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post #38191 of 39277
Lies in the metadata? I really don't know the details.
--Bob
post #38192 of 39277
Back on topic, this old BDP-83 really is a jolly good machine. I have watched hundreds of BDs on it without a single problem or playability issue. biggrin.gif

Just as a test, I was able to load up two known problematic titles tonight: Prometheus and Crank 2.

Crank 2 loaded fine with the stock 1GB internal memory, while other players needed extra memory to load it.
post #38193 of 39277
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Originally Posted by William Moore View Post

Last night, I got out my BD of "Toy Story 3" (great movie BTW) and it has both DTS MA7.1 and DTS ES6.1 soundtracks and the menu gives you the choice of either, so i picked the 6.1ES track and it played back fine thru the coax digital out with my receiver doing the actual decoding. I should have checked my analog outs from the player to see if this track was internally decoded as well, but at least the Oppo passed the 6.1 track thru. This disc also has a "THX Optimizer-like" section which, among other video test patterns, allows you to do a "round-robin" audio test with pink noise to check channel balance and assignment. All levels" by ear" appeared to be close, although I noticed during the movie that all the surround channels were somewhat low. Tonight I'll check the analog outs from the 83 thru my receiver to see if the Oppo decodes 6.1. I'll bet it does.

Toy Story, some of the other Disney Pixars, and Terminator 2 Skynet edition are all examples of blu-rays with 5.1ES soundtracks (the 6.1 on the case of the latter is a confirmed typo). These movies have always had some kind of matrixed rear channel in the mix, which is how they were designed for cinemas. I wouldn't expect this information to be suddenly stripped from the mix for the blu-ray releases, just because it's not part of the DTS-HD Master Audio spec, so it should be there for the taking, if your hardware can decode it.

I understood all the posts stating that these Oppos do not decode the matrixed rear channel, but what I didn't realize was that the on-screen display doesn't even identify them as 5.1ES. I guess these Oppos are totally oblivious to it, whether they are doing the decoding or set to bitstream, and I never noticed. Also the last time I tested these titles was on my Sony players that DO display them as 5.1ES, regardless if they are doing the decoding or set to bitstream.
post #38194 of 39277
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Originally Posted by 117olddude View Post

The display I see on the TV screen is when I choose Audio using my remote (in this case my Harmony One) and I get a display page of all audio options. I have to assume that it is coming from the Oppo.

There IS a bug in the Oppo display that pops up when you press the audio button on the remote. Normally when I play Toy Story 3 the Oppo window indicates:
  1. DTS-HDMA 7.1 (highlighted)
  2. DTS-HDMA 5.1
  3. etc.

After selected 5.1ES via the disc menu and starting a scene in the movie the Oppo window incorrectly indicated:
  1. DTS-HDMA 5.1
  2. DTS-HDMA 5.1 (highlighted)
  3. etc.

After selecting 1 via the Oppo window it correctly displayed:
  1. DTS-HDMA 7.1 (highlighted)
  2. DTS-HDMA 5.1
  3. etc.

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However, if you read my complete post above, you may have noticed that Oppo, in its direct reply to my email, says there's an issue with decoding the 7.1 track. Neuromancer says there's an issue with MediaTek. Somewhere in the thread is a discussion of the chip in the 83 not being able to handle a 7.1 track if there's a second 7.1 track on the disc, but I couldn't find it (in which it was posited that there is a lossy track conversion going on).

