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post #6241 of 39282
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Originally Posted by bobloblaw View Post

I suggest checking out the first page of this thread. There is a lengthy list of EAPers and the components in their setups. You may find that someone is already using the pre/pro you are looking to purchase. Could help to get some feedback on using the 83 with the unit(s) that interest you.

Yes Bob - there is at least one 885 used by an EAP 50 and several of the Integra equivilents. I pay particular attention to their posts. So far it looks positive and that is part of the reason I am leaning towards the 885 (that and the prices have gotten pretty good since it was replaced by the 886).

I have a number of SACDs, so I'm glad to hear that that is working pretty well. I also have a few DVD-As so that would be nice to have. Would I purchase the 83 w/o DVD-A - absolutely. I'm basically looking to replace my 1st gen LG BD player and my Pio universal with the 83. The LG does both BD and HD-DVD, but the HD-DVD is crippled (no menu support) and it struggles with some BD movies. For the record, it takes 2:38 from power off to tray open - 11 seconds sounds pretty good.

I don't think they will ever get it to meet everybody's expectations, but sounds like they are on the right path. I'm not worried about the votes becaues even if they reached the supermajority, but were working on known issues - I don't think they would release it until they had it fixed.

Cheers,
post #6242 of 39282
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Barry18025 View Post

Do you know how long they've been working on it?

How about last week, when the Early Adoption Program participants started to talk about it?

It is the same as DTS CD media not working properly: OPPO did not know there was an issue until people discovered it.
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Thanks. You can see they've been working on HDCD problems since at least July 2008

Issues related to the DV-980H are not necessarily issues of other OPPO products. And "working on" and "knowing of" issues are completely separate tracks. There are many things which have been reported to OPPO, and many things which have not been resolved.

OPPO takes all compatibility issues seriously, but depending on resources (access to physical media/receivers/programmers/time) may preclude them from fixing issues in a timely manner.
post #6243 of 39282
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Originally Posted by jeffstra View Post

Just tried viewing Moulin Rouge in DTS with the sync settings that the other night for at least scene seemed to bring it in. While I could get somewhat close starting from the beginning of the movie I could not get it to sync. It is still noticeable and worse than I ever saw on any other player. When turning off 24p it got closer but still noticeable and again worse than I've ever seen. My vote remains unchanged.

MORE confirmation, if you still need it... and for the benefit of others... Moulin Rouge, and a number of other discs, have known A/V sync problems encoded into the disc. The player cannot be blamed for a poor studio job.

Gary
post #6244 of 39282
A quick question for those with Baraka BD and freezing problems (and those who have ones that work as well).

I was just in Best Buy to pick up a copy and there were two different packages, one in a cardboard box and one in a plastic BD case. All of the labeling, codes, etc. were identical. Sales could not tell me if one was newer than the other.

I know there is an issue and the manufacturer will send you a working copy if you have one of the defective ones.

For those who have Baraka.... if yours is working or freezing - which package did your disk come in. I'm looking to see if there is a pattern to the packaging.

Thanks!
post #6245 of 39282
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Originally Posted by stpaulboy View Post

Yes Bob - there is at least one 885 used by an EAP 50 and several of the Integra equivilents. I pay particular attention to their posts. So far it looks positive and that is part of the reason I am leaning towards the 885 (that and the prices have gotten pretty good since it was replaced by the 886).

I have a number of SACDs, so I'm glad to hear that that is working pretty well. I also have a few DVD-As so that would be nice to have. Would I purchase the 83 w/o DVD-A - absolutely. I'm basically looking to replace my 1st gen LG BD player and my Pio universal with the 83. The LG does both BD and HD-DVD, but the HD-DVD is crippled (no menu support) and it struggles with some BD movies. For the record, it takes 2:38 from power off to tray open - 11 seconds sounds pretty good.

I don't think they will ever get it to meet everybody's expectations, but sounds like they are on the right path. I'm not worried about the votes becaues even if they reached the supermajority, but were working on known issues - I don't think they would release it until they had it fixed.

Cheers,

The link below is from Gary's review of the BDP-83. He owns an Onkyo
885 and loves the combo.

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I had nothing but perfect audio distribution to my Onkyo PR-SC885P pre-amp.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...ml#post3519331

I own the Onkyo 885 as well and the integration of the OPPO into
my system has been seamless and very well worth it.
post #6246 of 39282
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by styx1 View Post

For those who have Baraka.... if yours is working or freezing - which package did your disk come in. I'm looking to see if there is a pattern to the packaging.

