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post #4201 of 38733
3/20/09 at 7:29pm
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Originally Posted by UTSoxFan View Post

Does it matter that I only have 6.1 rather than 7.1?

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Originally Posted by Robert Cook View Post

Possibly, because as far as I know the BDP-83 only has settings for 5.1 and 7.1 output. If you don't plan to use the surround back channel, then simply set the player to output 5.1, and you're done. If you do plan to use the surround back channel, then until you get a 7.1 receiver you'll need to combine the two surround back outputs from the BDP-83 into the single surround back input on your receiver with something like this:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Do not combine channels using a simple wye-connector as listed above. I refer you to RaneNote 109 "Why Not Wye?" for the details as to why not. But put simply, "A wye-connector used to split a signal into two lines is being used properly; a wye-connector used to mix two signals into one is being abused and may even damage the equipment involved." Don't want you to shorten the life of that new BDP-83.

So either use just one of the surround back channels into the single back surround or obtain a properly resistant line combiner. If you're handy with a soldering iron, you can make your own simple mixer. I've probably made half a dozen of them over the years and I stink with a soldering iron, and they've still worked without a hitch.
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post #4202 of 38733
3/20/09 at 7:32pm
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Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post

You decode the lossless codecs in the Oppo and send them as LPCM to the Outlaw via 5.1 analog.

Sorry to pick on you Tom but you hit on a pet peeve of mine. Analog is analog it is not LPCM. It is a bistream decoded to LPCM and then converted to analog.
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post #4203 of 38733
3/20/09 at 7:38pm
Thank you Robert Cook, progprog, tngiloy, Kabillyhop for all your input. This helps me see what I need and what I can do with this setup. I don't think I can use the Cirrus Extra when I am using the analog inputs.

I would like to be able to hear the discrete rear channel info on these type of BD discs but the downmix info to the side surrounds should sound fine. Thanks again for your help.
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post #4204 of 38733
3/20/09 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

Sorry to pick on you Tom but you hit on a pet peeve of mine. Analog is analog it is not LPCM. It is a bistream decoded to LPCM and then converted to analog.

Props to your HT. Question: What's the price of admission?
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post #4205 of 38733
3/20/09 at 7:52pm
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Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

Sorry to pick on you Tom but you hit on a pet peeve of mine. Analog is analog it is not LPCM. It is a bistream decoded to LPCM and then converted to analog.

Point taken. You are right,of course.
But it needs to be converted to analog some where along the chain before it hits your speakers. It will be converted to analog either in the Oppo if you use analog outs, or in your pre-pro/receiver if you send LPCM or bitstream via hdmi.
I will try to be more precise in the future so as not to provoke your pet peeve. In return you must promise to push your shopping cart back to the 'return your carts here' corral at the Safeway, and not leave it in the middle of my parking space!!(thats my pet peeve)
Tom
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post #4206 of 38733
3/20/09 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by FTWMike View Post

Do not combine channels using a simple wye-connector as listed above. I refer you to RaneNote 109 "Why Not Wye?" for the details as to why not. But put simply, "A wye-connector used to split a signal into two lines is being used properly; a wye-connector used to mix two signals into one is being abused and may even damage the equipment involved." Don't want you to shorten the life of that new BDP-83.

So either use just one of the surround back channels into the single back surround or obtain a properly resistant line combiner. If you're handy with a soldering iron, you can make your own simple mixer. I've probably made half a dozen of them over the years and I stink with a soldering iron, and they've still worked without a hitch.
MC

Oh, I didn't realize that the output impedances were so low! You're absolutely right--thanks for catching that. I'm sorry if I mislead anybody.
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post #4207 of 38733
3/20/09 at 8:02pm
Operon - As the saying goes if you have to ask.

tngiloy - Is Publix OK? We don't have Safeways down here.

Trying hard to stay on topic here... OK here goes...

