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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Try using LPCM instead of Bit Stream.
Try changing your HDMI cable to ensure that your current cable is not defective or working improperly.

I'm not using HDMI audio. I have tried both via Coax. Still the same.

Hmm

Nashou
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Does the 103/5 *really* do DVD/24 *better* than the 83? Remember that this is the feature OPPO told us was unnecessary/doesn't work very well/etc. in the 83 so that's why the 93/5 didn't have it. We think the 83 greatly out-performs the 93 with DVDs, not even a close call into the Pio TV. So what is it? Anybody have both 83 and 103/5 to compare DVD/24? Have way too many BDPs already, can't use the excuse of a "spare" one this time... Thanks.
post #38313 of 39277
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Originally Posted by cfraser View Post

Does the 103/5 *really* do DVD/24 *better* than the 83? Remember that this is the feature OPPO told us was unnecessary/doesn't work very well/etc. in the 83 so that's why the 93/5 didn't have it. We think the 83 greatly out-performs the 93 with DVDs, not even a close call into the Pio TV. So what is it? Anybody have both 83 and 103/5 to compare DVD/24? Have way too many BDPs already, can't use the excuse of a "spare" one this time... Thanks.

The feature was added to the -93 when they figured out how to do it and carried forward into the -103.

I tried DVD 24p on the -83 only briefly. I could see frequent jerkiness at edit points. To my eyes the -103 is much better.

That said, I don't think it is a very important feature. It's history is given in the -93 FAQ.

-Bill
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Originally Posted by cfraser View Post

Does the 103/5 *really* do DVD/24 *better* than the 83? Remember that this is the feature OPPO told us was unnecessary/doesn't work very well/etc. in the 83 so that's why the 93/5 didn't have it. We think the 83 greatly out-performs the 93 with DVDs, not even a close call into the Pio TV. So what is it? Anybody have both 83 and 103/5 to compare DVD/24? Have way too many BDPs already, can't use the excuse of a "spare" one this time... Thanks.

Yes, the 103/105 really DO do DVD 24p Conversion better than the 83. The 103/105 also do SD-DVD upscaling better than the 93.

The problem with DVD 24p Conversion on the 83 is that if the Conversion loses the thread on the cadence you will get distinct tearing of the image that's impossible to ignore. On the 103/105 you get a brief stutter. Indeed the 103/105 handle discs that CAN'T be converted (video rate discs) with so little fuss and muss that I worry people will leave Conversion turned on in them all the time, even for discs where it clearly should never be used.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by nashou66 View Post

I have been getting drop outs on a few movies, The Amazing Spider man I cant watch either from the loud Snap Crackle Pop to no sound at all for 10 minutes then it come on the off again, Same with Star Wars and a few other newer releases. Aeon Flux played fine.

Anyone else have issues?

Athanasios

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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Try using LPCM instead of Bit Stream.
Try changing your HDMI cable to ensure that your current cable is not defective or working improperly.

I'm not using HDMI audio. I have tried both via Coax. Still the same.

Hmm

Nashou

First, check that you have the latest firmware in your 83. Compare Setup > Device Setup > Firmware Information against the version numbers shown on OPPO's Support page for the 83 -- also shown in the firmware history portion of the first post of THIS thread. Check all 3 parts of the firmware for a match: Main, Loader, and Sub/MCU. If you aren't up to date, do the update now -- call OPPO if you have a problem getting the update.

Next, you say you are not using HDMI for audio. Are you using Analog audio outputs or just the Optical/Coax Digital audio outputs?

If just using Optical/Coax, do try changing out the cable, as it is possible for those cables to get damaged. For Coax, make sure the cable you are using is a "shielded" coax cable. For Optical, the cable can be damaged inside its sheath if it gets stepped on or kinked around corners. The optical ends of the cable can also get fingerprints on them, or can be blocked by dust in the socket.

If you have the option of hooking up Analog audio, try that, even just temporarily. That would be the equivalent of using LPCM audio over HDMI -- i.e., the player does the decoding. If there is no noise on the Analog hookup, then odds are the problem is actually in your Receiver's handling of the Optical/Coax input. Depending on the age of your receiver, for example, it may not handle DTS Bitstreams, or it may have a limitation on the rate of LPCM input it can handle. Check the Manual for your receiver. Unlike HDMI, Optical/Coax require you to set the player to only send signals the Receiver can handle -- there's no "handshake" to negotiate that automatically.
--Bob
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The 83 still has better buttons than the 93/103 for feeling your way in the dark. I haven't seen any good pics, perhaps because the new 103/105 players have the same look as the 93/95 which is nothing to get excited about?
Edited by AVfile - 11/20/12 at 1:04am
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Thread Starter 
The BDP-103/105 are actually easier to navigate as the buttons are discrete buttons (rather than being a on a radial rocker) and each button is clearly felt as there is a gap between the button and the front panel.

