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Originally Posted by barryecohen View Post

Sorry, but I'm not gloating. I'm not an early adopter. This will be my first player that supports, the to me, "New" formats

What prompted me to spend the extra was my noticing that DVDs have been getting more expensive while BR discs are holding their price steady, lessening the price differential. In general I don't go to the movies, and pick up new releases of films I want to see at the reduced introductory prices. About a year ago those prices were in the $14-$18 dollar range for DVDs and $25-$30 for BRs. Lately is seems as though new DVDs are in the $18-$24 range while BR is unchanged.

For those BR's that you want to watch but don't want to buy, Netflix has a fairly good, and expanding, selection of Blu-rays. Although they charge $1 per month extra for their BR service, monthly fees can be less than $10. (In our area, delivery is very prompt, usually within 24 hours.)

Jim
post #4592 of 38733
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Release date: March 24, 2009
Category: Latest Preliminary Release
Main Version: BDP83-16-0320
Loader Version: BE2100 85752100
Sub Version: MCU83-19-0122
Release Notes:

The major changes included in this version are:

1. Preliminary DVD-Audio Support.

This firmware version provides

preliminary support for DVD-Audio playback. The DVD-Audio feature is still at an very early stage, and this firmware is just a proof of concept. Disc compatibility issues and menu navigation difficulties are expected. We are accelerating the implementation and will provide improvements with future firmware updates. 2. Fix for the audio drop-out issue affecting the bitstream output of DTS-HD Master Audio.
3. Fix for the audio drop-out issue affecting some discs with Dolby TrueHD audio tracks, such as the "Celine Dion: Live in Las Vegas - A New Day" disc;
4. Slow motion playback.

This firmware version adds a "slow motion playback" feature. To access this feature, please first pause the playback, and then use the left and right arrow buttons to select a slow motion playback speed. DVD-Video discs and Blu-ray Discs without BD-Java navigation are supported for this feature.

5. Other general disc compatibility and performance improvements.

Excellent.

Downloaded via the internet with no problem at all.

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Firmware Upgrade via the Internet

Turn on your TV display and the OPPO player. Make sure that there is no disc in the player and the player is not playing any content from a USB device.
Press the SETUP button on the remote control to enter the setup menu. Select Device Setup, Firmware Upgrade, and then Via Network.
The player will start searching for the new firmware from an OPPO firmware server. Please follow the on-screen instructions to complete the firmware upgrade process.
DO NOT ATTEMPT TO TURN OFF THE PLAYER, UNPLUG THE POWER, OR PRESS ANY BUTTONS OTHER THAN NECESSARY TO RESPOND TO THE ON-SCREEN PROMPT DURING THE REMAINING UPGRADE PROCESS.
In order to complete the firmware upgrade process, the player will turn off automatically.
Turn on the player after the firmware upgrade process is completed. Press the SETUP button on the remote control to enter the setup menu. Select Device Setup, Reset Factory Default, and then choose OK to reset the player settings. Enter your customized settings as necessary after resetting.
Check the new firmware version by going to the setup menu, and then selecting Device Setup - Firmware Information. Congratulations! You have just completed the firmware upgrade.

Simple and painless.
post #4593 of 38733
I picked up my BDP-83 yesterday. I can compare its Blu-ray functionality against the Panasonic BD-35 and the LG BH200; the DVD up-scaling/de-interlacing capabilities will be tested against the BH200 (QDEO processor), Toshiba A35 and XA2 (REON). I also have an Oppo 980H and an Oppo 971H to compare with (mostly for SACD and/or DVD-A implementations). I do have a limited amount of Blu-ray media for testing as well as a Blu-enabled Netflix account. I do have one question regarding the MKV playback via USB - can it access a portable hard drive (a WD Passport, for example)? As long as the drive is formatted via FAT32 this should work, or would I need to use BOTH USB ports to obtain the required voltage (like I have to do with some laptops)? It seems these portable hard drives require more power than the standard thumb drives (due to the mechanical nature of the drives themselves compared to flash memory, perhaps).

