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post #5761 of 38730
3/31/09 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

Has anyone used the S&M disc to check player/display settings?

The disc authors hang out and answer questions here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131344

-Bill
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post #5762 of 38730
3/31/09 at 8:39am
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

Has anyone used the S&M disc to check player/display settings?

I've noticed that the results of the crop tests on that disc differ greatly from those on the DVE disc and HDNET test patterns (stored on DVR).

No problem with it here in the BDP-83, results were as expected.
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post #5763 of 38730
3/31/09 at 9:10am
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Originally Posted by HT_n_Me View Post

I have the DTS CD "End of the Innocence" as well -played it again last night matter of fact and it plays normal. I can't imagine what the differences are in the disk or our BDP-83 machines that allow this.

This is unusual.

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Originally Posted by alfbinet View Post

I am in the same boat as Perpendicular, definitely a speed up issue for me with this disc. Very noticeable.

Glad to hear it's just not my player.

DTS-CD

Moody Blues - "Days of Future Passed" (disc played normal - nice surprise)
Sting - "Ten Summoner's Tales" (disc played faster than normal)
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post #5764 of 38730
3/31/09 at 9:38am
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Originally Posted by Kevin McCarthy View Post

Neuromancer: Source Direct is a major reason why I bought the BDP-83, and the only reason that I am fiddling with EDID is that Lumagen thought that this might help.

The only EDID check which occurs during Source Direct is the color space. You can always force a color space (Video Setup->HDMI) through the player itself.
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post #5765 of 38730
3/31/09 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

Jeff,

I just tried the following DVD's (DragonHeart, Artificial Intelligence & 21 Grams) which have a DTS soundtrack and they all played without the lip sync issue. I'll see what others I have and give them a test drive. However, I hope Oppo can resolve the issue with Moulin Rouge. For what its worth I have the Coaxil/Optical set to LPCM in the Audio Format Setup.

Willie

I played Field of Dreams in DTS last night with no issues. My only audio connection is analog multichannel. I got Moulin Rouge to sync by adjusting A/V sync under HDMI options to 80ms with DTS and 24p turned on.
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post #5766 of 38730
3/31/09 at 9:51am
Neuromancer: When I force 4:2:2, despite setting it in EDID and cycling power, the image is tinted red. The image is also inappropriately zoomed, and depending on the EDID choice, I can get two or three vertical bars of lighter than black. I think I need Oppo and Lumagen to work this out, but appreciate your input.

Kevin
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post #5767 of 38730
3/31/09 at 9:59am
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Originally Posted by barryecohen View Post

Well I can confirm that I too have lip-sync issues with "Moulin Rouge" in DTS, DD on the other-hand is great!

P.S. This is a really fun movie that I hadn't watched in some time, thanks for the nudge to put it in the player.

P.P.S. a quick google brought up this from 2001, so it's obviously an issue with the disc and not the oppo.

I'm glad you enjoyed it. Hard to believe it was that long ago that it came out. Also, glad to hear the poster's confirmation of the superiority of the DTS version which speaks to the reason that simply switching to the DD version is not an adequate solution. As I have stated go into Video Setup>HDMI options>adjust to 80 ms with 24p on and see if that brings the lip sync in. I did all my testing at the beginning of the scene where the "money man" states that he does not like the ending. If the problem differs from scene to scene then it's a whole new problem.
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post #5768 of 38730
3/31/09 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by kirkusinnc View Post

I received my BDP-83 yesterday as a member of EAP2. Initial impressions are positive. I have to admit when I picked up the box and heard some rattles/movements, I was a bit concerned. The unit itself was carefully packed and arrived in excellent condition. The rattle was merely the remote and cords moving which are all packed in a separate box inside.

I removed my current Blu-Ray player (Pioneer Elite BDP-95FD) and hooked up the BDP-83. My initial impressions playing videos:
  1. The player is surprisingly quicker. Faster starting, faster loading a disc, etc.
  2. Menu graphics are extremely nice and detailed. Smack of high quality.
  3. Quality of video is stunning and as good as the Pioneer. I need to spend some more time here
  4. I tried some region-free PAL format DVDs which I can use with my Denon DVD-2930. The Denon will convert them to NTSC so I may view on my Sony XBR1; no joy with the OPPO - it does not convert (which the manual does state). I was hoping to replace the Denon too. Looks like I will need to keep it.
  5. I have also experienced the lip sync problems. I was able to reproduce easily on the BluRay of Groundhog Day by switching between the DolbyHD soundtrack and director's commentary using the Audio button. After switching a few times, both would clearly lose sync.

