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post #38281 of 39280
Well, I'm satisfied. Oppo says it will repair my 3-year-old 83 for free. I just pay shipping there ($19). I already received an email from Oppo saying they have received the unit and are working on it. I like the player, but there have been some annoying issues from time to time, like Netflix discs that won't play. But the tray not opening has been the most serious problem. Overall, I'm satisfied with its performance; SACD and DVD Audio are nice extras as well.
post #38282 of 39280
I've had my bdp-83 since May of 2009. I purchased the 2-year extended warranty in April of 2010. I've had no problems until just recently -- now the loader doesn't open every time.
When it doesn't open on the first go, I press in and down gently on the closed tray, then hit the eject button. So far that has cleared the problem. The next few times I hit eject it works, too. I've only had problems after it has been powered off (not unplugged) for a day or two.
post #38283 of 39280
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Originally Posted by dundakitty View Post

I've had my bdp-83 since May of 2009. I purchased the 2-year extended warranty in April of 2010. I've had no problems until just recently -- now the loader doesn't open every time.
When it doesn't open on the first go, I press in and down gently on the closed tray, then hit the eject button. So far that has cleared the problem. The next few times I hit eject it works, too. I've only had problems after it has been powered off (not unplugged) for a day or two.

A workaround for now is to leave a disc in the tray when you power off the player. Even though you are out of warranty, give OPPO a call and they'll go over options with you.
--Bob
post #38284 of 39280
I received an email tonight from Oppo. My 83 is repaired and I'll be receiving it tomorrow. Wow; out on Monday, back by Friday. Not bad.
post #38285 of 39280
It's the kind of service and turnaround Oppo is famous for.
post #38286 of 39280
Anyone else run into this?

Every now and then the player will lose sync when skipping chapters (forward or backwards). The video is fine, but the audio tuns into mostly digital noise. You must stop the movie and restart it for the audio to sync up properly again. Jumping to another chapter doesn't help.

I'm guessing the handshaking on the audio goes wonky.
post #38287 of 39280
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Originally Posted by pdxfj View Post

Anyone else run into this?

Every now and then the player will lose sync when skipping chapters (forward or backwards). The video is fine, but the audio tuns into mostly digital noise. You must stop the movie and restart it for the audio to sync up properly again. Jumping to another chapter doesn't help.

I'm guessing the handshaking on the audio goes wonky.
Actually this is more likely an AVR issue. When you interrupt the audio stream like that, the AVR has to find the handle on the digital audio stream again. Typically AVRs will mute audio until that has happened. Now, sometimes an AVR fails to recognize the incoming digital audio as a valid stream. Most will just leave audio muted in that case, but some will lift the mute ANYWAY and thus you get noise.

Try both LPCM and Bitstream output to see which works better with your AVR. Also consider upgrading HDMI cables as there may be an HDMI retry happening which is what's causing the AVR to fail to pick up the valid digital audio (due to the timing of the retry). Improved cables may eliminate the need for a retry.

As a test for this, try running at 1080i video for a while instead of 1080p. If that eliminates this audio glitch, then that's a pretty good indication cabling quality is involved.
--Bob
post #38288 of 39280
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Originally Posted by jediturtle View Post

Oh man! Total head slap moment. I apparently turned ON BD-Live at some point...I'm pretty sure it was almost a year ago playing with that Orb caster thingy. I forgot all about that and assumed it was off last night. I erased the persistent storage, but didn't think to check BD-Live. Just did it now and guess what? Yup...loaded that puppy up no problem. I should have known. Thanks much for the reminder Bill! I'll be watching some web slinging tonight! smile.gif

Oh man...thanks for that. I don't use my Oppo as much as I use the HTPC but this one was stumping me. I'll have to log this for future reference...and REMEMBER to erase that Persistent Storage as well, the ONE thing I didn't do.

Now watching The Amazing Spider-Man on my Oppo BDP-83 all thanks to you guys!
post #38289 of 39280
My 83 has gotten a lot of use over the years and is still working "perfectly" except for one little niggle: the loader drawer is very fussy about staying open. Whether controlled from the front panel or remote. Not quite the same as others have mentioned, in my case the drawer easily opens but then immediately closes again. I can't get a handle on the circumstances, but it doesn't matter if there's a disc already in the loader. It's like the 83 is going through some kind of process and will only allow the drawer to stay open when it's in a certain state. Has anybody else seen this? It's been going on for a few months, so not from a FW update or anything like that.
post #38290 of 39280
I watched Brave last night and noticed several audio drop outs during the movie. Haven't had this problem before and this was just during normal play back (bitstream to an Integra 80.3).