The Eject button is also backlit, so you can see it in the dark.
post #38318 of 39277
Had several drop-outs on Brave last night. HDMI.
post #38319 of 39277
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Originally Posted by grubavs View Post

Had several drop-outs on Brave last night. HDMI.

Any chance you can post up the times of the drop outs?
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Originally Posted by grubavs View Post

Had several drop-outs on Brave last night. HDMI.

Any chance you can post up the times of the drop outs?

Also specify whether LPCM or Bitstream.

-Bill
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Hi,
Hopefully a simple answer to this one. I want to use the analogue outs on the 83 for playing mp3 music via USB, but also see the menu over hdmi via my AV receiver. How do I set my Onkyo TX NR5008 (or any AV amp) to do this without the audio reverting to hdmi audio??
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Originally Posted by Wavod View Post

Hi,
Hopefully a simple answer to this one. I want to use the analogue outs on the 83 for playing mp3 music via USB, but also see the menu over hdmi via my AV receiver. How do I set my Onkyo TX NR5008 (or any AV amp) to do this without the audio reverting to hdmi audio??

You can turn off HDMI audio in the player. Is the receiver not cooperating? Is there a forum for the Onkyo?

-Bill
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Thanks Bill,
Found the problem. On the Onkyo you have to assign the HDMI input to the analogue input you want to use. It means if I want to see the menu while listening to 2-channel analogue audio via USB I have to assign it, then when I want to use the 83 for blu ray (hdmi sound and vision) usage re-assign the HDMI to the BD input.
May be a simpler way, I don't know? If not at least I know how to view my mp3's in the menu now. Thanks for your speedy response.
post #38324 of 39277
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Originally Posted by Wavod View Post

Thanks Bill,
Found the problem. On the Onkyo you have to assign the HDMI input to the analogue input you want to use. It means if I want to see the menu while listening to 2-channel analogue audio via USB I have to assign it, then when I want to use the 83 for blu ray (hdmi sound and vision) usage re-assign the HDMI to the BD input.
May be a simpler way, I don't know? If not at least I know how to view my mp3's in the menu now. Thanks for your speedy response.


With most AVRs its a simple matter of assigning the analog stereo input to a different input than the HDMI. Then you just switch the AVR back and forth to those 2 different inputs. If you have the analog assigned to the same input as the HDMI, the AVR will default to HDMI for audio.
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Originally Posted by Wavod View Post

Thanks Bill,
Found the problem. On the Onkyo you have to assign the HDMI input to the analogue input you want to use. It means if I want to see the menu while listening to 2-channel analogue audio via USB I have to assign it, then when I want to use the 83 for blu ray (hdmi sound and vision) usage re-assign the HDMI to the BD input.
May be a simpler way, I don't know? If not at least I know how to view my mp3's in the menu now. Thanks for your speedy response.
I have an Onkyo 3009 and the Oppo 83SE. For movies I have the HDMI from the OPPO going to the BD input as you do. For 2-channel analog listening I have the L/R 2-channel outs on the 83SE to one of my 2 channel inputs on the 3009. To view the menus I also have the yellow composite video from the 83SE connected to the composite input for the video input I use for the 2-channel audio. The menu displays, but of course it's only 480i, crappy but sufficient for menus.
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Originally Posted by pdxfj View Post

Any chance you can post up the times of the drop outs?

Hi. Sorry about the delay... Thanksgiving. I cannot, I didn't make notes. However, it definitely happend several times during the movie and 3-times during the closing credits (I know the number because I hardly ever watch closing credits and was surprised to have them dropout).
post #38327 of 39277
Bitstream... Oppo 83 -> HDMI -> Onkyo 805.
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Also specify whether LPCM or Bitstream.
-Bill

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Originally Posted by pdxfj View Post

Any chance you can post up the times of the drop outs?