Next, I wanted to try SACD, DVD-A, and HDCD audio performance. Initial impressions here:
  1. As many have stated here earlier, DVD-A is a bit sketchy. I was unable to play the MLP tracks on any disc I tried. At best, some sound with skips, loud pops, etc. Many simply would not play at all.
  2. SACD performance is much better. Everything I threw at it worked fine.
  3. HDCD - Tried a couple of discs (Mark Knopfler - Sailing to Philly and Kenny Wayne Sheppard - Trouble Is). Both did play and the OPPO did light up they were HDCD's. The HDCD light never lit on the Denon 3808 receiver when playing Mark Knopfler but would light sporadically when playing Kenny Wayne Sheppard. (Connection was via HDMI.) Sound of each was not as good as when listening via the Denon 2930; the OPPO sound was a bit thin.

Regards, Kirk

I have also found the upper midrange on CDs to be "thin" and the high frequecies "hot" compared to the analog outputs of my Denon 2910.

I am planning on putting the Denon back in my system tonight and do some direct comparisons. I will also try the Denon's digital output to my Anthem processor. I would expect that regardless of the source (Denon or Oppo) the digital feed should sound the same as the the processors DACSs will be doing the conversion in either case.

I had tried the Oppo using both the analog outputs as well as a HDMI digital feed over to my processor with similar results. I will also try the coaxial input as well to see if that makes any difference.

Is anyone else noticing similarly "thin and "hot" sounding CDs?

Additionally, I tried playing several self burned CD-Rs last night. Most played fine however, I had a brief instance on one disc where the audio would intermittently drop out for a few seconds and then resume. I stopped and restared the disc and it played fine.

Obviously there are still issues to be worked out and SACDs seem to sound fine but if Redbook CDs are going to sound like lthis I may have to keep the Denon in the system for them. That would be unfortunate as was hoping to have a "one box" solution for all disc media.
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post #5769 of 38730
3/31/09 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by narkspud View Post

Oh you DID say that, didn't you.

Switching to bitstream, like Hooked on Phonics, worked for me, but it was always to fix the audio leading the video. An audio delay is a different issue.

simple misunderreading.

But as I have a non-HDMI receiver, switching to bitstream doesn't help much. That's why i'm watching progress on the analog outs with keen interest.
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post #5770 of 38730
3/31/09 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by jeffstra View Post

My only audio connection is analog multichannel. I got Moulin Rouge to sync by adjusting A/V sync under HDMI options to 80ms with DTS and 24p turned on.

So you are saying that adjusting the A/V sync under HDMI affected the analog multichannel outs?
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post #5771 of 38730
3/31/09 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by aluminumangel View Post

but as i have a non-hdmi receiver, switching to bitstream doesn't help much. That's why i'm watching progress on the analog outs with keen interest.

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post #5772 of 38730
3/31/09 at 10:38am
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Originally Posted by Kevin McCarthy View Post

Neuromancer: When I force 4:2:2, despite setting it in EDID and cycling power, the image is tinted red.

How is your display set up? Is the display set to look for multiple color spaces, or is it set to a specific color space?

Ensure that your display and the Lumagen are set to the same color space.

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The image is also inappropriately zoomed, and depending on the EDID choice...

Disable any Auto Aspect Ratio controls on the Lumagen (if possible) and see if you have the same errors.
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post #5773 of 38730
3/31/09 at 10:53am
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Originally Posted by aluminumangel View Post

So you are saying that adjusting the A/V sync under HDMI affected the analog multichannel outs?

Counter intuitive isn't it? No, it changes the video.
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post #5774 of 38730
3/31/09 at 11:15am
I can say I have had a pretty trouble free experience with my 83 thus far and likely to vote yes in the coming days.

In my down time, I wanted to 'finalize' my setup and make sure my basic picture settings was on par (by the eye, things seem to be ok). I used both the SM and AVS HD 709 disc to dial them in. The first thing that strikes me as being off and way off, is the brightness. I have an ISF calibrated DLP and all my settings are set to default (calibrated). I don't recall having do any major adjustments with my previous player, but I believe I looked at that prior to getting my AVR (Yamaha RX-V663). I am wondering if the AVR is the problem? I do believe that it originally didn't support BTB and WTW, but was fixed in a later firmware, but I am not even sure that is the issue anyway. I don't recall reading any posts in regards to calibration issues with this receiver. Can someone suggest something?