Has there been a firmware upgrade that missed?
post #38291 of 39280
The last firmware release was March of this year. I played the same movie last night on my 83SE, but to the analog outs using the 83's decoding. There were no dropouts for me.
post #38292 of 39280
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Originally Posted by cfraser View Post

My 83 has gotten a lot of use over the years and is still working "perfectly" except for one little niggle: the loader drawer is very fussy about staying open. Whether controlled from the front panel or remote. Not quite the same as others have mentioned, in my case the drawer easily opens but then immediately closes again. I can't get a handle on the circumstances, but it doesn't matter if there's a disc already in the loader. It's like the 83 is going through some kind of process and will only allow the drawer to stay open when it's in a certain state. Has anybody else seen this? It's been going on for a few months, so not from a FW update or anything like that.

I just checked my player, which to be honest doesn't get a lot of use these days as I tend to stick with streaming and my HTPC, and when the drawer is open it only takes the slightest of pushes to make it shut. I wonder if something is going on in yours with that mechanism that detects a push and as soon as it opens it thinks it's being pushed shut again.

You might open it up and see if you can find any screws or any other sign of a tension adjustment that could be made on that mechanism.
post #38293 of 39280
Ive never had a problem but Ive never opened or closed the draw with anything but the remote.I have been using it at least 20 hours a week for three years.
post #38294 of 39280
I have an 83, only use HDMI out, don't play SACD 's, use an external vp, and the majority of my movies are Bluray, don't have interest in Netflix.

Other than maybe speed of operation and up-conversion when I do watch a DVD, is there any reason to upgrade to the 103 or 105?
post #38295 of 39280
Thread Starter 
Unless you need to playback more audio formats (APE, FLAC, WAV), more video formats (m2ts/ts, BDMV on attached storage, MOV), need streaming services, then there really is no need to upgrade. The core disc performance is identical.
post #38296 of 39280
^^ Specifically as regards SD-DVD playback. In addition to dramatically increased speed of operation, the 103/105 also offer better DVD 24p Conversion than the 83.

They also offer the ability to decode Rear channel information matrixed into DD-EX and DTS-ES 5.1 tracks.

If you use the Analog outputs (instead of HDMI audio), the 103/105 both have improved Analog output quality compared to the 83.

The 103/105 also have no fan -- so no fan noise.

There are other benefits to the 103/105, but these are the ones that will apply during SD-DVD playback.

For Blu-ray playback, the most noticeable difference will be speed of operation. However, there are also audio decoder improvements for Blu-ray as well
--Bob
post #38297 of 39280
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^^ Specifically as regards SD-DVD playback. In addition to dramatically increased speed of operation, the 103/105 also offer better DVD 24p Conversion than the 83.
They also offer the ability to decode Rear channel information matrixed into DD-EX and DTS-ES 5.1 tracks.
If you use the Analog outputs (instead of HDMI audio), the 103/105 both have improved Analog output quality compared to the 83.
The 103/105 also have no fan -- so no fan noise.
There are other benefits to the 103/105, but these are the ones that will apply during SD-DVD playback.
For Blu-ray playback, the most noticeable difference will be speed of operation. However, there are also audio decoder improvements for Blu-ray as well
--Bob


When you said audio decoder improvements, do you mean DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD audio?
post #38298 of 39280
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post

When you said audio decoder improvements, do you mean DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD audio?

Both. This is when the player is doing the decode (HDMI LPCM output or Analog audio output).

However, the places where the differences exist are fairly rare track format configurations.

As an example, the rarely found DTS-HD MA 192KHz 5.1 track format gets decoded on the 83 as 96KHz. The 103/105 decode it as 192KHz.
--Bob
post #38299 of 39280
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Both. This is when the player is doing the decode (HDMI LPCM output or Analog audio output).
However, the places where the differences exist are fairly rare track format configurations.
As an example, the rarely found DTS-HD MA 192KHz 5.1 track format gets decoded on the 83 as 96KHz. The 103/105 decode it as 192KHz.
--Bob

Who has a 192kHz 5.1 DTS-MA track?

Of course there's Akira, but that's Dolby TrueHD.
post #38300 of 39280
^ It will mostly be found on music discs, such as 2L "The Nordic Sound", Blu-ray.
--Bob
post #38301 of 39280
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^^ Specifically as regards SD-DVD playback. In addition to dramatically increased speed of operation, the 103/105 also offer better DVD 24p Conversion than the 83.
They also offer the ability to decode Rear channel information matrixed into DD-EX and DTS-ES 5.1 tracks.
If you use the Analog outputs (instead of HDMI audio), the 103/105 both have improved Analog output quality compared to the 83.
The 103/105 also have no fan -- so no fan noise.
There are other benefits to the 103/105, but these are the ones that will apply during SD-DVD playback.
For Blu-ray playback, the most noticeable difference will be speed of operation. However, there are also audio decoder improvements for Blu-ray as well
--Bob

Let me ask here -- I have an 83SE. My MC listening is done via HDMI through a Denon 4311CI. I use the analog stereo outputs for 2.1 channel CD listening. I am running a cheap Panny 3D Bluray
for 3D movies, and the audio is just awful.