Did those who purchased their EAP2 player get a confirmation Email? I got an order number when I ordered but I didn't save it but no confirmation Email. Should I be worried?
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post #4208 of 38733
3/20/09 at 8:08pm
obie_fl,
When I placed my order this is what I got from Oppo. I'm pick-up my Oppo 83

When your order ships, we will send you a shipment notification e-mail with a tracking number. If you chose to pickup your order, please wait until you are notified via e-mail that your order is ready before coming to our office.
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post #4209 of 38733
3/20/09 at 8:26pm
Tonight we now have 141 forum members reflected on the list against EAP 300 tonight.

To be added to the list of AVSforum participants after being randomly selected by Oppo Digital for EAP 300, please send me a private message.
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post #4210 of 38733
3/20/09 at 8:53pm
It's been sort of a crazy night around here, so I'm playing a bit of catch-up...
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Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

I owned a 950 two processors back but can't recall if it could take 5.1 analog to 7.1. Where is gonk? He is the master of all things Outlaw.

You rang? I am sort of uniquely qualified to talk about the 950, although it is an excellent question that can apply to very many receivers and processors, both old and new. After all, 7.1 analog inputs are actually fairly rare even still and were unheard of (and largely useless) just a few years ago.
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Originally Posted by mdanderson View Post

Thank you Robert Cook, progprog, tngiloy, Kabillyhop for all your input. This helps me see what I need and what I can do with this setup. I don't think I can use the Cirrus Extra when I am using the analog inputs.

I would like to be able to hear the discrete rear channel info on these type of BD discs but the downmix info to the side surrounds should sound fine. Thanks again for your help.

The Cirrus Extra Surround won't help you here, you are correct on that. The typical 5.1 analog input is handled as an analog bypass, with no A/D conversion, no bass management, and no surround processing. There are a few exceptions to this, of course (Outlaw's Model 990, for example, and also the Anthem AVM20 apparently), but they are rare and the controls offered while the signal is in the digital domain are generally limited.

There is no really effective solution to this that still retains the 7.1. If you have just a 5.1 analog input, you will need to set the BDP-83 (or any other Blu-ray player with 7.1 analog output) to a 5.1 downmix so that those 6.1 and 7.1 tracks are properly downmixed to 5.1. The rear surrounds will be unused while listening to Blu-rays via the 5.1 analog connection.
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post #4211 of 38733
3/20/09 at 9:00pm
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Originally Posted by gonk View Post

The rear surrounds will be unused while listening to Blu-rays via the 5.1 analog connection.

So which speakers are used? I thought rear surrounds were part of 5.1.
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post #4212 of 38733
3/20/09 at 9:06pm
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Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

Operon - As the saying goes if you have to ask.

tngiloy - Is Publix OK? We don't have Safeways down here.

Trying hard to stay on topic here... OK here goes...

Did those who purchased their EAP2 player get a confirmation Email? I got an order number when I ordered but I didn't save it but no confirmation Email. Should I be worried?

I received an email from oppo. Here's the firsr paragraph:

Thank you for choosing OPPO Digital. This confirms the following order placed by you. Please review your order information. If corrections are needed, please reply to this e-mail or call us at (650) 961-1118 as soon as possible. Changes/Cancellations cannot be made once your order has shipped.
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post #4213 of 38733
3/20/09 at 9:08pm
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Originally Posted by gonk View Post

It's been sort of a crazy night around here, so I'm playing a bit of catch-up...

You rang? I am sort of uniquely qualified to talk about the 950, although it is an excellent question that can apply to very many receivers and processors, both old and new. After all, 7.1 analog inputs are actually fairly rare even still and were unheard of (and largely useless) just a few years ago.

The Cirrus Extra Surround won't help you here, you are correct on that. The typical 5.1 analog input is handled as an analog bypass, with no A/D conversion, no bass management, and no surround processing. There are a few exceptions to this, of course (Outlaw's Model 990, for example, and also the Anthem AVM20 apparently), but they are rare and the controls offered while the signal is in the digital domain are generally limited.

There is no really effective solution to this that still retains the 7.1. If you have just a 5.1 analog input, you will need to set the BDP-83 (or any other Blu-ray player with 7.1 analog output) to a 5.1 downmix so that those 6.1 and 7.1 tracks are properly downmixed to 5.1. The rear surrounds will be unused while listening to Blu-rays via the 5.1 analog connection.