On a side note, when I noticed that in order to see the flashing bars, I had to crank my brightness 10+ above what it was at and I also didn't see the far left bars on the SM disk. I adjust the brightness +1 on the player and at that point I saw all the bars, but still the brightness seems too far off ( I would suspect a couple clicks one way or the other at most). I was getting off readings with contrast and color as well. Although, I didn't concentrate much with them, since I was fixated on brightness.

Thanks.
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post #5775 of 38730
3/31/09 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by yarrumc View Post

I can say I have had a pretty trouble free experience with my 83 thus far and likely to vote yes in the coming days.

In my down time, I wanted to 'finalize' my setup and make sure my basic picture settings was on par (by the eye, things seem to be ok). I used both the SM and AVS HD 709 disc to dial them in. The first thing that strikes me as being off and way off, is the brightness. I have an ISF calibrated DLP and all my settings are set to default (calibrated). I don't recall having do any major adjustments with my previous player, but I believe I looked at that prior to getting my AVR (Yamaha RX-V663). I am wondering if the AVR is the problem? I do believe that it originally didn't support BTB and WTW, but was fixed in a later firmware, but I am not even sure that is the issue anyway. I don't recall reading any posts in regards to calibration issues with this receiver. Can someone suggest something?

On a side note, when I noticed that in order to see the flashing bars, I had to crank my brightness 10+ above what it was at and I also didn't see the far left bars on the SM disk. I adjust the brightness +1 on the player and at that point I saw all the bars, but still the brightness seems too far off ( I would suspect a couple clicks one way or the other at most). I was getting off readings with contrast and color as well. Although, I didn't concentrate much with them, since I was fixated on brightness.

Thanks.

The Yamaha V663 clips BTB and WTW, so if you send full range video it will be clipped. Try setting the Oppo to "auto" for color space.
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post #5776 of 38730
3/31/09 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

The Yamaha V663 clips BTB and WTW, so if you send full range video it will be clipped. Try setting the Oppo to "auto" for color space.

I was just reading up on this more. Thanks, I will try that. As of now, I have been forcing 4:2:2, at least during calibration.
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post #5777 of 38730
3/31/09 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by Kevin McCarthy View Post

Neuromancer: When I force 4:2:2, despite setting it in EDID and cycling power, the image is tinted red. The image is also inappropriately zoomed, and depending on the EDID choice, I can get two or three vertical bars of lighter than black. I think I need Oppo and Lumagen to work this out, but appreciate your input.

Kevin

Imaging that is tinted Shocking Pink is a sign that one device is sending YCbCr when the other device is expecting RGB. If you get it wrong the other way then the imaging is tinted Ghastly Green.

The HDMI handshake is supposed to keep such mismatches from happening, but if you force each end to a specific setting you can get this error. You can also get this error with the automatic handshake if one or both devices aren't handling the handshake properly. Typically this happens with older DVI displays and projectors that want RGB input but fail to communicate that properly. It can also happen right after you power things up if the handshake starts before one (or both) devices really have their act together. This is why sometimes changing the order in which you turn things on will fix such problems.

Keep in mind that there are two places where this can fail: The connection from the Oppo to your Lumagen and the connection from the Lumagen to your display. So try the combos of data format settings (YCbCr 4:2:2, 4:4:4, and the two RGB choices) to see if explicit settings, rather than auto, get you were you need to be.

Also, I suggest you turn off 1080p/24 output from the Oppo until you get the basics working.

480p (not 480i) is the simplest resolution for HDMI setup. Try that first. Then try 1080i. The 1080p settings are the hardest for HDMI to get right.
--Bob
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post #5778 of 38730
3/31/09 at 12:02pm
Well, to be sort of on topic, I've been following this thread with great fascination. Hoping for a unit that has truly stellar analog outs and flexible bass management. But in the meantime, not dissatisfied with my current setup.

But the thing I just had to get off my chest is that Moulin Rouge has for a few years been my eldest daughter's go-to "I feel bad" movie (although it alternates with Rent). So I see it, or at least have it in the background, seems like every few weeks when a competition/boy thing/etc. doesn't turn out like she hoped.

I had no idea the movie had such penetration elsewhere.

