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post #4621 of 38773
3/24/09 at 7:28pm
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Originally Posted by HDVikes View Post

So it appears that EAP1 does not vote again?

70% of 300 = 210
70% of 350 = 245

Works for me.
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post #4622 of 38773
3/24/09 at 7:47pm
I am a member of the EAP2 program and should be receiving the player tomorrow. I will be connecting the player to a Pioneer Pro-111FD display and a Marantz SR8500 via 7.1 My question revolves more around video setup. After reading Gary Murrell's review source direct appears to be the way to go, some have said let the player perform the processing, auto or 1080p in the player. What are your opinions?

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post #4623 of 38773
3/24/09 at 7:52pm
Thread Starter 
I personally use 1080p/60Hz since my projector suffers from built in judder (ie. there is no benefit to using 1080p/24Hz).
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post #4624 of 38773
3/24/09 at 7:53pm
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Originally Posted by Robin howarth View Post

I am a member of the EAP2 program and should be receiving the player tomorrow. I will be connecting the player to a Pioneer Pro-111FD display and a Marantz SR8500 via 7.1 My question revolves more around video setup. After reading Gary Murrell's review source direct appears to be the way to go, some have said let the player perform the processing, auto or 1080p in the player. What are your opinions?

I have not tested Source Direct for Blu-ray (no 24hz for me) but I would expect the differences to be minimal.

-Bill
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post #4625 of 38773
3/24/09 at 8:00pm
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Originally Posted by NeilPeart View Post

P.S. I have a large library of SACD and DVD-Audio discs to test with!

Sweet - not sure anybody wants to take this on, but a section (front page with spoiler tag) that lists tested discs might not suck... That way we can test for improvements in FW as particular problem discs are found to work in time...

Just sayin'....
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post #4626 of 38773
3/24/09 at 8:03pm
I suspect that once the encrypted disc support gets rolled in, we'll stop having much need for such a list - at which point all we might want to do is list discs that have playback issues for other reasons (if there are any)...
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post #4627 of 38773
3/24/09 at 8:10pm
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Originally Posted by gonk View Post

I suspect that once the encrypted disc support gets rolled in, we'll stop having much need for such a list - at which point all we might want to do is list discs that have playback issues for other reasons (if there are any)...

+1.
Right now we have only one or 2 SACD that cause problems, and expect all DVD-A to be fine very soon. For the time being there's really no reason to report any DVD-A playback issues, but do report SACD issues.

Also do keep in mind that if you are using 7.1 analog, setting SACD to DSD will bypass all setup and bass management in the player.
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post #4628 of 38773
3/24/09 at 8:27pm
fair enough...

BTW, based on an image that Engadget used, I found a good source for their image that I thought those in this thread would appreciate. Forgive if you've seen it already:
http://www.retrothing.com/2008/08/general-electri.html

So, how do I hook my Oppo up to THAT?!
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post #4629 of 38773
3/24/09 at 8:28pm
Go Nathan of San Jose! The vote just started and the guy already voted yes!

2 guys from my city (Perry and Martin) and 1 guy really close in Bethesda and 2 in DC got them. That's cool.
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post #4630 of 38773
3/24/09 at 8:42pm
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Originally Posted by GotHDTV? View Post

Go Nathan of San Jose! The vote just started and the guy already voted yes!

2 guys from my city (Perry and Martin) and 1 guy really close in Bethesda and 2 in DC got them. That's cool.

C'mon. The guy picked it up today. Had his wife drive the Dodge minivan, plugged it into the DVD player and on the way back to SJ, he worked out the SD and stereo. When he got home, had dinner, worked out the BD, SACD, HDMI, Analog, 5.1, 7.1, all the codecs, etc., voted, and went to bed
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post #4631 of 38773
3/24/09 at 8:52pm
Updated my BDP-83s firmware via (wired) network this evening--ran without a hitch.

Watched Hellboy 2 with dts-MA 7.1 bitstreaming via HDMI to Sony 4400ES; didn't experience a single audio dropout.

Huzzah!

Also--this is totally anecdotal, but it seems that the player runs slightly cooler as well. I base this on tactile and olfactory data, so take it as you will--but I noticed a distinct difference.
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post #4632 of 38773
3/24/09 at 9:08pm
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Originally Posted by Barry18025 View Post

C'mon. The guy picked it up today. Had his wife drive the Dodge minivan, plugged it into the DVD player and on the way back to SJ, he worked out the SD and stereo. When he got home, had dinner, worked out the BD, SACD, HDMI, Analog, 5.1, 7.1, all the codecs, etc., voted, and went to bed

I agree that it is not very test worthy if what you say is true (having it less then a day). I wonder why Oppo opened the vote so early when others have not received their units yet...... I still like the yes vote though.
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post #4633 of 38773
3/24/09 at 9:25pm
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Originally Posted by sharkshark View Post

fair enough...

