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post #39061 of 39277
^ Yes, if you are bitstreaming the audio, this title or some other new 7.1 titles from Disney and Sony are known to have audio dropouts. The workaround is to set the player to output LPCM audio. See the AVS official Monsters U blu-ray review thread for more info.
post #39062 of 39277
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

That's a known problem disc on many models of player. Do you have HDMI Audio set to Bitstream? Try LPCM instead.

-Bill

Thank you. I had HDMI audio to "auto", although I have the player connected to a plasma TV (so I'd assumed there would be down-conversion to stereo, but maybe I was wrong). I haven't had time to set up my receiver and speakers, and likely won't until after Christmas. Anyway, I changed the HDMI audio to LPCM. I'll have to see what happens as we watch other movies.
post #39063 of 39277
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Originally Posted by ctviggen View Post

Thank you. I had HDMI audio to "auto", although I have the player connected to a plasma TV (so I'd assumed there would be down-conversion to stereo, but maybe I was wrong). I haven't had time to set up my receiver and speakers, and likely won't until after Christmas. Anyway, I changed the HDMI audio to LPCM. I'll have to see what happens as we watch other movies.

Connected direct to the TV, I would expect HDMI audio to be LPCM always, regardless of the player setting, but I set it explicitly anyway.

If that doesn't help then you should write up your experience for OPPO support.

-Bill
post #39064 of 39277
^ AUTO will use Bitstream if the other end will accept it -- typically traditional, lossy DD or DTS for devices like TVs -- and LPCM otherwise -- typically stereo LPCM.

The point is, each time the audio format changes the OPPO has to renegotiate with the TV. Try HDMI Audio LPCM instead and see if that helps.
--Bob
post #39065 of 39277

my friend has an oppo 83.

when she plays music through the oppo, there is always some info on the tv screen about what's playing at the moment.

 

 

the oppo is connected directly to the TV and the sound comes out of the tv's speakers.

 

is there somewhere or some way in the config or on the remote control where only the music would play, but nothing would appear on the screen.

 

because of this problem, there is now some image retention that is visible on the screen.

post #39066 of 39277
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Originally Posted by Gellidius View Post

my friend has an oppo 83.
when she plays music through the oppo, there is always some info on the tv screen about what's playing at the moment.


the oppo is connected directly to the TV and the sound comes out of the tv's speakers.

is there somewhere or some way in the config or on the remote control where only the music would play, but nothing would appear on the screen.

because of this problem, there is now some image retention that is visible on the screen.
The Pure Mode button -- upper left on the remote -- will blank the TV screen. Very useful when playing music. Press it again to get the video back.
--Bob
post #39067 of 39277

thank you for your answer about "pure audio".

problem has been solved.

:-)

 

 

post #39068 of 39277

Downmixing ( Or Upmixing )

Watched Dodgeball last night. I have my BDP-83 connected to my Sony DA4ES Receiver 2 ways, Optical and 7.1 Analog. I like to switch between the 2 audio inputs for comparison reasons. Dodgeball has 5.1 DTS HD Master Audio. While watching the movie, I was able to hear audio from the Surround Back Speakers. What goes here? If the movie was recorded in 5.1, how am I able to hear this audio? I have the down mixing of the Oppo set to 7.1, but why is it up mixing?
post #39069 of 39277
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Originally Posted by Skytrooper View Post

Watched Dodgeball last night. I have my BDP-83 connected to my Sony DA4ES Receiver 2 ways, Optical and 7.1 Analog. I like to switch between the 2 audio inputs for comparison reasons. Dodgeball has 5.1 DTS HD Master Audio. While watching the movie, I was able to hear audio from the Surround Back Speakers. What goes here? If the movie was recorded in 5.1, how am I able to hear this audio? I have the down mixing of the Oppo set to 7.1, but why is it up mixing?

The default decoding for DTS when downmix is set to 7.1 is to duplicate the surrounds to the back. This is part of DTS licensing requirements. The solution is to use a 5.1 downmix setting.
post #39070 of 39277
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

The default decoding for DTS when downmix is set to 7.1 is to duplicate the surrounds to the back. This is part of DTS licensing requirements. The solution is to use a 5.1 downmix setting.

I want to hear the sound coming from the surround back speakers. If I reset the downmixing to 5.1, will I lose audio from the backs? I didn't know about the licensing requirements. Is this also true with Dolby True HD?
post #39071 of 39277
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Originally Posted by Skytrooper View Post

I want to hear the sound coming from the surround back speakers. If I reset the downmixing to 5.1, will I lose audio from the backs?
Yes
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I didn't know about the licensing requirements. Is this also true with Dolby True HD?
No, its only a DTS thing.