No technical problems with it at my house.
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post #5779 of 38730
3/31/09 at 12:09pm
OT posts removed. Please be courteous relative to your post topics. It's not fair to those looking for tech. discussion on this player to wade through a discussion of movies.
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post #5780 of 38730
3/31/09 at 1:04pm
Bob & Neuro: Thanks! Oppo got back with similar suggestions. I will try them tonight.

Kevin
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post #5781 of 38730
3/31/09 at 1:04pm
FWIW: I've had my Oppo integrated into my system for a week now and I have not had any serious problems. I haven't done what to me seem like the torture tests that some of you have done by throwing a ton of SACDs, BDs, SD DVDs, DVD-As at this unit. I have, however, played a few of each of those types of discs on the unit without any problems.

The only issue I had was that the MC analog outs were very low volume when hooked up to my processor but that can be fixed by either adjusting the trims within the Oppo or adjusting what Meridian calls the "sensitivity" of the Meridian's MC analog inputs. That doesn't seem like a problem at all for Oppo. It's just a matter of tuning up the interaction between equipment from two different manufacturers.

I would vote yes now but the only thing I would like to do is use the HDMI audio which I can't do until I get the Meridian HD621 processor that will allow me to hook the Oppo to my Meridian G68 via digital. I'm hoping to get that any day but, who knows?

I don't know how long we have until we are supposed to vote but if I were forced to vote today I would vote "yes" without hesitation.
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post #5782 of 38730
3/31/09 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by Jack D View Post

FWIW: I've had my Oppo integrated into my system for a week now and I have not had any serious problems. I haven't done what to me seem like the torture tests that some of you have done by throwing a ton of SACDs, BDs, SD DVDs, DVD-As at this unit. I have, however, played a few of each of those types of discs on the unit without any problems.

The only issue I had was that the MC analog outs were very low volume when hooked up to my processor but that can be fixed by either adjusting the trims within the Oppo or adjusting what Meridian calls the "sensitivity" of the Meridian's MC analog inputs. That doesn't seem like a problem at all for Oppo. It's just a matter of tuning up the interaction between equipment from two different manufacturers.

I would vote yes now but the only thing I would like to do is use the HDMI audio which I can't do until I get the Meridian HD621 processor that will allow me to hook the Oppo to my Meridian G68 via digital. I'm hoping to get that any day but, who knows?

I don't know how long we have until we are supposed to vote but if I were forced to vote today I would vote "yes" without hesitation.

The previous EAP 50 task was to make a judgment after a one week trial whether to expand the program to 300 more. With this EAP 300 process, all are voting against whether this BD player is ready for release to the general public. I would imagine that after a week's time you could make a accurate judgment call.
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post #5783 of 38730
3/31/09 at 1:36pm
According to page 55 of the user menual, the decoded analog multi channel outputs from the BDP83 is not decoding from the LOSSLESS Bitreams of DOLBY DIGITAL PLUS, DOLBY TrueHD, DTS=HD High Resolution and DTS-HD Master Audio. The decodings are from basic DOLBY DITAL and DTS.
If we need true LOSSLESS Surround sounds of Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD High Resolution and DTS-HD Master Audio.....we shall use HDMI Output. It is disappointing if YES, because bitstream from Coaxial/Optical Output to basic AV processor or receiver without 5.1 or 7.1 analog outs can perform the same decodings.

Can anyone confirm this is right or wrong? I will send the same question to OPPO as well.
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post #5784 of 38730
3/31/09 at 1:39pm
BDP-83 300 member here and I just wanted to report that this is the first blu-ray player I have used that resumed a movie from the point that I left off after I had ejected the disc and played other discs before reinserting the original BD.
I didn't even have to hit play. The movie just resumed from the same exact moment that I hit stop and eject a few days earlier.
I have owned 4 or 5 Blu-ray players and have played hundreds of discs and this is the first time I have ever encountered this.
Kudos Oppo!
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post #5785 of 38730
3/31/09 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by kwok lau View Post

According to page 55 of the user menual, the decoded analog multi channel outputs from the BDP83 is not decoding from the LOSSLESS Bitreams of DOLBY DIGITAL PLUS, DOLBY TrueHD, DTS=HD High Resolution and DTS-HD Master Audio. The decodings are from basic DOLBY DITAL and DTS.
If we need true LOSSLESS Surround sounds of Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD High Resolution and DTS-HD Master Audio.....we shall use HDMI Output. It is disappointing if YES, because bitstream from Coaxial/Optical Output to basic AV processor or receiver without 5.1 or 7.1 analog outs can perform the same decodings.