BTW, based on an image that Engadget used, I found a good source for their image that I thought those in this thread would appreciate. Forgive if you've seen it already:
http://www.retrothing.com/2008/08/general-electri.html

So, how do I hook my Oppo up to THAT?!

OMG!!!!!!!!!! That's pretty funny! You have to read the article and comments too. LMAO!


BTW, you would have to use the composite output of the BDP-83, while also using a composite -> F converter and watch a skinnyized 480i pic .
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post #4634 of 38773
3/24/09 at 9:31pm
Should be getting my player tomorrow, can't wait, will post thoughts asap.
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post #4635 of 38773
3/24/09 at 9:35pm
I almost titled this post DSD versus PCM but then thought better of it. What I am wondering about is that the OPPO BDP-83 setup routine offers the option of using DSD or PCM for SACD. It goes further to note that unless your receiver (Pre/Pro) is able to decode DSD, you should select PCM for analog SACD.

Since my processor is a 2002 Rotel RSP-1066 and it does not mention DSD anywhere in the manual, I figured it wouldn't decode so I selected PCM. Then I succumbed to the temptation to try DSD on SACD and it work just fine.

I don't know if the OPPO is decoding and sending the DSD signal to the Rotel which then simply passes it through or if the Rotel can actually decode DSD. In either case, I got DSD and I can't tell any difference between it and PCM for SACD. And that's why I didn't title this post, DSD vs. PCM. I doubt that any difference is worth the debate.
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post #4636 of 38773
3/24/09 at 9:39pm
My Lexicon MC-8 does not have an HDMI input, nor can it handle HD codec. Therefore, I am considering relying on the Oppo Blu-Ray player for that job. Any advice? Can the Oppo set distances for speakers, generate internal test tones, manage crossover settings, etc? I will try to pick up an SVS AS-EQ1 for Room EQ since my Lexicon can't do that either.

If this option is no good, then I will have to go the more expensive route of replacing the processor.
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post #4637 of 38773
3/24/09 at 9:43pm
I won't have my new amp until late next week, so I've been watching movies on my TV instead of my projector. I'm looking forward to hearing the OPPO's audio quality in a good quality system. meanwhile is there already a new firmware update? I've been following this thread as best I can here, but may have lost track.

Now, what's up with the fast forward of DVD's? It's really horrible. Even the fastest setting is really slow and it just takes forever to get to something. It's like a series of still shots, not fast motion and it's really beginning to bother me.
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post #4638 of 38773
3/24/09 at 9:57pm
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Originally Posted by Martin Butler View Post

meanwhile is there already a new firmware update?

Yes it came out this evening.
Release date: March 24, 2009
Latest Preliminary Release. Players for the second round of Early Adoption Program already have this version pre-installed.
Only the Main Version: BDP83-16-0320 firmware Installation Instructions and Download Link
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post #4639 of 38773
3/24/09 at 10:26pm
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post


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good lord, man...You found an emoticon just for ME!

WTF has THIS been all thread (and, well, the previous three...)
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post #4640 of 38773
3/24/09 at 10:31pm
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Originally Posted by bborzell View Post

]Since my processor is a 2002 Rotel RSP-1066 and it does not mention DSD anywhere in the manual, I figured it wouldn't decode so I selected PCM....

NP, lads, I've got this one!

As you may notice here:



There's a (not) suprising lack of HDMI inputs on your pre/pro. Ergo, switching DSD to PCM is switching what the Oppo's outputting via analogue. If you're hooked up via Toslink, you ain't getting hiresolution anyway.

Confused yet? Methinks so...

Get an HDMI amp that accepts DSD and you'll STILL be hard pressed to tell a difference (with volume matching (!!!)), but be warmed in the knowledge that the Oppo's doing the heavy lifting for your system, and enjoy blissing out with m/c goodness as long as you hooked up correctly those pesky RCA do-hickeys... Oh, and feel free to use the search function, lots of talk about DSD/PCM over analogues in this very thread!
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post #4641 of 38773
3/24/09 at 10:33pm
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Originally Posted by sharkshark View Post

good lord, man...You found an emoticon just for ME!

WTF has THIS been all thread (and, well, the previous three...)

The shark is you, and the little yellow guy is the BDP-83. You just can't quite get your teeth sunk in it yet.
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post #4642 of 38773
3/24/09 at 10:35pm
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post #4643 of 38773
3/24/09 at 10:37pm
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Originally Posted by bborzell View Post

I almost titled this post DSD versus PCM but then thought better of it. What I am wondering about is that the OPPO BDP-83 setup routine offers the option of using DSD or PCM for SACD. It goes further to note that unless your receiver (Pre/Pro) is able to decode DSD, you should select PCM for analog SACD.