Your easiest route by far will be to simply upgrade to a current HDMI AVR with processing like PLIIx that can matrix 7.1 from 5.1.
post #39072 of 39277
When using multichannel analog, DTS-HD has the advantage of producing a 7.1 output. But, when using an HDMI digital connection, forced upmixing to 7.1 may be a disadvantage because you can no longer apply a surround mode like PLIIx, which does the channel expansion more intelligently than simply duplicating the surrounds to the rears. Most players do not expand TrueHD to 7.1.
post #39073 of 39277
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

The issues with Bitstreaming these problem discs is poorly understood. It is an interaction with some receivers that some players have and some don't.

The studios don't have to keep fiddling with the format, or if they must, they could coordinate with the player manufacturers better.

You lose nothing by switching to LPCM.

-Bill

I've not had this problem in quite a long time. Until I throw in Monsters University Blue Ray and I get drops. Thanks to this forum I got around it switching to LPCM out the -83. If I remember correctly the only thing I'm losing is my receiver's read out stating DD T HD/ DTS MA, right? The Oppo will just decode the audio. If that's the case do most of you just let the Oppo handle the decoding and aviod these possible audio hiccups, or do you only switch to PCM when issues arise? Just curious.

Thanks,
Sips
post #39074 of 39277
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Originally Posted by powerwindow View Post

I've not had this problem in quite a long time. Until I throw in Monsters University Blue Ray and I get drops. Thanks to this forum I got around it switching to LPCM out the -83. If I remember correctly the only thing I'm losing is my receiver's read out stating DD T HD/ DTS MA, right? The Oppo will just decode the audio. If that's the case do most of you just let the Oppo handle the decoding and aviod these possible audio hiccups, or do you only switch to PCM when issues arise? Just curious.

Thanks,
Sips

We have something on this in the FAQ: Should I perform audio decoding in the player or in the receiver?

-Bill
post #39075 of 39277
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Yes
No, its only a DTS thing.

Your easiest route by far will be to simply upgrade to a current HDMI AVR with processing like PLIIx that can matrix 7.1 from 5.1.

My receiver is 10 years old and I like it. It has PLII (no X) It also has 2 sets of Multi Channel In connections, 5.1 and 7.1. Most of my viewing is from satellite. But when I want to rock the house I use my Oppo. I am perfectly content with the receiver I have now because of the multi chan. ins and it's reliability. If I ever did get a new receiver, I probably would not use it's HDMI capabilities to their fullest because I like to run the HDMI video to the TV and the audio to the receiver. My brother had some problems with video when routing it thru the receiver. He now goes straight to the TV.

Any how, thanks to all for helping me with my audio issue. I still love my old BDP-83. I see they have a SE version with better audio. But I wonder, how in the heck can anything sound better than what I have now?
post #39076 of 39277
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Originally Posted by Skytrooper View Post

My receiver is 10 years old and I like it. It has PLII (no X) It also has 2 sets of Multi Channel In connections, 5.1 and 7.1. Most of my viewing is from satellite. But when I want to rock the house I use my Oppo. I am perfectly content with the receiver I have now because of the multi chan. ins and it's reliability. If I ever did get a new receiver, I probably would not use it's HDMI capabilities to their fullest because I like to run the HDMI video to the TV and the audio to the receiver. My brother had some problems with video when routing it thru the receiver. He now goes straight to the TV.

Any how, thanks to all for helping me with my audio issue. I still love my old BDP-83. I see they have a SE version with better audio. But I wonder, how in the heck can anything sound better than what I have now?
A newer receiver will sound even better.
post #39077 of 39277
It depends, though.
post #39078 of 39277
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

A newer receiver will sound even better.

I was referring to the Oppo's audio quality when using it's analog outs. The sound fields on the 10 year old Sony are pretty good. Your probably right about newer receivers having better audio processors, but they don't compare with Dolby True HD and DTS Master Audio 5.1 and 7.1 in which the Oppo lets me enjoy thru analog ins of a 10 year old receiver. I can live without the newer sound fields. This reliable old beast stays til it blows up.
post #39079 of 39277
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Originally Posted by Skytrooper View Post

I was referring to the Oppo's audio quality when using it's analog outs. The sound fields on the 10 year old Sony are pretty good. Your probably right about newer receivers having better audio processors, but they don't compare with Dolby True HD and DTS Master Audio 5.1 and 7.1 in which the Oppo lets me enjoy thru analog ins of a 10 year old receiver. I can live without the newer sound fields. This reliable old beast stays til it blows up.

Another push for a new AVR:
Adding HD audio and HDMI support is just a small part of the allure. Newer AVRs incorporate much improved DAC and audio boards, and have vastly improved auto setup and EQ routines (that alone are worth the price of admission). More inputs, the ability to matrix 7.1 from 5.1 with PLIIx and other similar processing. In short, there isn't anything that doesn't improve with a new AVR vs a 10-yr old model, and the new setup routines make a HUGE difference if used correctly.
post #39080 of 39277
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Another push for a new AVR:
Adding HD audio and HDMI support is just a small part of the allure. Newer AVRs incorporate much improved DAC and audio boards, and have vastly improved auto setup and EQ routines (that alone are worth the price of admission). More inputs, the ability to matrix 7.1 from 5.1 with PLIIx and other similar processing. In short, there isn't anything that doesn't improve with a new AVR vs a 10-yr old model, and the new setup routines make a HUGE difference if used correctly.