P.S. I have a large library of SACD and DVD-Audio discs to test with!
post #4594 of 38733
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Originally Posted by NeilPeart View Post

I do have one question regarding the MKV playback via USB - can it access a portable hard drive (a WD Passport, for example)? As long as the drive is formatted via FAT32 this should work, or would I need to use BOTH USB ports to obtain the required voltage (like I have to do with some laptops)? It seems these portable hard drives require more power than the standard thumb drives (due to the mechanical nature of the drives themselves compared to flash memory, perhaps).

The external drive I use has a separate AC adapter for power, so the USB port only provides communication. I think you'll need a laptop-style external drive that is intended to operate off of minimal power to hope to be able to use it without separate power.
post #4595 of 38733
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Originally Posted by NeilPeart View Post

I do have one question regarding the MKV playback via USB - can it access a portable hard drive (a WD Passport, for example)? As long as the drive is formatted via FAT32 this should work, or would I need to use BOTH USB ports to obtain the required voltage (like I have to do with some laptops)? It seems these portable hard drives require more power than the standard thumb drives (due to the mechanical nature of the drives themselves compared to flash memory, perhaps).

See the FAQ: Why won't my USB device work?

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See the manual (Media File Playback):

* The device must be formatted as FAT or FAT32.

NTFS and other file system are not supported.

* From the manual:

This unit supports "USB Mass Storage Class Bulk-Only Transport" devices only. Most USB thumbs drives, portable hard disk drives and card readers conform to this device class. Other USB devices such as MP3 players, digital cameras, and mobile phones may not be compatible.

* Hard drives should have external power.

I recall the manual has details on the supplied voltage; it will not power usb drives.

-Bill
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Thread Starter 
USB should be 5V.
post #4597 of 38733
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Originally Posted by NeilPeart View Post

As long as the drive is formatted via FAT32 this should work, or would I need to use BOTH USB ports to obtain the required voltage (like I have to do with some laptops)?

The USB standard is 5V and 500 mA. According to the BDP-83 manual, both ports support this.

I have seen and used USB hard drives like the one you describe - there are 2 USB connectors and no power cord. However, one of the USB connectors is used for power only. And, it is always required, its not like you can sometimes use just one. If the drive requires 2 but works with only one and draws more than 500 mA, it is violating the USB standard and could possibly damage the USB port on what you're plugging it into.

Bottom line, if the hard drive supports the "USB Mass Storage Class Bulk-Only Transport" as Bill says is in the manual, then you should be able to use it by pluging both the USB ports into the 2 USB ports on the OPPO. I would not try doing it with just 1 if your drive requires an extra USB connection for additional power.
post #4598 of 38733
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

Update: The lossless "MLP" track on the "homemade" Dark Side DVD-A plays back correctly at 96khz in glorious 4.1 (sic). Of course, I don't know if thing is mastered like a proper DVD-A, but I think it is, minus any sort of "key" requirement. The .1 bit is annoying, and there is a pause between each track. But I know the former is someone's idea of a good update to the source material, and the latter may be dodgy mastering rather than an problem with the Oppo.

Can anyone recommend a single DVD-A commercially availalable that does NOT have the "key" limitation? If I can find it locally, I'll pick it up and try it.

---
But now I'm going radio-silent for a while to listen to some music and watch some video. If I'm not back by this time tomorrow, please send someone after me.

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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

There's not much to be testing. DVD-A is working but needs refinement. There will be setup options added soon, and the encryption bug will be fixed soon as well. I'm not sure there's anything to be gained right now by posting lists of discs that do or do not play, seeing as how this thread is already choking with OT posts. I tried a half dozen different DVD-A and they all played perfectly.

MLP file support on disc or USB is not yet working either.

Just looking for a confirmation as my player is in route. nathan_h states his unit plays the "MLP" track of DSOTM while rdgrimes states the "MLP" track is not yet supported.

I have this "homemade" disc too & will certainly give it a try.

Thanks nathan_h for posting about this disc.
post #4599 of 38733
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Originally Posted by SwampDawg78 View Post

Just looking for a confirmation as my player is in route. nathan_h states his unit plays the "MLP" track of DSOTM while rdgrimes states the "MLP" track is not yet supported.

rdgrimes is talking about .mlp files. The other players support them but the BDP-83 does not, yet.