Can anyone confirm this is right or wrong? I will send the same question to OPPO as well.

Are you reading the old printed manual? The online manual states quite clearly that the analog outs are decoded from the advanced audio codecs.

Can you do a quote or scan of the paragraph or table you are quoting? Or if you are using the on-line version, a text-quote or screen cap?

shinksma
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post #5786 of 38730
3/31/09 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by Maestro J View Post

BDP-83 300 member here and I just wanted to report that this is the first blu-ray player I have used that resumed a movie from the point that I left off after I had ejected the disc and played other discs before reinserting the original BD.
I didn't even have to hit play. The movie just resumed from the same exact moment that I hit stop and eject a few days earlier.
I have owned 4 or 5 Blu-ray players and have played hundreds of discs and this is the first time I have ever encountered this.
Kudos Oppo!

Note that this won't work on Blu-ray discs with BD-Java. See the FAQ: Does the player resume at the last position when a disc is reloaded?

-Bill
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post #5787 of 38730
3/31/09 at 1:51pm
Resend message with amendment :-
According to page 55 of the user menual, the decoded analog multi channel outputs from the BDP83 is not decoding from the LOSSLESS Bitreams of DOLBY DIGITAL PLUS, DOLBY TrueHD, DTS=HD High Resolution and DTS-HD Master Audio. The decodings are from basic DOLBY DITAL and DTS.
If we need true LOSSLESS Surround sounds of Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD High Resolution and DTS-HD Master Audio.....we shall use HDMI Output. It is disappointing if YES, because bitstream from Coaxial/Optical Output to basic AV processor or receiver without 5.1 or 7.1 analog inputs can perform the same decodings and pass 5.1 or 7.1 analog sounds from its outputs.

I had posted the same question to AVSFORUM.COM. Please advise if above statement is true? Thanks.

Kwok Lau
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Shinksma, I am referring to the manual that come with the BDP-83. page 55 - AUDIO SIGNAL REFERENCE CHART. Please take a look if you have the menual. Tks.
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post #5788 of 38730
3/31/09 at 1:53pm
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Originally Posted by kwok lau View Post

According to page 55 of the user menual, the decoded analog multi channel outputs from the BDP83 is not decoding from the LOSSLESS Bitreams of DOLBY DIGITAL PLUS, DOLBY TrueHD, DTS=HD High Resolution and DTS-HD Master Audio. The decodings are from basic DOLBY DITAL and DTS.
If we need true LOSSLESS Surround sounds of Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD High Resolution and DTS-HD Master Audio.....we shall use HDMI Output. It is disappointing if YES, because bitstream from Coaxial/Optical Output to basic AV processor or receiver without 5.1 or 7.1 analog outs can perform the same decodings.

Can anyone confirm this is right or wrong? I will send the same question to OPPO as well.

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Originally Posted by shinksma View Post

Are you reading the old printed manual? The online manual states quite clearly that the analog outs are decoded from the advanced audio codecs.

Can you do a quote or scan of the paragraph or table you are quoting? Or if you are using the on-line version, a text-quote or screen cap?

shinksma

Ya, I have no idea where that info is coming from.
I just checked pg55 of the manual linked in the first post of this thread, and is says nothing like that.

Shinksma is correct. When useing the multi channel analog ouputs, higher resolution audio can be passed through to the AVR in analog form. This will result in hearing the newer hi res audio soundtracks in all their glory.
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post #5789 of 38730
3/31/09 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by kwok lau View Post

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Shinksma, I am referring to the manual that come with the BDP-83. page 55 - AUDIO SIGNAL REFERENCE CHART. Please take a look if you have the menual. Tks.

See if the same text is in the online manual.. If so, please cut and paste it here for us.

-Bill
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post #5790 of 38730
3/31/09 at 2:09pm
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Originally Posted by kwok lau View Post

Shinksma, I am referring to the manual that come with the BDP-83. page 55 - AUDIO SIGNAL REFERENCE CHART. Please take a look if you have the menual. Tks.

Kwok Lau, the Printed manual is not as current as the PDF manual available on line.

Put the paper back in the box and check this...

http://www.oppodigital.com/Download/...ish_Manual.pdf
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