Thanks gonk for that information. By the way, I stood up for you on Emotiva's web forum. Someone posted a link to your review of the BDP-83 and said they hoped you were not some hack. I assured them you were not.
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post #4214 of 38733
3/20/09 at 9:11pm
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Originally Posted by hdtvluvr View Post

So which speakers are used? I thought rear surrounds were part of 5.1.

Rear and side surrounds are used in 7.1 situations and side surrounds are used in 5.1 situations.
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post #4215 of 38733
3/20/09 at 9:29pm
Thanks.
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post #4216 of 38733
3/20/09 at 9:29pm
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Originally Posted by hdtvluvr View Post

So which speakers are used? I thought rear surrounds were part of 5.1.

Side surrounds are part of 5.1. The rear surrounds are the "extras".
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Originally Posted by mdanderson View Post

Thanks gonk for that information. By the way, I stood up for you on Emotiva's web forum. Someone posted a link to your review of the BDP-83 and said they hoped you were not some hack. I assured them you were not.

Thanks! I don't get by there much after the ol' LMC-1 days - I guess they've forgotten me (or they remember me in a not-so-fond way...).
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post #4217 of 38733
3/20/09 at 9:32pm
To make a short story long:

I'm very excited about being part of EAP 2. And, from what I've read these past months the 83 is THE machine.

I believe this will be a great blu-ray player, and possible this will extend to CD, SACD, etc.

But. . .I have question about SDPQ. A year and a half ago when I bought my first BD player, I swore I would not replace a DVD that was already in my collection with a BD. Well. . .you all know how long that lasted. It lasted about as long as the same oath lasted when I bought my first LaserDisc Player. Heck, I was just getting over the thrill of VHS-HiFi. But, it didn't take long before I was replacing those tapes. And sure enough, I've begun replacing favorite DVD's with the BD?

Now, here comes the question. I have hundreds of DVD's and about eighty BD's, and have watch hundreds of BD via NetFlix. Wait for it. When I watch a SDVD on the 83 will I be satisfied enough so that I will not need to replace it with a BD.
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post #4218 of 38733
3/20/09 at 9:34pm
I need an opinion. I will be running my BDP-83 into my Yamaha RX-V2700. The HDMI inputs are 1.1 and are all full... so I will be buying an HDMI switch. Both Oppo and Monoprice have HDMI 1.3b certified switches ($99 and $29 respectively). Monoprice strongly suggests 1.3a CATEGORY 2 cables for their switch of which the shortest they currently have are 6'. I really would like to use 3' cables (not 6') as they would work better for my setup... but the ones they have are not category 2. Monoprice also has a 1.3a box which would be fine with the 3' cables. As the limiting factor is still the inputs on the AVR - would you go with the 1.3b switch (for future upgrading) or the 1.3a switch as it really would not matter in my setup? Or am I racking my brains over nothing?

Thanks!
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post #4219 of 38733
3/20/09 at 9:45pm
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Originally Posted by Barry18025 View Post

Now, here comes the question. I have hundreds of DVD's and about eighty BD's, and have watch hundreds of BD via NetFlix. Wait for it. When I watch a SDVD on the 83 will I be satisfied enough so that I will not need to replace it with a BD.

It all depends on you and the movies in question. Back a year or so ago (when I had an OPPO 983H and a Panasonic BD30 together in the system), I stood in front of my shelf for a while and asked myself which movies I really cared about enough to re-buy on Blu-ray, factoring in things like my screen size, current viewing habits, and the performance of my 983H with standard DVD's (which is basically the same as the performance of the BDP-83 with DVD). For me, it was a relatively short list - less than 10% of my entire library that I'd be able to justify re-buying if they were available, and probably a quarter or more of those titles are ones that will take a while to see arrive on BD (for example, I grew up with Star Wars, so I know I'll end up buying them again when the day finally comes that they show up on BD). It's all a personal judgment call, though...
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post #4220 of 38733
3/20/09 at 9:56pm
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Originally Posted by gonk View Post

It all depends on you and the movies in question. Back a year or so ago (when I had an OPPO 983H and a Panasonic BD30 together in the system), I stood in front of my shelf for a while and asked myself which movies I really cared about enough to re-buy on Blu-ray, factoring in things like my screen size, current viewing habits, and the performance of my 983H with standard DVD's (which is basically the same as the performance of the BDP-83 with DVD). For me, it was a relatively short list - less than 10% of my entire library that I'd be able to justify re-buying if they were available, and probably a quarter or more of those titles are ones that will take a while to see arrive on BD (for example, I grew up with Star Wars, so I know I'll end up buying them again when the day finally comes that they show up on BD). It's all a personal judgment call, though...

