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post #5011 of 38730
3/27/09 at 12:58am
Hi.
Looking at the players audio chart (p.56 manual) with Secondary audio ON the 83 will send TrueHD DTS bitstream over optical/coaxial this also applys to a DD track as well so good for PCM discs?
Sorry if been posted before.
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post #5012 of 38730
3/27/09 at 1:32am
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Originally Posted by Bronco70 View Post

Well I hate to rain on a parade, but feel there is no alternative.
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Here is where I will take the abuse. At this point I do not feel this product is ready for general release. If today was the last voting day my answer would be no. Of course we are not at that point yet.

Joe

No abuse. You've had issues with the player and your "no" vote seems perfectly reasonable under those circumstances. Like many others around here, I am more interested in honest assessment and seeing issues get resolved than in blind cheer leading. Continue to keep us posted...
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post #5013 of 38730
3/27/09 at 3:42am
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Originally Posted by sharkshark View Post

fyi, I got this as PM from Perpendicular, who did me a -huge- favour and tried out the Brick set. Can't say this is promising:

Responding to "how's it working?", I got:



FWIW, the 980 plays these discs fine, both layers. The 971 wouldn't play them at all.

I fear, based on the fact that one disc played and the others did not, that this ain't an issue with FW. Still, I can remain hopeful, but I do wish Oppo would buy one of these titles for testing already....

My 981 plays all these fine. In fact, the 981 never met an SACD, Dual Disc, or DVD-A it didn't play. I have over 60 SACDs, 25 DVD-As, 10 Dual Discs and countless HDCDs. All play flawlessly. My 981 is staying in my rack as insurance even after I get the 83.
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post #5014 of 38730
3/27/09 at 4:33am
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Originally Posted by Bronco70 View Post

Well I hate to rain on a parade, but feel there is no alternative.

My 83 arrived on Wednesday. First thing that was not usual for oppo was the wrong instruction on page 9 of the manual to change the remote code. Set the dip switch in the bat bay and hold down the Enter button for 5 seconds. No joy.

Did you have the tray ejected? Resyncing the remote doesn't work otherwise.



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Inserted Casino Royale BD. The weirdest noise pattern that I have ever seen was displayed. It is hard to describe, not at the pixel level. Blocks of a very defined nature.

Other DVD and BD discs displayed same result.

How are you connected? As a diagnostic, connect directly to the display and try cycling through all the resolutions and see what shows. Turn 24p off for this.

-Bill
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post #5015 of 38730
3/27/09 at 4:44am
Can the BDP-83 bitstream audio?
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post #5016 of 38730
3/27/09 at 4:50am
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

Can the BDP-83 bitstream audio?

Please see:

-Bill
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post #5017 of 38730
3/27/09 at 4:55am
I wanted to ask the people testing DVD-A if any of them has tried NIN: With Teeth? When the disc was released some DVD-A players could play it and others couldn't without a firmware upgrade. Since that was some time ago the issue may have been fixed but I thought I would ask.
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post #5018 of 38730
3/27/09 at 5:32am
Is there a list of problem discs? Whether it be BD, DVD-A, DVD, SACD, etc... Maybe we could have a sticky, or first page of thread with-in this thread that us users could add such discs with comments as to if the disc won't play at all, or time stamp, etc... so the rest of us can try them out. Just an idea.
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post #5019 of 38730
3/27/09 at 5:58am
Anyone have issues with Quantum Of Solace BR locking up the player?

I'm going to do a mini review of my EAP player shortly, but wanted to make a quick note and see if anyone else had the problem with this disk. After the (forced) previews and Top Menu screens... when selecting audio and no subs, the screen went black like the movie was going to start...but never did. The display was stuck on Top Menu and none of the remote commands would execute. The player did respond to pressing the Eject button on the front, and once the disk was re-loaded it played as it should.

Also, what is the best way of noting issues to Oppo on the EAP program. I'm not ready to vote yet, as I have quite a few more BR's, DVDs, SACDs and DVD-As I want to throw at it...but did want to note the lock up issue as my older Pioneer player maybe did this once in 150 or so BRs.
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post #5020 of 38730
3/27/09 at 6:20am
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Originally Posted by barhoram View Post

Anyone have issues with Quantum Of Solace BR locking up the player?

I'll try it tonight.

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Also, what is the best way of noting issues to Oppo on the EAP program.

