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post #39001 of 39280
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Originally Posted by snowghost View Post

'splain Lucy. What is the risk with NAT and attendant Firewall?
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

I guess you can hide underground if it suits you. But merely connecting a BD player to the internet doesn't give away your specifics on the LAN side of a router properly configured.
No, not that.

My point is so many on AVS have had problems setting up the config and establishing a connection with players, etc. which doesn't require massive amounts of Tylenol and gnashing of teeth that it just isn't worth the time or bother in the first place.

I, and most others, don't care about BD-Live.
Nor do I care about FW updates (which are unlikely at this point in the 83's life) any longer.
SHOULD there be an update, I can download it to disk, thumbdrive, etc.

There really isn't a good reason to have an Ethernet cable connected to the 83 right now.wink.gif
post #39002 of 39280
^ There are examples of discs out there which won't load UNLESS BD-Live is enabled -- even if the player is not actually connected to a network. That's shoddy disc programming of course, but there it is.
--Bob
post #39003 of 39280
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Originally Posted by Christobalito View Post

Okay, I am about done. For the fifth or sixth time this year, I have my family gathered around to watch a new movie only to disappoint everyone with technical difficulties. The time, it's The Heat, with Sandra Bullock. That time, I see the Fox fanfare, the a big red screen, WARNING- you need to upgrade your blu-Ray player's firmware.... "Warning", like Fox is somehow "protecting" me. I have gotten by some of these situations in the past by doing the usual hokey pokey (PS, reset, reboot 20 times.... This time, NOTHING WORKS. The big red screen is screams FU to me that I paid a LOT of money for a premium piece of hardware 3 years ago that will become more and more useless thanks to the movie studio's relentless pursuit to outsmart the bootleggers, who will continue to thrive regardless of the collateral damage of this Joe Schmo, who just wants to have a laugh with his family via his Netflix subscription.

BD is losing me. OPPO has lost me. DAMN I miss my tried and true laserdiscs.

Thanks for letting me vent.

C

First of all, given the games studios are playing these days, it is wise to preview a disc BEFORE getting the gang together to view it. I.e., at least to make sure it loads and you already know what disc menu settings you want to use.

Now, I just checked, and I didn't spot any groundswell of complaints about this title, so it may be you just got a damaged copy. It happens. But Fox is just about the most aggressive studio out there in shipping screwy programming on discs to try to make life more difficult for disc copiers, so it wouldn't surprise me if they've done it once again with this one.

Email OPPO Tech Support with the details. Include the bar code number from the disc packaging so they can be sure they are looking at the same exact release of this title. If there's a problem with the disc, they may already have history on it. Also tell them the firmware version you have in the 83.

Sometimes they even know workarounds to get past such disc programming glitches.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

But Fox is just about the most aggressive studio out there in shipping screwy programming on discs to try to make life more difficult for disc copiers, so it wouldn't surprise me if they've done it once again with this one.

I know it probably goes without saying, but the OTHER (and ironic) way to try to watch the movie you purchased is to do exactly what they are trying to prevent. Personal Blu-ray backups tend to have significantly fewer compatibility issues, and in some cases, they may even be your only workable option.
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ There are examples of discs out there which won't load UNLESS BD-Live is enabled -- even if the player is not actually connected to a network. That's shoddy disc programming of course, but there it is.
--Bob
I do remember during BD's infancy there was some of this problem, however, I believe player FW ultimately neutered this programming screw-up.

IIRC, BD-Live is NOT mandatory for a BD release, but is an optional feature.

Bob, has there been any recent releases where this has turned out to be the case?
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^ I don't track this stuff, but the last one I recall was a European title from early this year.
--Bob
post #39007 of 39280
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Originally Posted by Christobalito View Post

Okay, I am about done. For the fifth or sixth time this year, I have my family gathered around to watch a new movie only to disappoint everyone with technical difficulties. The time, it's The Heat, with Sandra Bullock. That time, I see the Fox fanfare, the a big red screen, WARNING- you need to upgrade your blu-Ray player's firmware.... "Warning", like Fox is somehow "protecting" me. I have gotten by some of these situations in the past by doing the usual hokey pokey (PS, reset, reboot 20 times.... This time, NOTHING WORKS. The big red screen is screams FU to me that I paid a LOT of money for a premium piece of hardware 3 years ago that will become more and more useless thanks to the movie studio's relentless pursuit to outsmart the bootleggers, who will continue to thrive regardless of the collateral damage of this Joe Schmo, who just wants to have a laugh with his family via his Netflix subscription.