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Originally Posted by grubavs View Post

Had several drop-outs on Brave last night. HDMI.
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wmcclain i have an onkyo 809 av receiver i use with my bdp-83 hooked up with hdmi ,if i switch to using lpcm 5.1 outpits on oppo will i get better sound/ i have a few sacds ,dvd-as, and blu ray concerts and i want to be sure i get the best possible sound,example the neil yong blu ray americana has 24 bit/192 stereo pcm,oh oh i think that means i need to use the 5.1 outputs on the back of the oppo 83 to get ulta -high resolution sound instead of hdmi??? i'm confused ,i thought using hdmi bitstream was the way to go to get the best sound ??? I expect neil youngs psycedelic pill bluray this week and want the best quality sound with my system !!thanks to anyone that can help me figure this out!!
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Originally Posted by celticpride View Post

wmcclain i have an onkyo 809 av receiver i use with my bdp-83 hooked up with hdmi ,if i switch to using lpcm 5.1 outpits on oppo will i get better sound/ i have a few sacds ,dvd-as, and blu ray concerts and i want to be sure i get the best possible sound,example the neil yong blu ray americana has 24 bit/192 stereo pcm,oh oh i think that means i need to use the 5.1 outputs on the back of the oppo 83 to get ulta -high resolution sound instead of hdmi??? i'm confused ,i thought using hdmi bitstream was the way to go to get the best sound ??? I expect neil youngs psycedelic pill bluray this week and want the best quality sound with my system !!thanks to anyone that can help me figure this out!!

See the FAQ: Should I perform audio decoding in the player or in the receiver?

Results should be the same. Recent discussion of LPCM vs Bitstream is because several player/avr combinations are having trouble bitstreaming audio from the BRAVE Blu-ray without dropouts.

-Bill
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thanks will check faq. Maybe i'm just overthinking this thanks again for your quick reply.
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Posted this in the BD software section as well..

Since clearing persistent storage and hooking my 83 back up to the internet, I have not been able to reproduce the audio drops.

I also finished up my parents media room over the thanksgiving weekend and using a Panny BD player with a referb. Onkyo AVR, there were no audio drops when viewing Brave. Both of their devices are hooked to the internet and all firmware is up to date. Used Bitstream.

I normally leave BD players disconnected from the 'net because of annoying BD live content. Only hook them up for firmware updates.

Can anyone who has Brave check on something for me? I am curious to see if I have a bad disc or if the audio mix is bad. Listen for a change in the narrator's voice from 4:38-4:41. It's the same for me on three different BD players and two different AVRs. Makes no difference between Bitstream or LPCM.
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Anybody have an issue playing Louie: Season 1, the BD side (of a BD/DVD flipper)? My 83 is rejecting it ("No Disc"), but the DVD side plays. All my other BDPs play the BD side. I ask because this is the first disc ever the 83 has (unfixably) choked on, in fact it plays damaged stuff that the other machines reject, so I'm surprised. I have no other BD/DVD flippers, intentionally, and I didn't notice this series used them until too late, so I can't really judge anything with just the one title. Thanks. No worries, mostly just curious at this point.
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I noticed a distinct and repeatable audio problem with SACD today. I am using the bdp-83 with hdmi and SACD output via LPCM. In stereo mode, it's totally fine. However, in multi-channel mode, I have a distinct audio error in the right surround channel. It's sort of a "blip" twice every second. It's as if one of the other channels is mixed in with the right surround for just a fraction of a second. This happens throughout all tracks, and is more obvious the louder the overall track is. I have tried multiple SACDs and so far every one does this. I also checked a couple blu-rays, also output via LPCM, and none of them do this (and this should rule out my preamp as a culprit). I am thinking something is wrong with SACD in particular. Has anyone observed this? Could someone try a multi-channel SACD and pay close attention to the right surround and let me know if you hear anything odd? Thanks....
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Thread Starter 
Do you have a HDMI cable connected to the player? If yes, and you remove this cable, do you experience the same playback errors?
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I only have HDMI connected to the player. I have not tried an analog connection between the player and the preamp. I do have a video processor in between the bdp-83 and the preamp, but I also tried with the video processor out of the loop and got the same result. Are you suggesting trying just 5.1 analog?
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Originally Posted by amt View Post

I noticed a distinct and repeatable audio problem with SACD today. I am using the bdp-83 with hdmi and SACD output via LPCM. In stereo mode, it's totally fine. However, in multi-channel mode, I have a distinct audio error in the right surround channel. It's sort of a "blip" twice every second. It's as if one of the other channels is mixed in with the right surround for just a fraction of a second. This happens throughout all tracks, and is more obvious the louder the overall track is. I have tried multiple SACDs and so far every one does this. I also checked a couple blu-rays, also output via LPCM, and none of them do this (and this should rule out my preamp as a culprit). I am thinking something is wrong with SACD in particular. Has anyone observed this? Could someone try a multi-channel SACD and pay close attention to the right surround and let me know if you hear anything odd? Thanks....