Send reports to support@oppodigital.com

-Bill
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post #5021 of 38730
3/27/09 at 6:22am
When ever I turn on the new Oppo, manually or with remote, it turns on my Sony TV (KDS-60A3000). In addition when I turn off my Sony the Oppo turns off. I have switched the options to 1, 2 & 3 with no luck.

So if I want to just listen to music or use my Sony projector the TV has to stay on. HELP!!!

Other than that this is one heck of a player. I believe it outperforms my 983 with both audio and video. I have played 3 blu-rays, 3 dvd's, 2 SACD's, 3 DVD-a's and my bootleg quad mix of DSOTM and it has been perfect, other than the above.
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post #5022 of 38730
3/27/09 at 6:27am
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Originally Posted by billatlakegeorge View Post

When ever I turn on the new Oppo, manually or with remote, it turns on my Sony TV (KDS-60A3000). In addition when I turn off my Sony the Oppo turns off. I have switched the options to 1, 2 & 3 with no luck.

So if I want to just listen to music or use my Sony projector the TV has to stay on. HELP!!!

You've physically set the switch in the remote battery compartment to 2 & 3 and it still turns on the TV?

-Bill
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post #5023 of 38730
3/27/09 at 6:30am
Exactly and the TV's remote and manual switch turns the oppo on and off.
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post #5024 of 38730
3/27/09 at 6:30am
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Originally Posted by billatlakegeorge View Post

When ever I turn on the new Oppo, manually or with remote, it turns on my Sony TV (KDS-60A3000). In addition when I turn off my Sony the Oppo turns off. I have switched the options to 1, 2 & 3 with no luck.

So if I want to just listen to music or use my Sony projector the TV has to stay on. HELP!!!

Other than that this is one heck of a player. I believe it outperforms my 983 with both audio and video. I have played 3 blu-rays, 3 dvd's, 2 SACD's, 3 DVD-a's and my bootleg quad mix of DSOTM and it has been perfect, other than the above.

You probably have HDMI CEC enabled, which allows the BD player to tell the TV to turn off/on when it turns off/on. From the manual (pg 64):

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HDMI CEC: To set HDMI Consumer Electronics Control (CEC) mode. CEC is an optional HDMI
feature that enables convenient remote control and automatic setup of consumer electronics over
the HDMI connection. The remote control function allows you to use a single remote handset to
operate multiple devices connected via HDMI. For example, you may use the TV remote to control
playback of the Blu-ray Disc player. The automatic setup function can automatically turn on the TV
and change to the proper input when you start playing a disc in the Blu-ray Disc player. It can also
turn off the player automatically when you turn off the TV.

shinksma
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post #5025 of 38730
3/27/09 at 6:33am
Yes, it sounds like a bad you know what flick.

Love the player and have had zero disc compatability issues playing a mixture of rented blu rays, owned blu rays, sd dvds, and "homeMade" Dvd-rs. Player has been solid through all with only a few foibles:
- Continue to have slight lip synch issues on sd dvds - I am bitstreaming into my onkyo 906 and cannot replicate those lip synch issues on my pioneer, so I do feel it's the oppo.

- As mentioned earlier, the FF function beyond 2 is a bit of a change for me. It flips to high speed frame by frame which is a bit annoying for folks who are used to visual cues to stop the FF.

- Even with a clear line of sight, I have had to often press buttons on the remote numerous times. It works, but seems to be a bit sensitive in response.

All in all, I am very favorably impressed with the player and intend to vote Yes tomorrow morning once I have had a chance to put it through its paces a bit more. My only real criticism (outside of the foibles listed above) would be the cut and design of the remote. It's functional and easy to find the layout, but looks like a universal remote your grandmother would buy at wal-mart after she spilled tea on her '89 zenith tv remote. I know I am being harsh, but compared to the pioneer (or even dare i say samsung), it is not an attractive pairing to such an attractive player.
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post #5026 of 38730
3/27/09 at 6:34am
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Originally Posted by billatlakegeorge View Post

When ever I turn on the new Oppo, manually or with remote, it turns on my Sony TV (KDS-60A3000). In addition when I turn off my Sony the Oppo turns off. I have switched the options to 1, 2 & 3 with no luck.

So if I want to just listen to music or use my Sony projector the TV has to stay on. HELP!!!

Other than that this is one heck of a player. I believe it outperforms my 983 with both audio and video. I have played 3 blu-rays, 3 dvd's, 2 SACD's, 3 DVD-a's and my bootleg quad mix of DSOTM and it has been perfect, other than the above.

