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post #6391 of 38733
so, who's going to PM Amir to talk about HDCD?
post #6392 of 38733
How good are the dacs in the oppo ? I've heard they are at best mediocre ?

Also how long will it take for the price to drop to $300 after it's released ?

499 is a bit steep for me.
post #6393 of 38733
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Originally Posted by dandan123 View Post

How good are the dacs in the oppo ? I've heard they are at best mediocre ?

See the FAQ: What is the difference between the stereo and 7.1 outputs?


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Also how long will it take for the price to drop to $300 after it's released ?

OPPO has never lowered its prices on a given model so I would say "never".

-Bill
post #6394 of 38733
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Originally Posted by dandan123 View Post

How good are the dacs in the oppo ? I've heard they are at best mediocre ?

Also how long will it take for the price to drop to $300 after it's released ?

499 is a bit steep for me.

Please read the 1st post and FAQ.

Oppo prices never drop.

Edit, Bill beats me again.
post #6395 of 38733
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Originally Posted by sharkshark View Post

so, who's going to PM Amir to talk about HDCD?

Thanks for above reference to Amir! I searched and found a great explanation in one of his posts:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post13079040
post #6396 of 38733
Mediocre compared to a player that costs $10,000?... maybe, but for the package that you are buying in the BDP-83, they a very good.
OPPO is not known for reducing their prices. IF the player sells for $499, then that's what it'll be. They are also known for offering a lot bang for the buck with their players, so the prices that they do sell at are already bargains as far as a lot of people are concerned.
post #6397 of 38733
Bill and rdgrimes beat ME to it...
post #6398 of 38733
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

Bill and rdgrimes beat ME to it...

Your getting slow.
post #6399 of 38733
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Originally Posted by subgenius37 View Post

Question for the EAPers out there. How hot does the BDP-83 get? Is the fan very audible? In these regards how does it compare to the PS3?

Thanks!

Barely any heat at all and the fan is inaudible to me.
post #6400 of 38733
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

Another one pulled out of the dark and into the light. Isn't the VRS wonderful markn$.
I use 2 other players with Reon, and although it is very good, the VRS will best it most times.
I do use one of the Reon players in my family room (Samsung BD-UP5000), where my 2 young ones watch a lot of animated movies. I really like the way that processor makes them look. However the BDP-83 goes in the theater on the projection system where the VRS just looks superb... especially with those flesh tones and outdoor scenery... very natural looking.

I definitely agree with this assessment. I've come to really appreciate how good the sd up-conversion is. To my eyes, the oppo can get most sd-dvds to within 85-95% of the quality of bd, which is rather remarkable.
post #6401 of 38733
I own the Arcam FMJ AV8 pre-amp processor and the Arcam FMJ power amp. I have a Denon 3910 hooked up to them. I do want to buy when it comes out an Oppo 83 player. My question is, do any of the people who are testing the Oppo own the Arcam components and do they handshake with one another. I also own a Panosonic 50 inch plasma which is three years old and only has one HDMI input. I just bought the Oppo switch which has space for three HDMI sources. I really would appreciate what you can tell me about these issues. Thank you.

Jesse Joseph
post #6402 of 38733
I say release it on April 15th to the remaining people on the EAP most of these people understand this a great unit still under progress if not they probably should not be on the list.
I have always been one to jump head first in to new products and understand that most of these are not finished products but that is my choice.It sounds to me that all the components are first class just needing some tweaking on software which is fine with me I have no problem with updates.
post #6403 of 38733
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Originally Posted by GotHDTV? View Post

I can see June as a realistic release date as there appear to be alot of issues now that 300 more people got the players. If this is true, then I'm done waiting and I'm going get the DMP-BD80 (as I heard they are starting to hit the wild). I'll give them to the Mid-April release (that Neuro say was the latest release info) to fix these issues and release it or they are getting no more time for me. I admit it is better for them to release a non buggy player then rush it, but I'm not going to wait and I'm going to go elsewhere. Maybe I'll get Oppo's 2nd or 3rd gen BD player in the future (as the 980 has had a few a revisions), but I want to enjoy TrueHD and DTS-HD now without upgrading my receiver.

I am pretty much giving them until the end of April and that is it myself. Lets face it Blu Ray is a picky format and I highly doubt as much as Oppo tries the BDP-83 will be ever be perfect. They have been spending an awfully long time trying to iron out bugs and you can only change the code so much. By the time they get it perfect the studios will change the codec and they will have to update the firmware again and its likely that some old problems will reappear. No Blu Ray player is 100% thanks to the format and its not likely the BDP-83 will be perfect either.

My point is if the player is 95% done with some known bugs (that will always be there in some fashion) then just release the darn thing. From what I am reading here the majority is very happy and say "As Is" its the best player out there. If Oppo is trying to achieve 100% we will be waiting a long time. A lot longer then most will put up with. Its been to long already...Oppo release this player!!
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Question for the Oppo extended research staff. Last night I watched Pinnochio and the disk started and played fine through all the commercial fluff. However, when the movie actually started I lost sound through the monitor. It was still there through the stereo (analog outputs), but the HDMI sound just dropped. I tried several restarts and adjusted the sound settings, but couldn't get the sound. For what it's worth they included a second disk for the movie (other than the additional materials and non-bluray) which played fine.

I'm going to try the movie tonight on a different player before emailing Oppo. Anyone else noticed this problem? Perhaps a quirk of the disk.