I think you can forget all that if you can confirm that your player is set to bitstream not PCM? Is it possible you are just seeing some form of the display bug in the Oppo pop-up menu with the Dreamworks titles?
post #38195 of 39277
I've posted several times that I am bit streaming. Read my posts and you will see that my setup is correct. For whatever reason the Oppo can't handle (or display the correct info on) some discs. Oppo has had several responses to this (and to me), which I have also posted. I assume that a 7.1 signal is reaching my receiver, as the receiver shows that to be the case. The issue is that the rears have a much lower volume than the rest of the speakers. Is this a chip issue? Probably. When I get around to buying a 103, I assume I'll have a more definitive answer (if the signal has more equal volume across all speakers AND the display is correct).
post #38196 of 39277
Thread Starter 
If you are BIt Streaming then the issue is with your receiver decoding the audio, not with the transportation from the player. The limited UI information is due to the track not being discrete 7.1. It is 5.1 with ES or EX extensions, so the player only reports it as 5.1. As long as the receiver is reporting Dolby Digital TrueHD or DTS-HD Master, then you are getting the full 7.1 information.
post #38197 of 39277
As I keep saying, 7.1 signals from different companies react in different ways (other discs are fine). The discs we are discussing do have 7.1 showing up on the display of the receiver, as does TrueHD. It's merely a matter of how much oomph the rears have on these particular discs (I used the Oppo audio settings to up the rears to +10db and lowered the rest and things seem a bit better). The Oppo OSD on the TV reports 5.1, nothing to do with the receiver (which gets no video signal). And Oppo has basically said that it is an Oppo 83 issue. We just seem to go round and round on this (for the past year) with three discs. I'm ok with it, I'm over it, it's some kind of limitation of the 83 and discs encoded this way. I'm just going to buy a 103 and move the 83 into the bedroom where it will play through the tv speakers. Not a biggie, as I'm looking forward to getting the 103. Now, if my receiver still has issues when using the 103, then I will mea culpa here, but I don't think I will need to. Especially when Oppo has responded twice to my emails that there are problems with some discs and the chip in the 83.
post #38198 of 39277
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Originally Posted by 117olddude View Post

As I keep saying, 7.1 signals from different companies react in different ways (other discs are fine). The discs we are discussing do have 7.1 showing up on the display of the receiver, as does TrueHD. It's merely a matter of how much oomph the rears have on these particular discs (I used the Oppo audio settings to up the rears to +10db and lowered the rest and things seem a bit better). The Oppo OSD on the TV reports 5.1, nothing to do with the receiver (which gets no video signal). And Oppo has basically said that it is an Oppo 83 issue. We just seem to go round and round on this (for the past year) with three discs. I'm ok with it, I'm over it, it's some kind of limitation of the 83 and discs encoded this way. I'm just going to buy a 103 and move the 83 into the bedroom where it will play through the tv speakers. Not a biggie, as I'm looking forward to getting the 103. Now, if my receiver still has issues when using the 103, then I will mea culpa here, but I don't think I will need to. Especially when Oppo has responded twice to my emails that there are problems with some discs and the chip in the 83.

Hang on! If you are successfully modifying the speaker levels by changing the settings in the OPPO, then you are *NOT* using HDMI Bitstream output. Those speaker level control settings in the OPPO only affect the player's multi-channel ANALOG outputs.

What everyone is suggesting you do for playing these 7.1 discs is to use HDMI Bitstream. To be sure that's what you are using, temporarily disconnect the Analog audio output cables from the back of the OPPO. That way you can't possibly hear the Analog audio by mistake.

What you appear to be describing is that your receiver reports it is getting 7.1 input on HDMI but, despite that, you are actually LISTENING to the player's Analog outputs instead -- which of course produce audio which is the result of decoding the Bitstream inside the player -- just the thing you are trying to avoid.
--Bob
post #38199 of 39277
Bitstream bitstream bitstream. BITSTREAM!!!!!! H-D-M-Freakin' I. No analogs. None. Nada. Oppo Settings>Audio Processing>Speaker Configuration>Downmix Mode 7.1>each speaker>Trim. Since I can HEAR sound changes when I change db using Trim, and since my rears are much louder now that I upped rears Trim and lowered the rest, and since I AM BITSTREAMING AND HAVE NO ANALOG CABLES, I think, just maybe, I've boosted the rears and lowered the rest.
post #38200 of 39277
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Originally Posted by 117olddude View Post

Bitstream bitstream bitstream. BITSTREAM!!!!!! H-D-M-Freakin' I. No analogs. None. Nada. Oppo Settings>Audio Processing>Speaker Configuration>Downmix Mode 7.1>each speaker>Trim. Since I can HEAR sound changes when I change db using Trim, and since my rears are much louder now that I upped rears Trim and lowered the rest, and since I AM BITSTREAMING AND HAVE NO ANALOG CABLES, I think, just maybe, I've boosted the rears and lowered the rest.