Since my processor is a 2002 Rotel RSP-1066 and it does not mention DSD anywhere in the manual, I figured it wouldn't decode so I selected PCM. Then I succumbed to the temptation to try DSD on SACD and it work just fine.

I don't know if the OPPO is decoding and sending the DSD signal to the Rotel which then simply passes it through or if the Rotel can actually decode DSD. In either case, I got DSD and I can't tell any difference between it and PCM for SACD. And that's why I didn't title this post, DSD vs. PCM. I doubt that any difference is worth the debate.

Since your Rotel RSP-1066 only has 7.1 analog inputs, DSD decoding must be performed by the BDP-83 and sent out through the analog outputs. The reference to the AVPs/AVRs being able to decode DSD only applies to units that have HDMI inputs that can accept the DSD streams for decoding by AVPs/AVRs that support that feature (not your case).

If you set the the SACD output on your BDP-83 to DSD, the DSD data will be converted into an analog signal directly by the internal DACs.

If you set the the SACD output on your BDP-83 to PCM, the DSD data will be converted to PCM by the BDP-83's DSP. That PCM data will in turn be fed to the DACs. This option will give you more flexibility as you'll be able to use features such as the channel down-mix mode, the bass management, volume trims & distance settings for your speakers.

See pages 53 through 62 in the user manual.
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post #4644 of 38773
3/24/09 at 10:37pm
ps. Smarty, you saw this link? http://www.myvintagetv.com/dumont_101a.htm
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post #4645 of 38773
3/24/09 at 10:42pm
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Originally Posted by gchuva View Post

My Lexicon MC-8 does not have an HDMI input, nor can it handle HD codec. Therefore, I am considering relying on the Oppo Blu-Ray player for that job. Any advice? Can the Oppo set distances for speakers, generate internal test tones, manage crossover settings, etc? I will try to pick up an SVS AS-EQ1 for Room EQ since my Lexicon can't do that either.

If this option is no good, then I will have to go the more expensive route of replacing the processor.

Read my previous reply to bborzell, it applies to your case as well.
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post #4646 of 38773
3/24/09 at 10:43pm
crap. Bastard/super nice new member from our most delicous-ist and best-ist city (mmm... http://www.restaurantaupieddecochon.ca/) posted at the same time, and without any sardonic comments to boot.

Screw it, I'm going to bed.

(correction) ah ha! I double posted...never mind, I was first. Suck it...
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post #4647 of 38773
3/24/09 at 10:44pm
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Originally Posted by sharkshark View Post

NP, lads, I've got this one!

As you may notice here:



There's a suprising lack of HDMI inputs on your pre/pro. Ergo, switching DSD to PCM is switching what the Oppo's outputting via analogue. If you're hooked up via Toslink, you ain't getting hiresolution anyway.

Confused yet? Methinks so...

Get a pre/pro with DSD-over-HDMI, and you'll still be hard pressed to tell the difference (after volume matching (!!!), but that, kids, is another story...

ps. Smarty, you saw this link? http://www.myvintagetv.com/dumont_101a.htm

sharkshark, it's bad enough that you double write your name. Don't start double posting the same messages!
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post #4648 of 38773
3/24/09 at 10:46pm
Oppo has conatacted me and I have ordered it. I should have it Wed

I have a Pioneer Elite Pro-110FD paired with Elite VSX84 receiver.

I'm planning on using the audio 5.1 inputs

Can anyone help me with tweak settings ??

Oppo set up ???

Receiver ????
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post #4649 of 38773
3/24/09 at 11:00pm
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Originally Posted by sharkshark View Post

crap. Bastard/super nice new member from our most delicous-ist and best-ist city (mmm... http://www.restaurantaupieddecochon.ca/) posted at the same time, and without any sardonic comments to boot.

Screw it, I'm going to bed.

(correction) ah ha! I double posted...never mind, I was first. Suck it...

Thanks for the restaurant recommendation. I'll check it out.

Sweet piggy dreams!
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post #4650 of 38773
3/24/09 at 11:07pm
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Originally Posted by Liteu View Post

Oppo has conatacted me and I have ordered it. I should have it Wed

I have a Pioneer Elite Pro-110FD paired with Elite VSX84 receiver.

I'm planning on using the audio 5.1 inputs

Can anyone help me with tweak settings ??

Oppo set up ???

Receiver ????

Read my reply to bborzell, 7 posts back.

Answers to most questions can be found on Bill McClain's excellent Unofficial OPPO BDP-83 FAQ

You can also download the OPPO BDP-83 Blu-ray Disc Player User Manual (preliminary version). Read pages 53 through 62.

Read the first page of this thread, it contains a lot of information.
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