Mine plays fine and is the cardboard packagin.
post #6247 of 39282
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Mine plays fine and is the cardboard packagin.


Thanks!

Just found something on another forum that said it was the cardboard packing that allowed the disk to "warp" and was the cause of the problem..... obviously not true.

I'll just flip a coin and pick one up tonight.... I want to see how my AVR handles the 96/24.

BTW: OPPO has the disks that I sent them (that were vibrating) and are testing them. I'll let you know the outcome. I calibrated my Sammy LCD last night (it was way too bright) and appreciate the PQ of the 83 even more. Also spent time with LPCM and Bitstream over HDMI into my older Yamaha RX2700 with interesting results. Even though it is officially HDMI 1.2 I had to turn off CES on the 83 and the display as they were talking to each other and locking up. That is all working well now.
post #6248 of 39282
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sillysam View Post

That's it? Just the dislike. No reasons? No examples? No suggestions?

He did give reasons for not liking the display:
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Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

Well, for starters, I don't like the fact that it's too bright and when you dim it down, it's too dim. Also, it's italic like characters and the color are not pleasing to my eyes.
I know, I'm nitpicking.
post #6249 of 39282
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

He did give reasons for not liking the display:

I saw that in a follow up post he made. Until he explained, I thought he was talking about the OSD.
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Not taking account of playing video games, does the Oppo BD player best the PS3 as a BD player?
post #6251 of 39282
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Originally Posted by FCEEVIPER View Post

Not taking account of playing video games, does the Oppo BD player best the PS3 as a BD player?

Yes, SD DVD, DVDA when fully implemented
post #6252 of 39282
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Originally Posted by James W. Johnson View Post

The resolution button is for changing the resolution output.

Mine is set to auto.


As far as the test SD discs go , its gonna be hard. So far the Oppo and 51FD both perform very good, the only easy to see difference between these 2 players is the speed.

James,

I look forward to hearing your comparison.

Willie
post #6253 of 39282
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Yes, SD DVD, DVDA when fully implemented

Sorry I'm not that tech savvy, what does that all mean?
post #6254 of 39282
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Originally Posted by styx1 View Post

A quick question for those with Baraka BD and freezing problems (and those who have ones that work as well).

I was just in Best Buy to pick up a copy and there were two different packages, one in a cardboard box and one in a plastic BD case. All of the labeling, codes, etc. were identical. Sales could not tell me if one was newer than the other.

I know there is an issue and the manufacturer will send you a working copy if you have one of the defective ones.

For those who have Baraka.... if yours is working or freezing - which package did your disk come in. I'm looking to see if there is a pattern to the packaging.

Thanks!

Go for the plastic case. The theory is that the paper "case" is what causes the problem. Mine came in paper and skips in playback.

There are other reasons for going plastic too - the paper is crummy and offers lousy long term protection for the disk. Removing the disk from the paper case without rubbing the shiney side on the paper is impossible.
post #6255 of 39282
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Originally Posted by Audiodork View Post

Hello,
Who would have thought Moulin Freaking Rouge would be the cause for some to vote against the full rollout of the player. What's next Mamma Mia?

Just seems to vote against release due to a song/dance DVD is wrong. Given how many people signed up and were denied, it seems like people wanting to keep the exclusivity of their toy to themselves. With the 1000's of DVD's out there, playback issues will arise. Given the Beta testers and the first 50 believe it to be ready, the time has come.
AD

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post16183565
post #6256 of 39282
Hello,
That was in no way written out of anger. Just a bit befuddled that this movie, not even a BD, has created so much discussion. Sorry if in anyway this sounded angry.
Cheers,
AD
post #6257 of 39282
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Originally Posted by yellowcanary73 View Post

Who cares. Oh sorry personal problem

DUH! It is a Certified Fresh Tomato! http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1107863-moulin_rouge/
I'm probably going to watch it someday.

Whoops, OT. What I meant to say was:

I noticed an issue when playing a music slideshow last night. I copied 5 mp3 music files to the USB stick to test. Each time it went to a new track, the first second or so was lost. I verified the files were good by playing them on the computer from the USB stick. Is this a known issue? The Star Wars throne room song just isn't the same without the first note.
post #6258 of 39282
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Originally Posted by FCEEVIPER View Post

Not taking account of playing video games, does the Oppo BD player best the PS3 as a BD player?