-Bill
post #4600 of 38733
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Originally Posted by BobearQSI View Post

The USB standard is 5V and 500 mA. According to the BDP-83 manual, both ports support this.

I have seen and used USB hard drives like the one you describe - there are 2 USB connectors and no power cord. However, one of the USB connectors is used for power only. And, it is always required, its not like you can sometimes use just one. If the drive requires 2 but works with only one and draws more than 500 mA, it is violating the USB standard and could possibly damage the USB port on what you're plugging it into.

Bottom line, if the hard drive supports the "USB Mass Storage Class Bulk-Only Transport" as Bill says is in the manual, then you should be able to use it by pluging both the USB ports into the 2 USB ports on the OPPO. I would not try doing it with just 1 if your drive requires an extra USB connection for additional power.

The only thing I've tested (besides USB sticks) is a Seagate FreeAgent drive, which the player detects but does not mount. It just occured to me that this is NTFS, so I actually haven't tested a USB-powered drive.

-Bill
post #4601 of 38733
Just wanted to update and Oppo doesn't mention anything about a
fix in the new firmware.

Crackling in rear speakers still not fixed in Narnia - Prince Caspian
DTS HD MA 7.1 as stated in first post.


I like the slow motion feature. Good work Oppo.

...but it doesn't work with BD-Java enabled discs.

Is this a BD-Java problem?

Quote:


Originally Posted by Neuromancer
Release date: March 24, 2009
Category: Latest Preliminary Release
Main Version: BDP83-16-0320
Loader Version: BE2100 85752100
Sub Version: MCU83-19-0122
Release Notes:

The major changes included in this version are:

1. Preliminary DVD-Audio Support.
This firmware version provides preliminary support for DVD-Audio playback. The DVD-Audio feature is still at an very early stage, and this firmware is just a proof of concept. Disc compatibility issues and menu navigation difficulties are expected. We are accelerating the implementation and will provide improvements with future firmware updates.
2. Fix for the audio drop-out issue affecting the bitstream output of DTS-HD Master Audio.
3. Fix for the audio drop-out issue affecting some discs with Dolby TrueHD audio tracks, such as the "Celine Dion: Live in Las Vegas - A New Day" disc;
4. Slow motion playback.
This firmware version adds a "slow motion playback" feature. To access this feature, please first pause the playback, and then use the left and right arrow buttons to select a slow motion playback speed. DVD-Video discs and Blu-ray Discs without BD-Java navigation are supported for this feature.
5. Other general disc compatibility and performance improvements.
post #4602 of 38733
We now have 153 forum members reflected on the list against EAP 300 tonight.

To be added to the list of AVSforum participants after being randomly selected by Oppo Digital for EAP 300, please send me a private message.

Added NeilPeart and mark69 just now.
post #4603 of 38733
I highly recommend using self-powered ExtHDs, as the price competition strains an ExtHD company's manufacturing and testing specs, and put your oppo's USB ports in danger. The data-transfer side of USB should never approach 500MA, spinning up the disc almost has to.
post #4604 of 38733
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Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post


I like the slow motion feature. Good work Oppo.

...but it doesn't work with BD-Java enabled discs.

Is this a BD-Java problem?

Yes. As usual.

I was told they would pursue slow motion forward for BD-J, but that reverse is impossible for those discs.

-Bill
post #4605 of 38733
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Yes. As usual.

I was told they would pursue slow motion forward for BD-J, but that reverse is impossible for those discs.

-Bill

Why am I not surprised.

BD-Java seems to create more problems than not.
post #4606 of 38733
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

Crackling in rear speakers still not fixed in Narnia - Prince Caspian DTS HD MA 7.1 as stated in first post.

There is a reason why I have a running Bug List on the first post. Your error has not been moved to the squashed section because, for the most part, decoding errors have not been resolved. The main advantage of the new firmware is that you will no longer experience audio dropout issues with DTS HD-Master audio when bit streaming.