Might be interesting if you can cook up a few 24/88.2 multichannel files for testing, and play them from USB. See if you get the same issue. I'm wondering if your processor has some sort of issue with that sampling rate.
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Originally Posted by amt View Post

I noticed a distinct and repeatable audio problem with SACD today. I am using the bdp-83 with hdmi and SACD output via LPCM. In stereo mode, it's totally fine. However, in multi-channel mode, I have a distinct audio error in the right surround channel. It's sort of a "blip" twice every second. It's as if one of the other channels is mixed in with the right surround for just a fraction of a second. This happens throughout all tracks, and is more obvious the louder the overall track is. I have tried multiple SACDs and so far every one does this. I also checked a couple blu-rays, also output via LPCM, and none of them do this (and this should rule out my preamp as a culprit). I am thinking something is wrong with SACD in particular. Has anyone observed this? Could someone try a multi-channel SACD and pay close attention to the right surround and let me know if you hear anything odd? Thanks....

No such problem here. Are you running the latest firmware in your 83?

Tested with the 5.1 layer from "Stay in Tune with PentaTone", SACD. HDMI LPCM output to my Anthem Statement D2v. 5.1 speaker configuration.

I checked both louder and softer volume tracks.

I also checked test tracks 43-48 which send noise bursts out to the 5.1 channels one at a time. There is no cross channel bleed, and there is nothing unusual in the Right Surround itself.

I put my ear right up to the Right Surround to make sure I'd hear anything like this despite the audio coming from the other speakers. I also compared against Left Surround -- no difference.

The most likely explanation is that your AVR is having trouble with 88.2KHz 5.1 LPCM input (which is what the 83 sends out for SACD 5.1 PCM on HDMI). 88.2KHz is not a rate you are likely to find on any Blu-ray tracks, which is probably why you have not heard this when checking LPCM from Blu-rays.



ETA: I just noticed your additional comment about also having a separate video processor in the HDMI path. Yes, you should test with that removed. HDMI audio is embedded inside the HDMI video signal -- not a separate signal -- so it is certainly POSSIBLE for a video processor to screw it up.

And yes, testing using the 5.1 Analog outputs will be very useful. If the problem happens with Analog output then it is much more likely to be a problem in your player. If it does NOT happen with Analog output, then that's pretty strong evidence the problem is in your sound processor.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 11/28/12 at 7:56am
post #38338 of 39277
Thanks for checking, Bob. I am on the latest firmware.

FWIW, I already tested with the video processor removed and no difference.

The sampling rate difference between SACD and blu-ray has me intrigued. I did not pick up on that difference last night (just assumed both were 48 or 96). I noticed the Oppo can limit sampling rate for LPCM to 192/96/48 does that apply to SACD? If so, would it then limit to 44/88?

Rdgrimes, where could I get such 24-bit/88.2-KHz multichannel files? Are there any artists who offer their music for download in that format?
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^ No the sample rate limit setting you are thinking of only applies to the Optical/Coax outputs, and SACD can not be played on those outputs at all.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by amt View Post

Thanks for checking, Bob. I am on the latest firmware.
FWIW, I already tested with the video processor removed and no difference.
The sampling rate difference between SACD and blu-ray has me intrigued. I did not pick up on that difference last night (just assumed both were 48 or 96). I noticed the Oppo can limit sampling rate for LPCM to 192/96/48 does that apply to SACD? If so, would it then limit to 44/88?
Rdgrimes, where could I get such 24-bit/88.2-KHz multichannel files? Are there any artists who offer their music for download in that format?

There are a few DVD-A discs with 24/88 audio, one is "Riding With The King" by Eric Clapton.

But you can re-sample any 5.1 WAV file to 24/88 with a tool like Foobar, EAC, etc. Download a sample file from http://www.2l.no/ (test bench HD audio files page) and use that.

Here's one of my favorites: http://www.lindberg.no/hires/test/HDMCH7041888514725_01_01.flac
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