I had the same problem with my Samsung HL 67A 750 with the OPPO and had to switch the HDMI CEC to limited in the setup menu. Now when I turn on the OPPO it turns on the Samsung, which is good for me.
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post #5027 of 38730
3/27/09 at 6:36am
Thanks shinksma, that's exactly what it was. It must have come from the factory like that because I don't think I touched that setting.

OK I can vote yes now.

Is there any reason to keep my 983?
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post #5028 of 38730
3/27/09 at 6:41am
On another note anyone have the codes for a URC MX700 - MX850 remotes I need the MXD or MXF files? One member here has the MXG files for the MX900 but they won't work.
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post #5029 of 38730
3/27/09 at 6:43am
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Originally Posted by CHAS ZOSS View Post

I had the same problem with my Samsung HL 67A 750 with the OPPO and had to switch the HDMI CEC to limited in the setup menu. Now when I turn on the OPPO it turns on the Samsung, which is good for me.

Die, HDMI CEC, Die!

-Bill
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post #5030 of 38730
3/27/09 at 6:48am
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

die, hdmi cec, die!

-bill

+1 ^
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post #5031 of 38730
3/27/09 at 6:50am
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Originally Posted by barhoram View Post

Anyone have issues with Quantum Of Solace BR locking up the player?

Nope. I used the 83 last week to review this disc. Not one hiccup.

Best regards,
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post #5032 of 38730
3/27/09 at 6:57am
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Originally Posted by barhoram View Post

Anyone have issues with Quantum Of Solace BR locking up the player?

Not here.

So far I have played:

Rumors DVD-A
SACD of Sacred Gamelan Music from Java
2-layer burn on Verbatim DL DVD (upscale of some dodgy material was very good).
Quantum of Solace BD
Baraka BD

Flying colors except Baraka chapter 18 stuttering.
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post #5033 of 38730
3/27/09 at 7:17am
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Die, HDMI CEC, Die!

-Bill

+2

That's what I got my Harmony remote for. I vant to be in kuntrol!
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post #5034 of 38730
3/27/09 at 7:25am
Well, I ran into a surprising lip-sync problem last night. Was playing a DVD of "Gigantic - A Tale Of Two Johns" and the sound was ahead of the video. No amount of stopping, tracking forward or backward, or power-cycling would correct it. It happened both with the 5.1 analog and coax digital outputs.

I'm going to put it down to how the disc is authored since it's a non-studio indie release and I haven't experienced any other issues with other DVD or BR discs, though I hadn't seen these problems on the DV-980H or even the old 970HD with this disc.

My wife is home sick from work today, so I've asked her to throw everything she can at it to see if we uncover anything else. This definitely isn't a deal-breaker if it's contained to one or two oddly authored DVDs.
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post #5035 of 38730
3/27/09 at 7:44am
Is there an official release date yet?
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post #5036 of 38730
3/27/09 at 7:54am
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Originally Posted by kingfats View Post

Looking at the players audio chart (p.56 manual) with Secondary audio ON the 83 will send TrueHD DTS bitstream over optical/coaxial this also applys to a DD track as well so good for PCM discs?

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking. Wherever the chart indicates "DTS*" the audio is being decoded, downconverted to a lower resolution if necessary, mixed with secondary audio, re-encoded as a high-bitrate (1509 kb/s) plain DTS soundtrack (the old lossy codec), and output through both optical/coaxial and HDMI when "Bitstream" is set.

Unfortunately, in my opinion, LPCM soundtracks are always output as two-channel LPCM to the optical/coaxial connections. In the case of 5.1/7.1 LPCM soundtracks and "Bitstream" being set, I think that the player should encode to 5.1 DTS instead, but that's not what it does according to the chart.

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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Die, HDMI CEC, Die!

Agreed, and I would strongly suggest that studios not make use of BD-J or Secondary Audio. What's the point of all of this overly complicated crap that doesn't work right, anyway? All they do is create serious issues while trying to solve nonexistent problems. For that matter, I don't like the user interface of any HD-DVD I've seen, either--in my opinion, DVD is superior to both HD disc formats in terms of UI. Clearly, in computing and now consumer electronics, we've long passed the threshold between improving UI and pointless, detrimental "innovation" for its own sake.
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post #5037 of 38730
3/27/09 at 8:01am
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Originally Posted by Kensmith48 View Post

Is there an official release date yet?