BD is losing me. OPPO has lost me. DAMN I miss my tried and true laserdiscs.

Thanks for letting me vent.

C

I am confused. Are you playing a store bought disc, rental, or copied disc, or Netflix?
post #39008 of 39280
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

I am confused. Are you playing a store bought disc, rental, or copied disc, or Netflix?

It's a Netflix disk. Brand new as The Heat was available via Netflix starting Tuesday, the day I received in in the mail. ALL disks I have had problems with have been rental copies. May be a coincidence, but I really don't buy BDs like I used to buy DVDs.
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Can you connect the sub analog output direct to powered sub imput . I think i have a bad sub and this should let me know if it is the sub or my receiver. Thanks.
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Yes, you can. You can then also use the Oppo's test signals to verify your sub's condition.
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Hi All -

Haven't used my Oppo to play discs for a few months. I just put in the new Tommy Blu-Ray disc, and was very disappointed that there was no sound from the rear speakers when I selected the DTS Master HD audio track.

I noticed that the Oppo was reporting the disc properly as DTS audio when I selected that sound track, but my Sony ES receiver is just seeing PCM stereo, no matter which sound mode I select on the Oppo. I checked a couple of other DTS discs that i know USED to work fine, but they will not play properly either. Dolby Digital 5.1 surround works fine, but no DTS Master HD. All of the settings look fine to me on the Oppo - audio output is set to bitstream.

I tried re-seating the HDMI cables and powering everything down and back up with no luck. Obviously, I have to determine if the issue is with my Oppo or my Sony receiver. I'm not sure where I am going to get another blu-ray player I can try.

In the meantime, has anyone heard of this issue with the Oppo, or have any other settings / suggestions I could try?

Thanks,
Tom
post #39012 of 39280
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Originally Posted by slumkid View Post

Hi All -

Haven't used my Oppo to play discs for a few months. I just put in the new Tommy Blu-Ray disc, and was very disappointed that there was no sound from the rear speakers when I selected the DTS Master HD audio track.

I noticed that the Oppo was reporting the disc properly as DTS audio when I selected that sound track, but my Sony ES receiver is just seeing PCM stereo, no matter which sound mode I select on the Oppo. I checked a couple of other DTS discs that i know USED to work fine, but they will not play properly either. Dolby Digital 5.1 surround works fine, but no DTS Master HD. All of the settings look fine to me on the Oppo - audio output is set to bitstream.

I tried re-seating the HDMI cables and powering everything down and back up with no luck. Obviously, I have to determine if the issue is with my Oppo or my Sony receiver. I'm not sure where I am going to get another blu-ray player I can try.

In the meantime, has anyone heard of this issue with the Oppo, or have any other settings / suggestions I could try?

Thanks,
Tom

Do you have Secondary Audio on? What if you turn it off?

-Bill
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Hi Bill -

Thanks for your reply.

I had secondary audio on, but I have now turned it off. No Change. I have also tried setting the HDMI output to LPCM, but the stereo only;y sees LPCM 2 channel stereo whether I select Bitstream or LPCM out..

What's interesting to me is that the stereo reports the same thing whether I select the stereo or DTS master audio from the disc, but the sound is clearly different (it always reports 2 channel LPCM). I'm not sure if that has any bearing on my problem, but it seems weird to me. It almost seems like the receiver is either not getting or not processing the center and rear channels when I select the DTS audio track.
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On the AVR side, one cause could be that your AVR has been set to pass audio to the TV via HDMI. In that case its the TV that's handshaking for stereo PCM.
post #39015 of 39280
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

On the AVR side, one cause could be that your AVR has been set to pass audio to the TV via HDMI. In that case its the TV that's handshaking for stereo PCM.

Thanks, unfortunately, I can't find any settings on my AVR to turn off audio through HDMI out. I did make sure my TV was set to use the external amp for sound rather than the built-in speakers.