Some other issues, such as Dolby Digital not properly decoding (such as the subwoofer channel) were also fixed, but not noted in the release notes.
post #4607 of 38733
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

There is a reason why I have a running Bug List on the first post. Your error has not been moved to the squashed section for a reason

Understood, I was just updating those who always seem to forget
to check the first post for updates, including myself.
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I just checked Oppo's second EAP page and it appears that they are ready to start accepting votes for round two.
post #4609 of 38733
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

Understood, I was just updating those who always seem to forget
to check the first post for updates, including myself.

I personally would only bother reporting things which were fixed but not reported (which happens sometimes as OPPO does not release full firmware disclosures), or additional errors created by the firmware release.
post #4610 of 38733
For people with lip-sync problems with BD you might try turning off 24p - This worked for me on my old Samsung 1200. It's just another process in the signal mix if you're not using HDMI. Certainly, if it works it's only a temp fix, but you might be able to enjoy a movie.
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"and I'd like to thank the academy for granting me the 'New Blu title whose content did Not require every manufacturer to scramble to update their firmware so customers could view it' award, and..."

It doesn't take too much imagination to foresee having to buy a new player every couple years from the price-cut manufacturer's, how will they afford -constant- firmware tweaks to keep up with this "Yeah. Neato. but Who Cares?" crap.

"where have all the (elegant, anal-retentive, over-testing) programmers gone... gone to retirement, every one..."
post #4612 of 38733
You have to love BD-Java. What were they thinking. More problematic for the end user but it made the studios happy?
post #4613 of 38733
Java is Sun Microsystems way to get back at Microsoft. Unfortunately, the BD people chose it, and now they're pretending it's a non-issue.
post #4614 of 38733
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Originally Posted by Jim Cate View Post

For those BR's that you want to watch but don't want to buy, Netflix has a fairly good, and expanding, selection of Blu-rays. Although they charge $1 per month extra for their BR service, monthly fees can be less than $10. (In our area, delivery is very prompt, usually within 24 hours.)

Jim

Thanks for the heads-up Jim, I'll look into it.
I enjoy building my library, but may reconsider.

Best, Barry
post #4615 of 38733
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Originally Posted by bootstew View Post

I just checked Oppo's second EAP page and it appears that they are ready to start accepting votes for round two.

Wow when they fill in the comments after voting, that Oppo site list will be very long.
post #4616 of 38733
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Originally Posted by bootstew View Post

I just checked Oppo's second EAP page and it appears that they are ready to start accepting votes for round two.

100% of the 300 have not voted no.
post #4617 of 38733
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Originally Posted by barryecohen View Post

Thanks for the heads-up Jim, I'll look into it.
I enjoy building my library, but may reconsider.

Best, Barry

Netflix is awesome. I send back a movie on Mon, Netflix receives and ships on Tues, and I have a movie to watch on Wed. The have about 80,000 titles. You can trust me, I'm an old Exit 11 guy.
post #4618 of 38733
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Originally Posted by SwampDawg78 View Post

Just looking for a confirmation as my player is in route. nathan_h states his unit plays the "MLP" track of DSOTM while rdgrimes states the "MLP" track is not yet supported.

Since there still seems to be confusion:

Playing MLP format DVD-A discs is not the same thing as playing MLP files on a USB drive or data disc. The player can handle DVD-A discs with MLP format, but does not yet support playback of MLP files on a USB drive or data disc.
post #4619 of 38733
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Originally Posted by bootstew View Post

I just checked Oppo's second EAP page and it appears that they are ready to start accepting votes for round two.

So it appears that EAP1 does not vote again?
post #4620 of 38733
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Since there still seems to be confusion:

Playing MLP format DVD-A discs is not the same thing as playing MLP files on a USB drive or data disc. The player can handle DVD-A discs with MLP format, but does not yet support playback of MLP files on a USB drive or data disc.

Thanks for the clarification..........looking forward to playing the "homemade" DVD-A version of DSOTM. It actually is Alan Parsons Quad mix from the days of Quadraphonic Sound............those of us whom were there. As I recall it did come out as a Quad LP someone put it into the digital domain & now we have it as a 4.1 channel DVD-A using the MLP format.
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