Something very weird is going on here. Those settings DO NOT ALTER the speaker volumes for HDMI audio output. You can't alter speaker volumes in a digital Bitstream anyway. It has to be decoded first.

If changing those settings in the OPPO is producing volume differences on your HDMI Audio Bitstream output then your player is broken. Do you follow what I'm saying? What you are reporting is not how the player is supposed to work.

I'm tempted to ask you to post a photo showing the rear panel of your 83.
--Bob
post #38201 of 39277
OK, a quick mea culpa. I checked the Oppo manual, yep, analog only. I think what must have happened is while messing with everything (in every menu of every device I could find- including finding a receiver menu that allowed me to switch ES and EX ON), I switched the Receiver to Straight (non-processing) mode from its standard DVD setting. So when I did that, it sounded like the rears boosted (I was jumping from setting to setting, trying everything- probably not the right way to track down an issue). In any event, my receiver is now sending a straight from the Oppo signal to my speakers, without doing any eq or decoding. I just tried doing a trim and you are right, no effect. It was doing a trim and then switching to Straight that caused the apparent boost. Too much all at once trouble shooting. (:

However, I still think that the 7.1 I get from discs like Golden Compass and Iron Man 2 sounds better than from Panda 2 and Madagascar 3. And I look forward to using a 103.
post #38202 of 39277
OK, that makes sense. I guess the next step is for your 103 to arrive, and then we'll see. smile.gif
--Bob
post #38203 of 39277
Bob, I don't think this is possible but would the volume trims in the Oppo have any effect with PCM over HDMI?

Anyway, even on a properly calibrated system I often find rear channels in 7.1 movies disappointingly low. It's just the way they are mixed - more seems to be going on in the sides.


Stefan - AVphile
post #38204 of 39277
No, those speaker volume trims don't affect levels in any of the digital audio outputs. They just affect the multi-channel Analog outputs.

But you are quite correct that many movies are mixed with non-aggressive surround fields. Keep in mind that quite a few of the movies sold on disc as 7.1 are actually derived from theatrical tracks which were 5.1.
--Bob
post #38205 of 39277
Hi, want to get bdp-83 from ebay. I wanted to know about picture quality of dvd's rips into mkv with makemkv. Is the quality of the rip of dvd the same as the physical dvd or worse? If I rip it to a single vob file will it look like origanal dvd or not? I also wanted to know if the dvd24p feature works with dvd rip into the these containers. I have over 500 dvds and wanted to know which format will be better with no quality lost from original dvd's since 83 does a good job at upconverting dvds. Last question does 83 only upconvert physical dvd's to better picture quality?
post #38206 of 39277
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Originally Posted by megamanwilson View Post

Hi, want to get bdp-83 from ebay. I wanted to know about picture quality of dvd's rips into mkv with makemkv. Is the quality of the rip of dvd the same as the physical dvd or worse? If I rip it to a single vob file will it look like origanal dvd or not? I also wanted to know if the dvd24p feature works with dvd rip into the these containers. I have over 500 dvds and wanted to know which format will be better with no quality lost from original dvd's since 83 does a good job at upconverting dvds. Last question does 83 only upconvert physical dvd's to better picture quality?

MakeMKV does no transcoding so the video data is the same 480i mpeg2 as on the disc. Quality is the same.

VOB will also have the same quality, but I would use MKV. It is a more commonly supported container and you have the tools to add in multiple audio tracks, both VOBSUB and SRT subtitles, and chapters.

DVD 24p works only with the original disc, not media file copies.

You get the same deinterlacing and scaling from MKV containers as with the original DVD disc.