I dug into this a little more today, and it turns out that the ONLY mufti-channel discs that are working correctly are Dolby Digital and Dolby Tru HD.. DTS and DTS Master HD do not work. SACDs do not work, and DVD audio discs do not work. In all of these cases, the Oppo display indicates the correct format, but my receiver says it is seeing stereo PCM@48khz. At least , that is the case with the Oppo HDMI output set to either Auto or Bit-stream (I have the bit rate max at 192). If I switch the Oppo HDMI to LPCM, the the AVR sees EVERYTHING as stereo, even the Dolby Digital and Tru HD.

I have tried re-seating the HDMI cable, using a different HDMI input on my AVR, and every setting I can think of on my AVR and the Oppo. I guess my next steps will be to try and swap out the cable of borrow another Blu-ray player.

Is there any thing I described that makes it an obvious problem with either the AVR or the Oppo? I might have a hard time finding a another player I can borrow, so if there's something obvious here, I's rather not worry about that.

Thank
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What is the make and model of your AVR?
post #39017 of 39280
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Originally Posted by slumkid View Post

Thanks, unfortunately, I can't find any settings on my AVR to turn off audio through HDMI out. I did make sure my TV was set to use the external amp for sound rather than the built-in speakers.

I dug into this a little more today, and it turns out that the ONLY mufti-channel discs that are working correctly are Dolby Digital and Dolby Tru HD.. DTS and DTS Master HD do not work. SACDs do not work, and DVD audio discs do not work. In all of these cases, the Oppo display indicates the correct format, but my receiver says it is seeing stereo PCM@48khz. At least , that is the case with the Oppo HDMI output set to either Auto or Bit-stream (I have the bit rate max at 192). If I switch the Oppo HDMI to LPCM, the the AVR sees EVERYTHING as stereo, even the Dolby Digital and Tru HD.

I have tried re-seating the HDMI cable, using a different HDMI input on my AVR, and every setting I can think of on my AVR and the Oppo. I guess my next steps will be to try and swap out the cable of borrow another Blu-ray player.

Is there any thing I described that makes it an obvious problem with either the AVR or the Oppo? I might have a hard time finding a another player I can borrow, so if there's something obvious here, I's rather not worry about that.

Thank
Do you have youir video output resolution for HDMI set to at least 720p on the Oppo? If not, all multi-channel audio reverts to two-channel stereo. This sounds like what you are getting but that you are decoding True HD and Dolby Digital seems to contradict this. If it is not this Oppo setting, then it has to be something on your AVR end.
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Originally Posted by slumkid View Post

Hi All -

Haven't used my Oppo to play discs for a few months. I just put in the new Tommy Blu-Ray disc, and was very disappointed that there was no sound from the rear speakers when I selected the DTS Master HD audio track.

I noticed that the Oppo was reporting the disc properly as DTS audio when I selected that sound track, but my Sony ES receiver is just seeing PCM stereo, no matter which sound mode I select on the Oppo. I checked a couple of other DTS discs that i know USED to work fine, but they will not play properly either. Dolby Digital 5.1 surround works fine, but no DTS Master HD. All of the settings look fine to me on the Oppo - audio output is set to bitstream.

I tried re-seating the HDMI cables and powering everything down and back up with no luck. Obviously, I have to determine if the issue is with my Oppo or my Sony receiver. I'm not sure where I am going to get another blu-ray player I can try.

In the meantime, has anyone heard of this issue with the Oppo, or have any other settings / suggestions I could try?

Thanks,
Tom

As stated above, the most likely explanation is that you've made some change you have forgotten about in your AVR such that it is "passing through" HDMI Audio. I.e., the OPPO is actually handshaking for audio with your TV (THROUGH the AVR) which can likely receive Dolby Digital, but can not receive either DTS or multi-channel LPCM.

To test this, set output Resolution 1080p, turn Secondary Audio OFF and set HDMI Audio LPCM in the 83. Play a disc with a 5.1 DTS track -- you should now be having the problem. Use the Info button on the OPPO to confirm that the 5.1 DTS track is actually playing (bottom left). But your AVR is seeing stereo LPCM, right?

Now, while this is happening, unplug the HDMI output cable from the AVR to your Display.

That should result in a new HDMI handshake. What do you get now for audio when that handshake completes?

If you lose audio altogether, change your AVR to a different Input and then back to the Input from the 83 -- still with the HDMI output cable to the Display unplugged. That will Force a new handshake so the audio can come back.

