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post #39031 of 39280
^ Ed, based on your description, I'm going to guess you also have Component video cabled from the OPPO, but, when using that (instead of HDMI), you forgot to change Setup > Video Setup > Primary Output to COMPONENT.
--Bob
post #39032 of 39280
^^^
I'm pretty sure that there's a special incantation required to select the video input while listening to the M-ch audio input. There may also be a limitation on which inputs can be combined. The Yamaha user manual does explain that.
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Hi,
Thanks for the replies. Appreciate the help.

Bob-you are correct, I have the component output connected to the RX-V665 on the AV1 input.

Let me start over. Here is the connection setup for the system.

Oppo BDP-83:
HDMI out connected toRX-V665 (HDMI1)
Component out connected toRX-V665 (AV1)
Multi-Channel 5.1 out connected toRX-V665 (Multi-Channel 5.1)
Stereo out connected to Onyko (L/R)

Yamaha RX-V665:
HDMI1 in connected to Oppo BDR-83
AV1 input connected to Oppo BDR-83 Component Output out from Oppo BDR-83

HDMI out connected to TV HDMI
Video Monitor (Component) connected to TV component input

The RX-V665 indicates the Multi-Channel can display video as selected by the user. I have set this video to the AV1 input. Yet, I do not have video on the Yes "Close To The Edge" disc. Is there something about this disc that precludes the video displaying? I am a newbie as far as video/audio A/V receiver arena.

Thanks for the help.
Ed
post #39034 of 39280
Did you change the TV settings so that it is reading the "component in" connection rather than the "HDMI" connection? rolleyes.gif
post #39035 of 39280
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Originally Posted by hdtvluvr View Post

Did you change the TV settings so that it is reading the "component in" connection rather than the "HDMI" connection? rolleyes.gif

Hi hdtvluvr,
Tahnks for the question. If I understand the RX-V665 manual correctly, this 'pass-thru' feature is passed to the HDMI output. I will try your suggestion. It definitely could be mis-understanding.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
Ed
post #39036 of 39280
Hi,
Yes I selected all available inputs on the TV - nothing on the screen. Switch to the HDMI input the audio setup screen is displaying. Head scratcher...
post #39037 of 39280
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Originally Posted by edpetry View Post

Hi,
Yes I selected all available inputs on the TV - nothing on the screen. Switch to the HDMI input the audio setup screen is displaying. Head scratcher...
I think that Blu-ray media has to comply with HDCP and will not let you output anything at resolution higher than 640x480 on component. You can try either lower the output resolution or use DVD or CD.
post #39038 of 39280
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Originally Posted by tranle View Post

I think that Blu-ray media has to comply with HDCP and will not let you output anything at resolution higher than 640x480 on component. You can try either lower the output resolution or use DVD or CD.

No, on the BDP-83 you should be able to get 1080i from Blu-ray over component.

-Bill
post #39039 of 39280
Is it possible that the player is still outputting (no video but a signal) on the HDMI connection? You could test this by unplugging the HDMI "In" from the player. Here is info from my RX-V3900 manual. Note the Analog to HDMI conversion statement.



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While watching Star Trek: Into Darkness, I noticed (for the second time in a newer movie) the layer change. There was a brief pause... less than 1 second. It was repeatable and always occurred at the same spot. It's something that I am sensitive to. I've not noticed it in Blu-ray's until very recently. This is the second title I noticed it on (I can't remember the first, but I had hoped it was that disc and not something I'd see on other discs). In both cases, the discs are full retail versions I purchased, not rentals, and free of any visible defects.

Has anyone else noticed slower layer changes recently? I'm afraid it's a result of more complex copy protection and a (comparatively) slower processor in the BDP-83. I'd love to read anyone's input, theories, or if they are even experiencing this problem.

- Garrett
post #39041 of 39280
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Originally Posted by hdtvluvr View Post

Is it possible that the player is still outputting (no video but a signal) on the HDMI connection? You could test this by unplugging the HDMI "In" from the player. Here is info from my RX-V3900 manual. Note the Analog to HDMI conversion statement.


Hi,
Good suggestion -- it seems that the 83 is not outputting any signal on the component out. I can set the RX-V665 to output it's setup information on the component out and this disolays. But the 83 only displays if the RX-V665 9s set to HDMI1, Odd...
post #39042 of 39280
Did you test unplugging the "HDMI in" from the player on the Yamaha and see if component from the 83 is then passed through the yamaha HDMI to the tv?
post #39043 of 39280
Thread Starter 
All video outputs are live at the same time except on the case of playing a Blu-ray and having the Primary Output set to HDMI. In this case, the analog outputs will become muted since there is no 1080p/24Hz in the analog domain.

Setting Primary Output to COMPONENT will have all outputs active, since the decoder is doing all video processing and frame rate conversions.
post #39044 of 39280
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Originally Posted by Grit View Post

While watching Star Trek: Into Darkness, I noticed (for the second time in a newer movie) the layer change. There was a brief pause... less than 1 second. It was repeatable and always occurred at the same spot. It's something that I am sensitive to. I've not noticed it in Blu-ray's until very recently. This is the second title I noticed it on (I can't remember the first, but I had hoped it was that disc and not something I'd see on other discs). In both cases, the discs are full retail versions I purchased, not rentals, and free of any visible defects.

