got from Blockbuster with my BDP-83 (multiple attempts), and one of two things happens -- it either doesn't see the disc at all (reports No Disc), or it reports Loading (I stopped it after 15 minutes).

I tried the typical erase of storage and reboot, but the behavior didn't change. The disc doesn't appear dirty, but I guess I'll try to clean it anway to see what happens. I think this is the first disc I've had this exact issue with (since May of 2009). I have had discs that stutter, or drop out, or freeze if the disc is bad, but I haven't had any issues with not seeing a disc at all. I do have the latest firmware installed.

Afterwards, just to check, I put in Back to the Future (region B) and it had no trouble recognizing and playing that one, nor did it have an issue with a region 1 DVD, so I figure it's the disc, but I wanted to know if anyone else had seen this.

I have cleaned the lens with the cleaning disc recommended by Oppo, but I have not tried to take the machine apart to do an alcohol cleaning. Since I am also having the "doesn't open if no disc is left in the player" problem, maybe it's just time to send it in and have it serviced.
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Originally Posted by dcbii View Post

Anyone had trouble with the BDP-83 even recognizing a particular BD? I just tried to play "The Adjustment Bureau (Rental version, region A)" which I got from Blockbuster with my BDP-83 (multiple attempts), and one of two things happens -- it either doesn't see the disc at all (reports No Disc), or it reports Loading (I stopped it after 15 minutes).

This is pretty standard behavior with a damaged disc.
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I'm the new owner of a Panasonic GT50 tv and I'm interested in peoples' opinions of whether I should use source direct output on the Oppo and let the tv do more of the work, or allow the Oppo to do more of the processing (if I'm understanding correctly how all of this works). I read in the FAQ on the first page of the thread that source direct is for use with high-end tvs, so I guess I'm wondering if the GT50 is considered high-end enough to qualify.
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The only way to do this is try both ways and see which gives the best results. It's really impossible to tell which will work better until you try it. It depends on the relative processing strength of the units and that can't be foretold usually.
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Originally Posted by met_fan View Post

I'm the new owner of a Panasonic GT50 tv and I'm interested in peoples' opinions of whether I should use source direct output on the Oppo and let the tv do more of the work, or allow the Oppo to do more of the processing (if I'm understanding correctly how all of this works). I read in the FAQ on the first page of the thread that source direct is for use with high-end tvs, so I guess I'm wondering if the GT50 is considered high-end enough to qualify.

Unless the TV can do inverse telecine 480i60 to 1080p24 (which I doubt) I would set the Oppo to 1080p24 and enable DVD 24p.
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I would like to thank whomever wrote the FAQ section. I recently installed new firmware in my BDP - 83, and for some reason it moved the subtitles on many of my foreign movies partly into the bottom black bar. You couldn't read them to save your life. There is nothing I could find in my original manual about being able to move subtitles. But there is on the FAQ !! Thanks - now I won't need to take a language course to understand my foreign movies.....................
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When I just fired up my 83 I was informed there is a new firmware available. Current version is the 3/07/12 edition. Oppo site does not show a new firmware. Does anyone have any information on this?
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Originally Posted by bguzman View Post

When I just fired up my 83 I was informed there is a new firmware available. Current version is the 3/07/12 edition. Oppo site does not show a new firmware. Does anyone have any information on this?

The latest version is the 0117 firmware that was released on March 7.

On rare occasions, the player can have trouble determining which version is installed already, and thus offers what's actually just a re-install of what you already have. There's no harm in doing the re-install.

Typically this will happen for the Loader portion of the firmware rather than the main firmware.

Whichever piece it is offering, it should be telling you the version it plans to install so you can see if it is actually a different version.
--Bob
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Thank you Bob,
It was in fact just the MCU portion and took only seconds, all is well.
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Any new firmware give us Netflix option?
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Originally Posted by mattg3 View Post

Any new firmware give us Netflix option?

Adding Netflix is very unlikely on the 83 platform.
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Originally Posted by mattg3 View Post

Any new firmware give us Netflix option?

I'd settle for them fixing the following DLNA issues:

* AVI's no longer work (Divx/xvid)
* MKV files are all detected as 4:3 AR
* files occasionally dont play with "unsupported format" error, when you try again they play


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I posted awhile back in the 4311 thread that when I first bought the 4311 I was seeing a weird intermittent color shift with my Oppo 83SE. This is something I never saw with my Onkyo 886. It happened again last night after I watched Gone on bluray. We had finished watching the movie and when I ejected the disc the Oppo log was orange not blue. So I put the disc back in and found the skin tones take on an Avatar type blue tint.