NOTE: If you normally have other output cables attached to the 83, unplug them for this test so that you ONLY have the HDMI cable from the 83 to the AVR.
--Bob
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You people are the best, Thank you!

The problem was indeed a setting on my amp, and I finally fond it. I had HDMI set to AMP/TV rather than just AMP.

I'm a recent cable-cutter and I must have messed with one too many settings when I first eliminated my DirecTV box. I changed my setup a few times until I finalized it, and I still don't remember why or when I would have changed that particular setting on my amp.

I really appreciate everyone's input. Its fantastic to have a resource like this and so many people willing to help. Hope I get to return the favor some day.
post #39020 of 39280
^ Suddenly! As if by Logic! biggrin.gif

Glad you found the wayward setting. Enjoy!
--Bob
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Help! first 3d wont play no idea why... details:

Alright, a couple years ago I jumped onto the 3d bandwagon and bought a Vizio 55" 3d TV, two pairs of the powered 3d goggles, and an Oppo BDP-83 blue ray DVD player. The receiver is a Denon AVR-1910. The Denon and Oppo were chosen as of the advice found here at AVS and they are fantastic.

Well it looks like the 3d fad may be passing and my next TV wont have 3d so I decided to finally buy a 3d title and check it out. I bought Top gun of course which showed up today.

Wouldnt play, all I get is a blue info screen telling me I need a 3d compatible DVD player with the latest firmware, and 3d TV . So I upgraded the Oppo to the latest firmware, and still wont play. I found the TV has a choice between 3 different 3d nodes and tried them all. I think this movie is "sensio" based on web searching.

So now Im stuck.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!
post #39022 of 39280
The -83 is not a 3D player.

-Bill
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Plus the receiver too.
post #39024 of 39280
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

Plus the receiver too.
That wouldn't be a problem as all 3D capable Oppo's have dual HDMI outputs to deal with that.
post #39025 of 39280
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Originally Posted by slumkid View Post

You people are the best, Thank you!

The problem was indeed a setting on my amp, and I finally fond it. I had HDMI set to AMP/TV rather than just AMP.

I'm a recent cable-cutter and I must have messed with one too many settings when I first eliminated my DirecTV box. I changed my setup a few times until I finalized it, and I still don't remember why or when I would have changed that particular setting on my amp.

I really appreciate everyone's input. Its fantastic to have a resource like this and so many people willing to help. Hope I get to return the favor some day.

Give Bob's post a "thumbs up".
post #39026 of 39280
So, to be clear: nobody ever has experienced a momentarily increased/audible high-pitched drive noise while watching a movie?
post #39027 of 39280
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

So, to be clear: nobody ever has experienced a momentarily increased/audible high-pitched drive noise while watching a movie?
Are you going to just keep asking this question in every Oppo thread you can find until someone gives you the answer you're looking for? Neuromancer already answered your question in one of the other threads and the answer is simple - it wouldn't be normal and contact Oppo for repair options if you're experiencing such an issue.
post #39028 of 39280
well, I sent mine in.
The rest is up to god.
post #39029 of 39280
Hi Everyone,

I have an issue I do not understand and am looking for some help with it.

I planned to start collecting Blu-Ray disc after I bought my Oppo Bdp-83. I enjoy music so I had the factory add the special edition upgrade. Just wonderful!! Could not be happier with the hardware.

My setup is the 83 connected to a Yamaha RX-V665. I have connected the 83 using an HDMI cable and 5.1 multi.

My question is -- when Multi-channel is selected, why do some discs show video and others do not. I have set the pass through to display each of the available options without success (AV-1 to AV-6 and V-AUX).

For example the DVD disc from the 2012 5 disc Deep Purple "Machine Head" boxset (5 099946 326928) displays the different audio options and pictures(during playback). Yet, the BD disc from the 2013 EMI release of Yes' "Close To The Edge" (6 33367 90022 7) does not display any video at all. I have verified the video exists on the Yes disc by selecting HDMI which does display audio selections and graphics expected.

Thanks in advance.
Ed
post #39030 of 39280
^ Ed,
I'm confused. If you don't have the Yamaha set to view its HDMI input, how do you expect video to get from the 83 to the Yamaha? Do you have Component video cabled from the 83 to the Yamaha as well?
--Bob
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