I'd imagine that would wait at least until the votes from EAP1/EAP2 members are counted and the required majority says yes - then internal review of beta results as well as a review of the issues brought up by the EAP'ers and an overall business review for the kickoff.

IMO, I don't think they start shipping the day the EAP groups say yes.
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post #5038 of 38730
3/27/09 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by NoiseGoth View Post

My wife is home sick from work today, so I've asked her to throw everything she can at it to see if we uncover anything else.

Careful, if she's sick, you could end up with something "thrown" at it that doesn't wipe off so easy...

It's good (in a weird way) to see all these reports of no-so-good behavior with some disks - it means there are still some bugs to work out, but that is the point of an EAP: other CEs would have just released it "as-is" and then provided firmware updates "to improve playback of certain BD-ROMs" eventually.

So kudos to Oppo for sticking with the plan. Should result in a very stable player when released into the wild.

shinksma
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post #5039 of 38730
3/27/09 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by shinksma View Post

You probably have HDMI CEC enabled, which allows the BD player to tell the TV to turn off/on when it turns off/on. From the manual (pg 64):



shinksma

That's exactly the problem. It had me going for a while. I'd suggest to OPPO that this should be off as the default.
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post #5040 of 38730
3/27/09 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by Bronco70 View Post

Well I hate to rain on a parade, but feel there is no alternative.

My 83 arrived on Wednesday. First thing that was not usual for oppo was the wrong instruction on page 9 of the manual to change the remote code. Set the dip switch in the bat bay and hold down the Enter button for 5 seconds. No joy.

Assumed it would be a set-up menu choice. Assumption correct, problem solved. My 983 is one shelf down in the rack.

Went through the simple setup wizard. Why is the default for owners with AVR's or pre-pros with HDMI 1.3 bitstream? (Perhaps because the PS3 will never be able to send HD audio that way?)

Having read all posts here realized that the bitstream output would not work when I tried a DVD A disc. Lighting up the DTS Master Audio and True HD indicators for the first time on my Integra 9.8 was nice. Time will tell if there is anything to the bitstream vs. LPCM issue. Switched to LPCM.

DVD-A at this point, 4 discs sounded fine.

Last evening all was looking good. Vote yes as delivered by the FedEx guy? Think not, a rash assessment.

Tonight, my player is one sick puppy.

I disclose that I am a big fan of oppo. My 971 and 983 have been amazing. I'm sure this will get fixed.

Inserted Casino Royale BD. The weirdest noise pattern that I have ever seen was displayed. It is hard to describe, not at the pixel level. Blocks of a very defined nature.

Other DVD and BD discs displayed same result.

The best way I can describe it is a fixed pattern of repeating horizontal squares. And alternative line patterns.

First Line: Blue, White, Red, White, Blue
Second Line:Green, Black, Green, Black. Green

Went through all the usual tests. Changed the HDMI cables, powered down the 83, switched the HDMI input for the 83 on the Integra.

The PS3 played the BD titles without problems from all inputs on the Integra.

The 983 had no problems. No surprise there.

I'll figure it out. If not on my own, well this is one helluva thread.

Here is where I will take the abuse. At this point I do not feel this product is ready for general release. If today was the last voting day my answer would be no. Of course we are not at that point yet.

My hope is that oppo kills the high price competition.

Oh, all the screws on my units fan cage are fine. Scary thought there.

Smarty Pants: Another new look?

Joe

Joe,
The instructions on page 9 of the manual also say you have to open the disc tray before holding down Enter on the remote. It is done this way to reduce the chance you will accidentally change the remote code in the Blu-Ray player if you have another Oppo remote for another Oppo player and happen to get a little ham-fisted with its Enter button. (All Oppo players share the same code for Enter.)

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On your image noise problem: Does the Oppo splash screen display properly when you Stop the disc?

Have you tried changing the output resolutions using the button on the lower left of the remote? 480p (not 480i) is the "simplest" resolution for HDMI to handle. If 480p works and, say, 1080p doesn't then the problem might be a marginal HDMI cable.

Also check your settings for 1080p/24 and HDMI Deep color. Try turning 1080p/24 OFF and Deep Color OFF. Either of these settings could cause the Oppo to send out video your display can't handle. And these wouldn't be available in the 983, so that may explain the difference you are seeing.
--Bob
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