So I figured the best bet would be to take some pictures so everyone did not think I was totally nuts. As you can see the Oppo logo is orange. The second picture shows Amanda Seyfried with the Avatar like skin tone. Also notice the color of Amanda's eyes as they are yellow in the second picture when they are actually blue. Then the third shows the skin tone as normal by changing the 4311's input selector knob to the CD input then back to the bluray input. I would think that this issue is with the 4311 as it never happened with the 886. What would cause this odd intermittent color shift?

Bill
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^^^
You're looking at a simple handshake error for color space. Avoid using "auto" settings for color space.
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

^^^
You're looking at a simple handshake error for color space. Avoid using "auto" settings for color space.

rd,

Thanks for your suggestion. I just powered up my plasma while listening to music with my 83SE. Wouldn't you know the Oppo logo is orange again. I went into the Oppo menu and the color space setting was 4:2:2:. So I changed it to 4:4:4 and the logo is blue. If I change it back to 4:2:2 it goes back to orange. I changed it to Auto and the logo is blue then back to 4:2:2 and it is back to orange. I wonder if the 4:2:2 setting is the issue?

Bill
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post


rd,


Thanks for your suggestion
. I just powered up my plasma while listening to music with my 83SE. Wouldn't you know the Oppo logo is orange again. I went into the Oppo menu and the color space setting was 4:2:2:. So I changed it to 4:4:4 and the logo is blue. If I change it back to 4:2:2 it goes back to orange. I changed it to Auto and the logo is blue then back to 4:2:2 and it is back to orange. I wonder if the 4:2:2 setting is the issue?


Bill

No, 4:2:2 is basically what is on the disc. Nothing really to go wrong.

The conversion to picture goes.
4:2:0 on disc to 4:2:2 to 4:4:4 to RGB Display.

Anything can do the conversion. As previously said, something is mucking it up.
Could be the amp or a display is telling the Oppo the wrong colourspace info.
This is why we suggest you force the Oppo to send a colourspace so no talking
happens between the devices.
On my setup (not the norm) I decided on sending everything in RGB. It had the best
results at the display end. So all conversions are done in my 3 blu-ray players.
None of my devices including the projector are set to Auto colourspace. All are on
RGB.

I hope this helps.

Ta Dono
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Originally Posted by Badas View Post

No, 4:2:2 is basically what is on the disc. Nothing really to go wrong.
The conversion to picture goes.
4:2:0 on disc to 4:2:2 to 4:4:4 to RGB Display.
Anything can do the conversion. As previously said, something is mucking it up.
Could be the amp or a display is telling the Oppo the wrong colourspace info.
This is why we suggest you force the Oppo to send a colourspace so no talking
happens between the devices.
On my setup (not the norm) I decided on sending everything in RGB. It had the best
results at the display end. So all conversions are done in my 3 blu-ray players.
None of my devices including the projector are set to Auto colourspace. All are on
RGB.
I hope this helps.
Ta Dono

Not an oppo specific question, but are you saying that 422 is the default or correct output for blu ray disks in general? I have a sony player and am wondering whether using the 444 or 422 setting will make any difference.
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

Not an oppo specific question, but are you saying that 422 is the default or correct output for blu ray disks in general? I have a sony player and am wondering whether using the 444 or 422 setting will make any difference.

What's on the disc (both for SD-DVDs and for Blu-ray) is YCbCr 4:2:0. What that means (skipping blithely over the confounding nomenclature) is that color information is recorded only half as often horizontally AND half as often vertically as gray scale information. It is a form of data compression that reflects the basic reality that the human eye is not as sensitive to fine spatial detail in color as it is in black and white. It is done both to reduce the size of the movie file on the disc, and, equally important, to reduce the bit rate necessary to read that data off the disc fast enough to produce the required frame rate to make a movie.

It is a form of compression of the data inside each and every frame, and is distinct from what is USUALLY described as the compression codecs for these disc formats which is INTER-frame compression -- i.e., reducing the data on disc by noticing that adjacent frames are usually very similar, and thus you can record just the differences, often in terms of patches of similarity that simply shift location in the next frame or two. There are different algorithms for this -- e.g., MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 AVC -- but the point is that when the player DECODES that stuff what comes out the other end is, once again, still just YCbCr 4:2:0.

But when it comes time to light up the pixels on your display each and every pixel needs its own color!

So the YCbCr 4:2:0 has to be "color up-sampled", basically by extrapolation of the data from nearby pixels, to restore both the horizontal and the vertical color resolution. To assign a color to each and every pixel. The result is called YCbCr 4:4:4.