I understand all the benefits of a new receiver, but the only time I care about audio and video is when watching movies on my Oppo. As I stated earlier, I know about the SE Model and I find it hard to believe that it sounds better than my current model. This thing is fantastic. People come over and are totally amazed.
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Originally Posted by Skytrooper View Post

I understand all the benefits of a new receiver, but the only time I care about audio and video is when watching movies on my Oppo. As I stated earlier, I know about the SE Model and I find it hard to believe that it sounds better than my current model. This thing is fantastic. People come over and are totally amazed.
Im in agreement.I have the 83 connected to an old Panasonic digital receiver(SA XR-55) that was big news about ten years ago but fell out of favor for some reason.I also connect using an optical out from the oppo to the receiver with HDMI supplying the video only from Opo to TV.Results are so detailed and open.Not sure if its the oppo or the receiver but Ive never felt the need to upgrade.
post #39082 of 39277
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Originally Posted by Skytrooper View Post

As I stated earlier, I know about the SE Model and I find it hard to believe that it sounds better than my current model. This thing is fantastic. People come over and are totally amazed.
When I went from the standard 83 to the 83SE there was an immediate and obvious difference. The SE model revealed far more detail and the treble especially was significantly better with cymbals, for example, sounding more real than they had previously. The difference between the 83 and the 83SE was the biggest immediate difference I had ever heard in audio gear other than a major loudspeaker upgrade.
post #39083 of 39277
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Originally Posted by Skytrooper View Post

I see they have a SE version with better audio. But I wonder, how in the heck can anything sound better than what I have now?

You mean HAD an 83SE. They now have a 103 which is said to be somewhere in between the 83 and 83SE in terms of analog SQ, but much more modern functionality. The 95 and 105 would be better still, if you are big into analog. Then there are the Cambridge Audio models if you want yet another take on high-end DAC implementation.

Of course you may have hit a sweet spot with your system and room. Sometimes going up the chain can be too much of a good thing (eg: too revealing) for a system not perfectly tuned or not playing perfect source material.
Edited by AVfile - 12/29/13 at 9:56am
post #39084 of 39277
Anybody know anything about this? Read it on Bluray.com.

Apparently the 83 has finally meet its match according to The Digital Bits. Not sure why Oppo can't update the player to account for the newer version of Java unless they no longer wat to expend resources on it. This might be a first if no manufacturer can update their old players to account for newer titles.

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Originally Posted by Bill Hunt
And finally, users of older Oppo players (like the BDP-83) are having problems with HBO’s Beyond the Candelabra Blu-ray, apparently due to a new update of Java that HBO is using on their discs. Unfortunately, the change is such that Oppo says they can’t firmware update the players to accommodate the title. New Oppo players are unaffected.
post #39085 of 39277
Because Oppo is limited by the fact that almost everything is down to MediTek, and they lose interest in older products.
post #39086 of 39277
Now thats a first,Oppo not giving full support to its customers.The 83 is still best for dvd playback.
post #39087 of 39277
We might wait to see what OPPO says first. And I haven't seen anything about the problem in the forums.

-Bill
post #39088 of 39277
Hello everyone,

Does anyone have any data on the service life of this player? I got mine in March 2010 and I have played almost 1600 discs on it. I think the player is starting to fail because recently DTS tracks on it drop out sporadically (not reproducible), but Dolby tracks still seem to play OK. Does it sound like the player is dying? Does 1600 discs seem like a reasonable service life for this player?

Thanks much

--Todd
post #39089 of 39277
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Originally Posted by greatfoxmusic View Post

Hello everyone,

Does anyone have any data on the service life of this player? I got mine in March 2010 and I have played almost 1600 discs on it. I think the player is starting to fail because recently DTS tracks on it drop out sporadically (not reproducible), but Dolby tracks still seem to play OK. Does it sound like the player is dying? Does 1600 discs seem like a reasonable service life for this player?

Thanks much

--Todd

Only OPPO would know. No one else has a store of repair data.

What discs have the problem? I'm not sure what hardware problem would cause one codec to fail and the other not. Is this over HDMI? Do you get the same behavior with both Bitstream and LPCM?

I would check all the cabling, reseat everything. If you still have a problem, contact OPPO support and see what they recommend. If it needs repair they have very reasonable fixed-price out of warranty service.

-Bill
post #39090 of 39277
The only thing that wears out on these players is the optical drive, which Oppo can replace for a flat fee which is very reasonable.
I'd also consider just doing a cleaning on the drive's laser, which certainly must need it by now. Reading issues could cause audio to drop out randomly, but it would be completely random and not matter what type audio it was. If the dropouts are repeatable then the drive is even more suspect.
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