I hear what you're saying, and that is exactly the answer I was hoping for. Thanks.
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post #4221 of 38733
3/20/09 at 10:43pm
New model BD players are finally coming out! In the Panasonic thread, people are seeing DMP-BD60's popup in stores. Hopefully, this means DMP-BD80 will be here soon. I'm excited!! It's probably best that I buy the DMP-BD80 instead of the BDP-83 anyway because it's more affordable. I think Oppo is about to lose a customer. I just wanted either one! Can one finally come out?

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Non BDP-83 EAP owner, twice denied.
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post #4222 of 38733
3/20/09 at 10:45pm
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Originally Posted by TedO View Post

I had planned on getting an 83 but this may be a deal breaker for me. I planned on upgrading my processor with a used unit that had analog inputs for the lossless codes. Now I'm thinking I would be better off spending more money on the processor and less on the BD player, thinking this may be a better overall package.

Well, my advice would be: Compare how the performance of the video processing on that new processor stacks up against that of the 83 and how much importance you personally attribute to video features features like scaling, deinterlacing, cadence detection, edge enhancement, noise reduction, etc.

You should also consider how much SD material you're going to be viewing versus BD. SD material will benefit most from better video processing. Do you need or would you benefit from features like HDCD, SACD, DVD-Audio, etc. that are offered by the 83. Would you rather have audio processing features such as Audyssey or similar room correction technologies? Do you need the more flexible bass management usually provided in processors?

Those are all questions, only you can answer. I'm just trying to point out some criteria to help you determine what features are most important to you.

Best of luck in your decision making.
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post #4223 of 38733
3/20/09 at 11:18pm
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Originally Posted by styx1 View Post

I need an opinion. I will be running my BDP-83 into my Yamaha RX-V2700. The HDMI inputs are 1.1 and are all full... so I will be buying an HDMI switch. Both Oppo and Monoprice have HDMI 1.3b certified switches ($99 and $29 respectively). Monoprice strongly suggests 1.3a CATEGORY 2 cables for their switch of which the shortest they currently have are 6'. I really would like to use 3' cables (not 6') as they would work better for my setup... but the ones they have are not category 2. Monoprice also has a 1.3a box which would be fine with the 3' cables. As the limiting factor is still the inputs on the AVR - would you go with the 1.3b switch (for future upgrading) or the 1.3a switch as it really would not matter in my setup? Or am I racking my brains over nothing?

Thanks!

The RX-V2700 has 1.2a HDMI inputs actually, not 1.1. I would recommend that you save yourself some money and go with the mionoprice switch, both will serve your needs perfectly, but IMHO, you won't really notice a difference between the swtiches, so go with what is cheaper. If you want a 3 foot cable, then go ahead and buy a 3 foot cable, a category 2 rated cable is not a requirement of the switch, nor will it increase the quality of the picture or sound. A 3 foot HDMI cable from monoprice (whether its category 2 or not) will work. Period. Go with what will save you money. You can't really do any wrong with your limited options.
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3/21/09 at 1:48am
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Originally Posted by GotHDTV? View Post

New model BD players are finally coming out! In the Panasonic thread, people are seeing DMP-BD60's popup in stores. Hopefully, this means DMP-BD80 will be here soon. I'm excited!! It's probably best that I buy the DMP-BD80 instead of the BDP-83 anyway because it's more affordable. I think Oppo is about to lose a customer. I just wanted either one! Can one finally come out?

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Non BDP-83 EAP owner, twice denied.