-Bill
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

MakeMKV does no transcoding so the video data is the same 480i mpeg2 as on the disc. Quality is the same.
VOB will also have the same quality, but I would use MKV. It is a more commonly supported container and you have the tools to add in multiple audio tracks, both VOBSUB and SRT subtitles, and chapters.
DVD 24p works only with the original disc, not media file copies.
You get the same deinterlacing and scaling from MKV containers as with the original DVD disc.
-Bill

Thanks, that help me a lot. I have a bdp-93 and the dvd upscaling is not that great. I was told that bdp-83 is better at upscaling dvd's even better than the new bdp-103.
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Originally Posted by megamanwilson View Post


Thanks, that help me a lot. I have a bdp-93 and the dvd upscaling is not that great. I was told that bdp-83 is better at upscaling dvd's even better than the new bdp-103.

I really like the DVD performance of the ABT chips, too, but between all these players we are talking differences that don't show up on test patterns. So they are very subtle and depend on subjective tastes.

-Bill
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does the 83 recognize ntfs hdd?
post #38210 of 39277
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Originally Posted by megamanwilson View Post

does the 83 recognize ntfs hdd?

No, not on an attached drive.

If you're using DLNA then the server takes care of that and the player doesn't know anything about the file systems used.

-Bill
post #38211 of 39277
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

No, not on an attached drive.
If you're using DLNA then the server takes care of that and the player doesn't know anything about the file systems used.
-Bill

Thanks. So I would have to download something like twonkey and leave the computer on with the hdd so the 83 will see it?

Is there another way like: ext4, ext3?

is there a firmware update for ntfs or firmware hack?
post #38212 of 39277
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Originally Posted by megamanwilson View Post


Thanks. So I would have to download something like twonkey and leave the computer on with the hdd so the 83 will see it?

If you want to use DLNA then yes you will need a DLNA server running somewhere. People use PC software but many NAS also have DLNA.
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Is there another way like: ext4, ext3?

No, FAT only on the -83. The -93 and -103 add NTFS.
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is there a firmware update for ntfs or firmware hack?

No.

A lot of your questions are answered in the BDP-83 FAQ linked in my signature.

-Bill
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

If you want to use DLNA then yes you will need a DLNA server running somewhere. People use PC software but many NAS also have DLNA.
No, FAT only on the -83. The -93 and -103 add NTFS.
No.
A lot of your questions are answered in the BDP-83 FAQ linked in my signature.
-Bill

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Originally Posted by megamanwilson View Post


would something like this work with 83? BUFFALO LS-X2.0TL 2TB LinkStation Live Network Storage

Very likely. You might ask in the OPPO DLNA thread to see if anyone else is using it: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1215071/oppo-bdp-83-dlna-upnp-thread

-Bill
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Very likely. You might ask in the OPPO DLNA thread to see if anyone else is using it: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1215071/oppo-bdp-83-dlna-upnp-thread
-Bill

Thanks for all your help. I will look at that thread.
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I just turned on my oppo 83 and received a firm
Ware update. anyone know what update was about? I was current from march. I don't see anything on the oppo support website. Just curious. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Cujo74 View Post

I just turned on my oppo 83 and received a firm
Ware update. anyone know what update was about? I was current from march. I don't see anything on the oppo support website. Just curious. Thanks!

Just checked mine and no update since the BDP83-59-0117B  check your version

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Originally Posted by Cujo74 View Post

I just turned on my oppo 83 and received a firm
Ware update. anyone know what update was about? I was current from march. I don't see anything on the oppo support website. Just curious. Thanks!

Not an uncommon event. The player sometimes mis-reads the files on the server. Can safely be ignored or installed, no difference.
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

DVD 24p works only with the original disc, not media file copies.
You get the same deinterlacing and scaling from MKV containers as with the original DVD disc.
-Bill

That may be true for .mkvs, but it is not true in general ("media file copies"). I have streamed .mpgs ripped from DVDs to the -83, and it worked beautifully. Perhaps you're thinking of the -93?
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Originally Posted by lsarver View Post

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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

DVD 24p works only with the original disc, not media file copies.
You get the same deinterlacing and scaling from MKV containers as with the original DVD disc.
-Bill

That may be true for .mkvs, but it is not true in general ("media file copies"). I have streamed .mpgs ripped from DVDs to the -83, and it worked beautifully. Perhaps you're thinking of the -93?

You're getting 24p from 480i60 media file sources? I have not seen that.

-Bill
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