Has anyone else noticed slower layer changes recently? I'm afraid it's a result of more complex copy protection and a (comparatively) slower processor in the BDP-83. I'd love to read anyone's input, theories, or if they are even experiencing this problem.

- Garrett

Layer change in Blu-ray is seamless by spec. What is more likely is that you encountered a read error at that point on the disc, and the brief pause you saw was the player doing read recovery.

If you are seeing glitches like this on multiple discs the laser lenses in your 83 may need cleaning. (Although that would generally NOT produce glitches that reliably repeat if you replay the same time code.)
--Bob
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Originally Posted by hdtvluvr View Post

Did you test unplugging the "HDMI in" from the player on the Yamaha and see if component from the 83 is then passed through the yamaha HDMI to the tv?

I'm sorry -- was not clear before. Yes I did unplug the HDMI from the receiver. I saw the background flash on the TV for a second but then disapear. So the answer is yes -- did unplug, no display. I appreciate your help.
post #39046 of 39280
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

All video outputs are live at the same time except on the case of playing a Blu-ray and having the Primary Output set to HDMI. In this case, the analog outputs will become muted since there is no 1080p/24Hz in the analog domain.

Setting Primary Output to COMPONENT will have all outputs active, since the decoder is doing all video processing and frame rate conversions.

Hi - Thanks for the suggestion. This was the issue. Setting the primary Output to Component did display the setup screens and display during playback. Thanks for the help.

Have a follow-on question. Should I leave the output set to Component or set back to HDMI when watching DVDs?

Thanks again.Ed
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Thread Starter 
If you will be using HDMI for video, you will want to use Primary Output of HDMI. If you use COMPONENT, then the de-interlacing and scaling is done by the decoder, which will do a worse job than the ABT solution.
post #39048 of 39280
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

If you will be using HDMI for video, you will want to use Primary Output of HDMI. If you use COMPONENT, then the de-interlacing and scaling is done by the decoder, which will do a worse job than the ABT solution.

Thanks for the info. Don't mean to be a newbie but, what does "the ABT solution" mean?
post #39049 of 39280
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Originally Posted by edpetry View Post

Thanks for the info. Don't mean to be a newbie but, what does "the ABT solution" mean?
The decoder is the MediaTek SOC, which does a bunch of the core processing and handles de-interlacing and scaling for the component video outputs. The generation of the MediaTek SOC that's in the BDP-83 does a decent, but not fantastic job of de-interlacing and scaling. The "ABT solution" is the Anchor Bay VRS video processing chip, which was one of the big selling points of the BDP-83 - it handles the de-interlacing and scaling for the HDMI output and does does a great job at it.
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Originally Posted by edpetry View Post

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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

If you will be using HDMI for video, you will want to use Primary Output of HDMI. If you use COMPONENT, then the de-interlacing and scaling is done by the decoder, which will do a worse job than the ABT solution.

Thanks for the info. Don't mean to be a newbie but, what does "the ABT solution" mean?

There are two processors on the 83. The main processor is a MediaTek System-on-Chip, which handles the bulk of the things the player does. The ABT chip is a video processor, and it is significantly better at that than what this older generation of MTK chips can do for things like de-interlacing and upscaling. (MediaTek's newer chips are much MUCH better at this stuff -- to the point that this stuff is handled by the (newer) MTK chips on the current generation, 103/105/103D players.)

When you set Component as your primary output (or when you use Source Direct for output Resolution), the ABT chip is bypassed, which means the video quality for de-interlacing and upscaling is not quite up to what you can get with the ABT helping. Thus you don't want to leave Component set when using HDMI for your video output. (This is not an issue with Source Direct, since Source Direct is used when you want some external device -- like your TV -- to do the de-interlacing and upscaling instead of having the OPPO 83 do it.)
--Bob
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

There are two processors on the 83. The main processor is a MediaTek System-on-Chip, which handles the bulk of the things the player does. The ABT chip is a video processor, and it is significantly better at that than what this older generation of MTK chips can do for things like de-interlacing and upscaling. (MediaTek's newer chips are much MUCH better at this stuff -- to the point that this stuff is handled by the (newer) MTK chips on the current generation, 103/105/103D players.)

When you set Component as your primary output (or when you use Source Direct for output Resolution), the ABT chip is bypassed, which means the video quality for de-interlacing and upscaling is not quite up to what you can get with the ABT helping. Thus you don't want to leave Component set when using HDMI for your video output. (This is not an issue with Source Direct, since Source Direct is used when you want some external device -- like your TV -- to do the de-interlacing and upscaling instead of having the OPPO 83 do it.)
--Bob

Bob,
Thanks!! Great information.