Up to you, but for the money the BDP-83 with Anchor Bay VRS processing, multiple zooms, PS3 like speed, and the best technical support around is only $100 more then the DMP-BD80. Can't wait a couple of weeks?
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post #4225 of 38733
3/21/09 at 6:14am
Why is the Anchor Bay VRS processing such a big deal? I own a DV-983H which uses the same processing and to be honest, while its okay I don't find it to be all that it was promoted to be. I'm hoping the BDP-83 has a better, newer chip or something because I wouldn't use Anchor Bay as a selling point. It's really no better than my 980 which is in the same rack and the 980 doesn't use Anchor Bay.

On my 50 inch Pioneer plasma the zooming positively sucks to be honest. It's average SD DVD playback was a big reason I was looking at a Pioneer 09FD. I really hope the 83 is implemented better.
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3/21/09 at 6:21am
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Originally Posted by HT_n_Me View Post

Why is the Anchor Bay VRS processing such a big deal? I own a DV-983H which uses the same processing and to be honest, while its okay I don't find it to be all that it was promoted to be. I'm hoping the BDP-83 has a better, newer chip or something because I wouldn't use Anchor Bay as a selling point.

No, it is the same.

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It's really no better than my 980 which is in the same rack and the 980 doesn't use Anchor Bay.

The 980 has pleasing images but the 983H and BDP-83 are a definite cut above.

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On my 50 inch Pioneer plasma the zooming positively sucks to be honest. It's average SD DVD playback was a big reason I was looking at a Pioneer 09FD. I really hope the 83 is implemented better.

There is something wrong somewhere. I've never seen better zooming than the 983H and BDP-83. You're using HDMI, right? And calibrating?

-Bill
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post #4227 of 38733
3/21/09 at 6:30am
I got the EAP2 invite last night. I will probably pull the trigger, but in my case its not an obvious call. I use a Lumagen HDP to upconvert and handle the greyscale and gamma correction for my RS1 projector. The Lumagen is considered as good as it gets in video processing, so I would be operating the Oppo in Source Direct mode. $500 seems a bit steep for what amounts to a basic transport, although the analog audio outputs with full decoding is nice.

Kevin
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post #4228 of 38733
3/21/09 at 6:48am
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The typical 5.1 analog input is handled as an analog bypass, with no A/D conversion, no bass management, and no surround processing. There are a few exceptions to this, of course (Outlaw's Model 990, for example, and also the Anthem AVM20 apparently), but they are rare and the controls offered while the signal is in the digital domain are generally limited.

Correct. The AVM20 is the exception and can apply all DPL and THX surround modes and bass management to the 5.1 inputs. Purists will say that the additional A-D and D-A conversions compromise the sound quality. Perhaps, but it must be very minor - to my ears the sound is excellent. If I switch between optical/coax digital-in and the 5.1 inputs on a DVD I can hear no obvious difference. On the other hand, the difference between digital-in and 5.1 analog in from a tru-hd blu-ray is very apparent.

Btw Gonk, I read your review - good job. As a Canadian I am not eligbile for the EAP, but I will definitely buy a BDP-83 when it is released. Your review touched the points important to me with my aging but still well performing system.

Cheers
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post #4229 of 38733
3/21/09 at 7:07am
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

No, it is the same.



The 980 has pleasing images but the 983H and BDP-83 are a definite cut above.



There is something wrong somewhere. I've never seen better zooming than the 983H and BDP-83. You're using HDMI, right? And calibrating?

-Bill

Have you compared the zooming/upconverting to a Denon 3800BDCI? Thanks
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3/21/09 at 7:28am
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

There is something wrong somewhere. I've never seen better zooming than the 983H and BDP-83. You're using HDMI, right? And calibrating?

-Bill

I'm using HDMI and yes, I do calibrate the Pioneer.

I don't know, I guess its really just an issue with aspect ratio. And I can't use any of the zoom or adjustments to fix it. I wind up watching most everything in "Full" mode with sidebars on the screen because the 983 tends to "chunk" up the people (squashed and wide).

I watch a fair amount of musical DVD's like Roger Water's "In the Flesh" and the picture is actually better from my 980 than the 983. Fills the frame more, better views. The 983 is a good player, no question but its never seemed to live up to the hype.
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