My question -- should I spring for the 103? I can give the Panny to the kids, use the 83SE for analog two channel listening where it shines.

Any thoughts? Thanks.
post #38302 of 39280
^ Well if you watch enough 3D, there's no point listening to screwed up sound from the Panny.

I think you'll be amazed at the speed improvement in the 103.

And you'll be able to set up the 2.1 Analog output configuration as well. Even though the 105 gets all the attention for its Analog, really the Analog out of the 103 is a significant step up from the 83 and 93. I think if you do try the 103, you should definitely see if it can replace the 83se for your 2.1 Analog configuration. Then you can resell the 83se.

Or you could check out the 105, expecting that you can resell the 83se.
--Bob
post #38303 of 39280
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Originally Posted by Friendly Fire View Post

Let me ask here -- I have an 83SE. My MC listening is done via HDMI through a Denon 4311CI. I use the analog stereo outputs for 2.1 channel CD listening. I am running a cheap Panny 3D Bluray
for 3D movies, and the audio is just awful.
My question -- should I spring for the 103? I can give the Panny to the kids, use the 83SE for analog two channel listening where it shines.
Any thoughts? Thanks.

I would get the 103 and the 83se analog 2 ch. FYI, the 103 has a few bugs that are being worked on currently.
post #38304 of 39280
I have been getting drop outs on a few movies, The Amazing Spider man I cant watch either from the loud Snap Crackle Pop to no sound at all for 10 minutes then it come on the off again, Same with Star Wars and a few other newer releases. Aeon Flux played fine.

Anyone else have issues?

Athanasios
post #38305 of 39280
Thread Starter 
Try using LPCM instead of Bit Stream.

Try changing your HDMI cable to ensure that your current cable is not defective or working improperly.
post #38306 of 39280
Hi Everyone,

I have an 83 and have just one quick question. Is the sound quality on blu-rays and cd's better using HDMI or better using the 7 analog inputs or outputs whichever it is. Right now I am using HDMI (bitstream) for movies and 2.2 analog for CD's. Am I getting maximum quality sound with this connection or should I do something different? If so please explain. Also do you think I would benefit from upgrading to the 103. My listening breakdown is 60/40 movies over cd's. Thank you so much for your help and expertise.
post #38307 of 39280
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

I watched Brave last night and noticed several audio drop outs during the movie. Haven't had this problem before and this was just during normal play back (bitstream to an Integra 80.3).
Has there been a firmware upgrade that missed?

I noticed the same thing. I experienced audio drops in Brave at 1:14:33 and 1:24:40. I was able to reproduce the drops at the same times on a Panny BD player I have as well. Switching to LPCM on the 83 cleared up the drops. Haven't had time to try LPCM on the Panny yet. Both of my BD players have 7.1 analog outs, and when I get some time I will try both of them that way.

One other subtle but noticeable mixing error is a change in the tone and pitch of Mary McDonald's voice during her narration in the beginning. At 4:38-4:41 is where you would hear it. This is the same on both of my BD players and using LPCM does not change anything.

I'm using an Onkyo NR808 as a pre/pro (it only runs my surrounds). Everything is up to date firmware wise. Also using LPCM seems to tame the brightness and takes the edge off the major volume changes in the soundtrack.

The audio mix in Brave is one of the most impressive use of the surrounds in my 7.2 system I've heard to date.

Curious to see if those who have experienced drops in Brave have them show up at the same times as I do.
post #38308 of 39280
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Originally Posted by pdxfj View Post

I noticed the same thing. I experienced audio drops in Brave at 1:14:33 and 1:24:40. I was able to reproduce the drops at the same times on a Panny BD player I have as well. Switching to LPCM on the 83 cleared up the drops..

Those time codes might correspond to the "seamless branching" break points. If one was sufficiently curious, one could look at the multiple files that are stitched together in this movie and plot right where the breaks are for time codes. There are 6 or 8 separate files, one of which is the bulk of the movie and the rest are pretty short in duration and fall near the beginning and near the end. This is all part of the copy protection, and if you rip the wrong title set you get the pieces in the wrong order with a warning video interspersed. Certainly not the first title using seamless branching where people reported playback issues.
post #38309 of 39280
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Originally Posted by golffnutt View Post

Hi Everyone,

I have an 83 and have just one quick question. Is the sound quality on blu-rays and cd's better using HDMI or better using the 7 analog inputs or outputs whichever it is.

On the player we call them outputs.

It's going to depend on your receiver. With the 7.1 analog outputs you are using the players DACs. With HDMI or other digital outputs you are using the receiver DACs.

If your receiver has room correction this is likely only available for it's digital inputs.

-Bill
post #38310 of 39280
Thanks. 103 on the way.
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