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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Yes, SD DVD, DVDA when fully implemented

The question was whether the OPPO is better than the PS3 as a BD player.

I think the answer to that question depends on whether you're limiting scope to only where the 2 overlap in features for BD playback or if you're taking everything into account. For example, the PS3 doesn't have IR remote control, which makes the user interface inferior to the OPPO. The PS3 doesn't have bitstream capabilities for hires HDMI audio, making it less flexible than the OPPO. The PS3 probably does an inferior job converting 1080i BD content to 1080p. The PS3 doesn't have multichannel analog audio outputs for those who need them. Where the feature sets overlap, my opinion is that they're pretty much equal.
post #6259 of 39282
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Yes, SD DVD, DVDA when fully implemented

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Originally Posted by FCEEVIPER View Post

Sorry I'm not that tech savvy, what does that all mean?

SD DVD = Standard Definition DVD

DVDA = DVD Audio


From Wikipedia:
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DVD, also known as "Digital Versatile Disc" or "Digital Video Disc," is an optical disc storage media format. Its main uses are video and data storage
post #6260 of 39282
So... to divert from the MR rants for a moment.

I was able to test some DVD-A material today, thanks to Jim Hef, who kindly lent this EAP-er a few things from his collection. Much appreciated Jim!!! This is my first foray with DVD-A, so I have history to compare with. BDP-83 connected to Denon 2807 via HDMI, sending PCM. SM-350-'s FR/FL, SM1000's SR/SL, PC1000 C and PS1000 SW.

Dark Side of the Moon in 4.1:
Operation was flawless - all tracks & features were without incident. I was very pleased with the mix and the presentation. Given that the original masters of this recording were tape, this rendition is sonically excellent. If you listen real close, in a few of the quiet passages, you can hear "tape hiss". Thanks to Jim for mentioning that to me If you didn't know, you may not pick it up. I won't tell you where, in case you want to search for it yourself. Compared to my SACD of this album, the DVD-A competes well. Of course, the SACD wins. But, it is very, very close. Compared to the SACD, the DVD-A has a smaller soundstage, that I do not equate to it being cut in 4.1. The higher registers are noticeably thinner and a tad shrill. Without SACD to hold up to it, the DVD-A of this work would be excellent in itself.

One down...

The Beatles, "Love":
Again operationally perfect. A wonderful sounding work. Artist & engineering edits leave a lot to be desired, however. This does not spoil an otherwise fine DVD-A experience. In fact, this disc is a good example of why you want all 5 of your speakers to be matched in timbre - if not identical!!! Mine are not and that shows through clearly. (perhaps 5 Mythos ST's would be overkill, but one can ponder). That aside, the -83 did a great job of reproducing the music with, to my ears, sonic accuracy. The mix, by design, was open airy and the -83 conveyed that well. Very nice!!

OK, to spare redundancy... the following DVD-A were also played and only "A Night at the Opera" by Queen, had difficulties. And, these difficulties were horrendous. Jumping between tracks using |>> and <<| would cause the next track to start at some point well after the beginning of the song. There was no rhyme or reason, different attempts would often yield different start times - none of which was the beginning of the song. Oddly, starting at track 1 and playing to completion was flawless.

The following played fine. And, other than artist engineering nits, I have no real issues with any of them.

"When I look in your eyes"', Diana Krell
"Brain Salad Surgery", ELP
Winelight", Grover Washington Jr.
"everything must go", Steely Dan

Based on my (extremely) limited tests - it seems like DVD-A has a little bit more refinement needed. Yawn... no worries about this. I'm confident that a FW release or two will take care of these types of issues.

Considering that Oppo clearly states that DVD-A, at this time is a "Proof of Concept" - suffice to say, COCEPT PROVED. The -83 does an outstanding job of presenting this material.

YMMV
post #6261 of 39282
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

So what's the deal with Moulin Rouge?

Have you ever considered that the fact it has lip-synch issues might be intentional?
post #6262 of 39282
F it, I changed my vote to appease the whiners.

I hope the whiners all receive players that don't work on half of their media.
post #6263 of 39282
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Originally Posted by FCEEVIPER View Post

Not taking account of playing video games, does the Oppo BD player best the PS3 as a BD player?