The work is usually done in two steps. The vertical color information is extrapolated (producing YCbCr 4:2:2) and then the horizontal color information is extrapolated (producing YCbCr 4:4:4).

The player HAS TO do at least the first part, and might do both parts. If you use RGB video data format output, then the player will always be doing both parts -- the equivalent of YCbCr 4:4:4.

It's all just math, and theoretically it doesn't matter whether the player does both parts or the display (or intervening AVR) does the second part.

The reality is that some AVRs and displays have quirks that make them work better with some video data formats than with others.

And so the answer is, there is no pat answer. You just try the different possible output formats and see which works better. Or trust the judgement of someone else who has your AVR/Display combo and has already checked this. For example, the consensus opinion here at AVS is that Pioneer Kuro displays are happiest if fed RGB Video Level as the video input data format.

Typically you won't be able to spot differences here (or in the choice of Deep Color setting) using video calibration charts -- unless the "quirks" in the AVR or Display are truly gross. Those charts are just not designed to highlight what are often subtle differences.

One way I've found helpful is to use a critical scene in Chapter 10 of "Ratatouille", Blu-ray. If you search the Oppo 93 sticky thread at the top of this forum for a post by me citing Ratatouille you'll find the details.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post


rd,


Thanks for your suggestion
. I just powered up my plasma while listening to music with my 83SE. Wouldn't you know the Oppo logo is orange again. I went into the Oppo menu and the color space setting was 4:2:2:. So I changed it to 4:4:4 and the logo is blue. If I change it back to 4:2:2 it goes back to orange. I changed it to Auto and the logo is blue then back to 4:2:2 and it is back to orange. I wonder if the 4:2:2 setting is the issue?


Bill

Evidently your display does not like YCbCr 4:2:2 video data format as input. It happens. Check the owner's thread for your Display. This might be a known problem, and there might be a firmware update available for the Display.

Note that your choice of Deep Color setting may also be affecting whether the Display handles the YCbCr 4:2:2 input correctly.

The Auto setting in the player simply uses what the Display publishes as it's preferred input format during the handshake. Auto is probably using YCbCr 4:4:4. NOTE: Just because the Display marks it as "preferred" doesn't necessarily mean it will be "best". You still have to check the possibilities and make your own evaluation.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 6/7/12 at 12:17am
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^^^^^^^^

Good answers.

Exactly what I was trying to say. Any piece of equipment can do the converting,
however some are better than others. All displays have to convert to RGB in the
end tho.wink.gif

Ta Dono:)
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The volume control gets hung up after a few uses especially with SACD material. Has anyone else noticed this? Obviously its not normal. I have to turn off and restart the 83 for its Vol. Control to work again.

my AVR has a sleep timer on it. It would be nice if the 83 also could have one incorporated into it to autamatically turn off as it is also a media audio player.
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

Not an oppo specific question, but are you saying that 422 is the default or correct output for blu ray disks in general? I have a sony player and am wondering whether using the 444 or 422 setting will make any difference.

What's on the disc (both for SD-DVDs and for Blu-ray) is YCbCr 4:2:0. What that means (skipping blithely over the confounding nomenclature) is that color information is recorded only half as often horizontally AND half as often vertically as gray scale information. It is a form of data compression that reflects the basic reality that the human eye is not as sensitive to fine spatial detail in color as it is in black and white. It is done both to reduce the size of the movie file on the disc, and, equally important, to reduce the bit rate necessary to read that data off the disc fast enough to produce the required frame rate to make a movie.

It is a form of compression of the data inside each and every frame, and is distinct from what is USUALLY described as the compression codecs for these disc formats which is INTER-frame compression -- i.e., reducing the data on disc by noticing that adjacent frames are usually very similar, and thus you can record just the differences, often in terms of patches of similarity that simply shift location in the next frame or two. There are different algorithms for this -- e.g., MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 AVC -- but the point is that when the player DECODES that stuff what comes out the other end is, once again, still just YCbCr 4:2:0.

But when it comes time to light up the pixels on your display each and every pixel needs its own color!

So the YCbCr 4:2:0 has to be "color up-sampled", basically by extrapolation of the data from nearby pixels, to restore both the horizontal and the vertical color resolution. To assign a color to each and every pixel. The result is called YCbCr 4:4:4.

The work is usually done in two steps. The vertical color information is extrapolated (producing YCbCr 4:2:2) and then the horizontal color information is extrapolated (producing YCbCr 4:4:4).