Where can a newbie find this explained in newbie speak? I have read the manual -- but the amount of information is a bit overwhelming and, maybe more importantly, I am not knowledgeable enough to "read between the lines" to understand this. So, if there is a url or book or wiki page that you could point me to I would appreciate it.
Thanks again,
Ed
post #39052 of 39280
^ I recommend you click on the READ THE FAQ link found at the top of the first post of this thread. Lot's of useful information in there.

If you want to get a better understanding of what video processing is all about -- what de-interacing is, for example, or upscaling -- I suggest you try browsing the Video Components > Video Processors forum here for threads aimed at novices -- such as "How to Pick a Scaler".

And of course, Wikipedia is always a good place to research new topics.

The "Secrets of Home Theater" web site (Google that) also has a nice variety of tutorial articles.

You can spend a lot of time getting familiar with the ins and outs of video processing, so you may also want to consider whether this is something you really want to spend time learning -- or just treat it as Magic and enjoy the results!
--Bob
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ I recommend you click on the READ THE FAQ link found at the top of the first post of this thread. Lot's of useful information in there.

If you want to get a better understanding of what video processing is all about -- what de-interacing is, for example, or upscaling -- I suggest you try browsing the Video Components > Video Processors forum here for threads aimed at novices -- such as "How to Pick a Scaler".

And of course, Wikipedia is always a good place to research new topics.

The "Secrets of Home Theater" web site (Google that) also has a nice variety of tutorial articles.

You can spend a lot of time getting familiar with the ins and outs of video processing, so you may also want to consider whether this is something you really want to spend time learning -- or just treat it as Magic and enjoy the results!
--Bob

Bob,
Good point. Maybe scale my need for knowledge back a bit and ask for information about the video in the BDR-83 only. I assume that would be the FAQ. Right or wrong?
Thanks
Ed
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using my bdp-83 as a transport with hdmi for video

I have been using oppo dvd players forever for my digital transport I have an oppo dvd-983, an oppo bdp-83, or an oppo bdp-93 to use as a digital transport for my custom dac. I also want ot use my hdmi output for video only for dealing with setup menus. I am using a BDP-103 in my main system.
I will be using a separate digital cable for my dac and want to know which might be best as a digital transport and if I can use an
hdmi cable to view menus etc. I plan to use the lpcm 192k bit audio out for my dac,
any help would be immensely appreciated,
thanks
Keith
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I own a Oppo 83S and for the first time we are having trouble playing a BD disc. I had Netflix send a second disc and we have the same problem that it reads, display touchstone and freezes. The Oppo makes noise like it’s trying to read and it can’t so the image freezes on the Touchstone logo. The movie is “The Tempest”. I use HDMI out to a Rotel RSX-1550 if that helps.
post #39056 of 39280
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Originally Posted by coxhaus View Post

I own a Oppo 83S and for the first time we are having trouble playing a BD disc. I had Netflix send a second disc and we have the same problem that it reads, display touchstone and freezes. The Oppo makes noise like it’s trying to read and it can’t so the image freezes on the Touchstone logo. The movie is “The Tempest”. I use HDMI out to a Rotel RSX-1550 if that helps.

What to do if a BD disc will not play:

http://watershade.net/wmcclain/BDP-83-faq.html#what-do-i-do-if-a-blu-ray-disc-will-not-load-or-play-or-if-it-freezes-the-player
post #39057 of 39280
OK. I reset factory defaults. I did not have HDMI 1.3 set so it good I did this. I also turned off BD Live and CEC which was not on. I erased BD video data. I don’t keep my BD player connected to the internet.
I still cannot play this one disc. It plays all others fine.
post #39058 of 39280
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Originally Posted by coxhaus View Post

OK. I reset factory defaults. I did not have HDMI 1.3 set so it good I did this. I also turned off BD Live and CEC which was not on. I erased BD video data. I don’t keep my BD player connected to the internet.
I still cannot play this one disc. It plays all others fine.

I don't have that disc so its hard to say much. Its a couple years old. Sounds like the player is puking on some BD-Live, JAVA type programming. Report the specifics to Oppo, maybe they can duplicate the issue. Some of those discs need to have BD-Live turned on even if its not connected to the internet. But you definitely need to erase persistent storage after each time the player fails to load the disc. You might also need to let it sit for a while and see if it eventually loads.
post #39059 of 39280
I just got my BDP-83 out of its box (where it has been for about a year while we sold one house and bought another). I upgraded the firmware to the latest firmware. We then watched Monsters University. Twice during the movie, the BDP-83 made a "clicking" sound, and the video kept skipping. If we paused the movie and rewound, the same section played fine. Is this common?
post #39060 of 39280
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Originally Posted by ctviggen View Post

I just got my BDP-83 out of its box (where it has been for about a year while we sold one house and bought another). I upgraded the firmware to the latest firmware. We then watched Monsters University. Twice during the movie, the BDP-83 made a "clicking" sound, and the video kept skipping. If we paused the movie and rewound, the same section played fine. Is this common?

That's a known problem disc on many models of player. Do you have HDMI Audio set to Bitstream? Try LPCM instead.

-Bill
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