As a BD player, no they are the same (IMHO). As a DVD, SACD, DVD-A, Redbook CD player, the OPPO is by far the champion. The PS3 is still an outstanding multi-media server but not an excellent top performing universal player as the 83 is.
post #6264 of 39282
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Originally Posted by diverdra View Post

As a BD player, no they are the same (IMHO). As a DVD, SACD, DVD-A, Redbook CD player, the OPPO is by far the champion. The PS3 is still an outstanding multi-media server but not an excellent top performing universal player as the 83 is.

+1

I am retiring my PS-3, now that the -83 is in my rack.
post #6265 of 39282
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Originally Posted by [B View Post

FCEEVIPER][/b]
Not taking account of playing video games, does the Oppo BD player best the PS3 as a BD player?

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Originally Posted by diverdra View Post

As a BD player, no they are the same (IMHO). As a DVD, SACD, DVD-A, Redbook CD player, the OPPO is by far the champion. The PS3 is still an outstanding multi-media server but not an excellent top performing universal player as the 83 is.

-v- BDP-83 -v-
Awesome backlit oem remote
Source Direct resolution mode
Auto resolution mode
Bitstreaming of advanced audio codecs
User selectable 30 and 36 bit Deep Color options
Advanced user selectable picture setting including advanced sharpness and detail controls
User selectable CUE control
User selectable Color Space settings
User selectable Deinterlacing mode
Demo mode
Lightning fast firmware upgrades
(ect...
ect...
ect...
fingers getting tired now)

When we take gaming out of the equation (and I know not everyone agrees, but in my opinion), the BDP-83 walks all over the PS3. There's way more to it than just PQ when it comes to Blu-ray playback.
post #6266 of 39282
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Originally Posted by John Schneider View Post

Well, to me at any rate, if you put the logo on the product or box, that means it should play it correctly. If the logo is not there, it is a bonus or unofficially supported feature.

I bought the Sammy Duo 5000 on the promise that all hi res BR audio would be supported and the logos were on the box, and never supported (DTS MA).

Left a very bitter taste in my mouth.

I think it's important distinction, Just my two cents.

Hey John,

There is a lot of logos on my Samsung BD-UP5000's box, but there is no logo of: DTS-HD Master Audio. The closest one to that is: DTS Digital Surround.

Just my 0.02 pennies.

LOTR
post #6267 of 39282
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Originally Posted by barryecohen View Post

F it, I changed my vote to appease the whiners.

I hope the whiners have all receive players that don't work on half of their media.

Your vote should be honest, this is not a forced release and others should respect that. The good of the EAP process is that a wealth of working knowledge is coming from all the participants.
post #6268 of 39282
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

-v- BDP-83 -v-
Awesome backlit oem remote
Source Direct resolution mode
Auto resolution mode
Bitstreaming of advanced audio codecs
User selectable 30 and 36 bit Deep Color options
Advanced user selectable picture setting including advanced sharpness and detail controls
User selectable CUE control
User selectable Color Space settings
User selectable Deinterlacing mode
Demo mode
Lightning fast firmware upgrades
(ect...
ect...
ect...
fingers getting tired now)

When we take gaming out of the equation (and I know not everyone agrees, but in my opinion), the BDP-83 walks all over the PS3. There's way more to it than just PQ when it comes to Blu-ray playback.

Agree ... but it depends on the rest of your A/V system whether all those well engineered Oppo capabilities matter (e.g., with the Harmony One I won't use the excellent Oppo remote, the USB doggle on the PS3 works great with the Harmony One; with BD, I won't be altering any sharpness or detail (the original question was re: BD), TrueHD & DTS-MA decoded in the PS3 or 83 and then LPCMed to my 3808 sound no different than bitstreaming (debatable with hundreds of posts on AVS & blu-ray.com, etc.). Besides gaming, the PS3 will remain in my rack for access to media servers elsewhere in my home network. After 2 years of firmware upgrades on the PS3, Oppo has a ways to go to match the additional function and fixes Sony has provided on the PS3 (and yes, I know, if the PS3 was perfect at launch like the 83 will be, they would not have needed all those firmware releases but we had a HD format war to win at the time). There is a reason the PS3 has been a reference BD player for many testing facilities for some time (until now).
post #6269 of 39282
Nicole Kidman + nip slip = Moulin Rouge :twothumbsup:





Apologies for continuing the OT but it was obvious that several posters have missed the #1 redeeming feature of MR
post #6270 of 39282
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Originally Posted by barryecohen View Post

F it, I changed my vote to appease the whiners.

I hope the whiners have all receive players that don't work on half of their media.

Is this Friday night getting mellow and making a quick decision that you'll regret in the morning?
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