The player HAS TO do at least the first part, and might do both parts. If you use RGB video data format output, then the player will always be doing both parts -- the equivalent of YCbCr 4:4:4.

It's all just math, and theoretically it doesn't matter whether the player does both parts or the display (or intervening AVR) does the second part.

The reality is that some AVRs and displays have quirks that make them work better with some video data formats than with others.

And so the answer is, there is no pat answer. You just try the different possible output formats and see which works better. Or trust the judgement of someone else who has your AVR/Display combo and has already checked this. For example, the consensus opinion here at AVS is that Pioneer Kuro displays are happiest if fed RGB Video Level as the video input data format.

Typically you won't be able to spot differences here (or in the choice of Deep Color setting) using video calibration charts -- unless the "quirks" in the AVR or Display are truly gross. Those charts are just not designed to highlight what are often subtle differences.

One way I've found helpful is to use a critical scene in Chapter 10 of "Ratatouille", Blu-ray. If you search the Oppo 93 sticky thread at the top of this forum for a post by me citing Ratatouille you'll find the details.
--Bob

The Spears&Munsil Blu-ray test disc has a pattern called "Chroma Zone Plate" that was made specifically for picking the correct colorspace. The disc was actually included in the box of the first batch of Oppo BD players.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by manoharshetty9 View Post

The volume control gets hung up after a few uses especially with SACD material. Has anyone else noticed this? Obviously its not normal. I have to turn off and restart the 83 for its Vol. Control to work again.
my AVR has a sleep timer on it. It would be nice if the 83 also could have one incorporated into it to autamatically turn off as it is also a media audio player.

If you are playing SACD media, then it is possible that the player is outputting SACD DSD. When you are doing SACD DSD, then the player's volume controls are not active.

If you are using HDMI, then you might want to enable HDMI CEC (Device Setup). This way when the television or receiver are turned off automatically due to the sleep timer, the player is turned off as well.
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I am posting this in all the Oppo threads because I want to make sure everyone is notified so they can contribute. Please post any responses in the DLNA thread. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1215071



I asked the developers of PS3 Media Server, which is now called Universal Media Server smile.gif, to include the latest config files for the BDP-83 and BDP-93 in the setup process. They also included unique icons of the players that show up in the main window. cool.gif

Would the folks that use this DLNA server please test the latest version that I just compiled and verify that it is working correctly? You will need to uninstall PMS (or at least make sure it isn't running) for UMS to work. I don't own a BDP-83 so I definitely need help testing that player with UMS. I also want to make sure that the config files are optimized as best as possible. In addition, I want to make sure that the 83 is recognized correctly (I have already verified that the 93 is).

Make sure to take a look at the config files it installs closely and let me know if any changes need to be made to either config file.

In the end it will be nice to not have to do anything other than install the program for us Oppo owners.

Here is the link to my latest build:

http://www.4shared.com/file/ARQJ03nN/UMS-setup.html
Edited by counsil - 6/8/12 at 12:23am
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

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Originally Posted by manoharshetty9 View Post

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If you are playing SACD media, then it is possible that the player is outputting SACD DSD. When you are doing SACD DSD, then the player's volume controls are not active.

If you are using HDMI, then you might want to enable HDMI CEC (Device Setup). This way when the television or receiver are turned off automatically due to the sleep timer, the player is turned off as well.

The Vol. Control operates even with DSD as per one of the firmware versions. I use an 83SE analogue outs. My AVR does not have HDMI. I was referring to music playback only in case one does fall asleep while listening to music.
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Originally Posted by counsil View Post

I am posting this in all the Oppo threads because I want to make sure everyone is notified so they can contribute. Please post any responses in the DLNA thread. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1215071
I asked the developers of PS3 Media Server, which is now called Universal Media Server smile.gif, to include the latest config files for the BDP-83 and BDP-93 in the setup process. They also included unique icons of the players that show up in the main window. cool.gif
Would the folks that use this DLNA server please test the latest version that I just compiled and verify that it is working correctly? You will need to uninstall PMS (or at least make sure it isn't running) for UMS to work. I don't own a BDP-83 so I definitely need help testing that player with UMS. I also want to make sure that the config files are optimized as best as possible. In addition, I want to make sure that the 83 is recognized correctly (I have already verified that the 93 is).
Make sure to take a look at the config files it installs closely and let me know if any changes need to be made to either config file.
In the end it will be nice to not have to do anything other than install the program for us Oppo owners.
Here is the link to my latest build:
http://www.4shared.com/file/ARQJ03nN/UMS-setup.html

I'll give it a go. Will download and install tonight and see what happens. Will report back this weekend,
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