Thanks,
John

2nd round EAP
post #6405 of 38733
Does anyone know how to vote? I can't click into my name. Do I just email oppo customer service and they'll post it?

Thanks.

David
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Originally Posted by Ready4HD View Post

Does anyone know how to vote? I can't click into my name. Do I just email oppo customer service and they'll post it?

Thanks.

David

I went here:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-83/eap.aspx

and clicked "Vote" on the far right column, on the line for my name.

Worked fine for me!!! BTW - a reluctant "Yes" vote cast from me!
post #6407 of 38733
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Originally Posted by John923 View Post

Question for the Oppo extended research staff. Last night I watched Pinnochio and the disk started and played fine through all the commercial fluff. However, when the movie actually started I lost sound through the monitor. It was still there through the stereo (analog outputs), but the HDMI sound just dropped. I tried several restarts and adjusted the sound settings, but couldn't get the sound. For what it's worth they included a second disk for the movie (other than the additional materials and non-bluray) which played fine.

I'm going to try the movie tonight on a different player before emailing Oppo. Anyone else noticed this problem? Perhaps a quirk of the disk.

Thanks,
John

2nd round EAP

Sounds a bit like you were bitstreaming an audio codec that your processor/monitor does not support.
post #6408 of 38733
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Originally Posted by rspaight View Post

Perhaps I'm being narrow-minded, but being able to adjust the volume of a digital signal sounds like a solution in search of a problem. At the very least, it should be off by default.

I agree, especially since it can cause problems such as the HDCD bug, and it is not consistent from the point of view of UI anyway (e.g. it does not function when DSD output is selected). I've never required a player that has a volume control, and about the only use that I can think of for it is to be able to connect the BDP-83 directly to separate power amplifiers. In any case, the volume control should be defeatable and Off by default, as you said.
post #6409 of 38733
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Originally Posted by Robert Cook View Post

I agree, especially since it can cause problems such as the HDCD bug, and it is not consistent from the point of view of UI anyway (e.g. it does not function when DSD output is selected). I've never required a player that has a volume control, and about the only use that I can think of for it is to be able to connect the BDP-83 directly to separate power amplifiers. In any case, the volume control should be defeatable and Off by default, as you said.

The decoder chip allows volume control of any PCM output, and only PCM output. This is not likely to change and is characteristic of all the Oppo players.
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Originally Posted by JesseRJ View Post

I own the Arcam FMJ AV8 pre-amp processor and the Arcam FMJ power amp. I have a Denon 3910 hooked up to them. I do want to buy when it comes out an Oppo 83 player. My question is, do any of the people who are testing the Oppo own the Arcam components and do they handshake with one another. I also own a Panosonic 50 inch plasma which is three years old and only has one HDMI input. I just bought the Oppo switch which has space for three HDMI sources. I really would appreciate what you can tell me about these issues. Thank you.

Jesse Joseph

I have a 9th generation Panasonic panel (came out in Oct. 2006) with a DVI input. I run the Oppo through a Radiance video processor and then out to the Panny. No problems whatsoever with handshake.

I also happen to have an AV9 and P7 but they are in a different set up. So I can't help too much there.
post #6411 of 38733
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Originally Posted by yellowcanary73 View Post

I say release it on April 15th to the remaining people on the EAP most of these people understand this a great unit still under progress if not they probably should not be on the list.
I have always been one to jump head first in to new products and understand that most of these are not finished products but that is my choice.It sounds to me that all the components are first class just needing some tweaking on software which is fine with me I have no problem with updates.

I agree, let the rest of the interested people have a chance to purchase one if still interested after reading this forum. I would still want one.
post #6412 of 38733
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Originally Posted by longhaul747 View Post

i am pretty much giving them until the end of april and that is it myself. Lets face it blu ray is a picky format and i highly doubt as much as oppo tries the bdp-83 will be ever be perfect. They have been spending an awfully long time trying to iron out bugs and you can only change the code so much. By the time they get it perfect the studios will change the codec and they will have to update the firmware again and its likely that some old problems will reappear. No blu ray player is 100% thanks to the format and its not likely the bdp-83 will be perfect either.

My point is if the player is 95% done with some known bugs (that will always be there in some fashion) then just release the darn thing. From what i am reading here the majority is very happy and say "as is" its the best player out there. If oppo is trying to achieve 100% we will be waiting a long time. A lot longer then most will put up with. Its been to long already...oppo release this player!!

+1
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Originally Posted by longhaul747 View Post

I am pretty much giving them until the end of April and that is it myself.
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My point is if the player is 95% done with some known bugs (that will always be there in some fashion) then just release the darn thing. From what I am reading here the majority is very happy and say "As Is" its the best player out there. If Oppo is trying to achieve 100% we will be waiting a long time. A lot longer then most will put up with. Its been to long already...Oppo release this player!!

I imagine that Oppo approaches this from a slightly different angle. They have limited resources and a small staff. Just releasing the player will create a heavy load, if it has too many bugs then they won't have the resources/staff to deal with the support demands. So it's not just a matter of wanting it to be the best it can be, (which they do), it's a matter of practicality. And, they don't want to be dropping the ball on support. They anticipate a certain level of support demand even if it's perfect, since many users aren't up to speed on BD technology, network connections, etc. Not to mention the inherent issues with BD-Live and JAVA that they have no control over. So unless you're volunteering to go over to Oppo and answer the phone, relax.
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

I imagine that Oppo approaches this from a slightly different angle. They have limited resources and a small staff. Just releasing the player will create a heavy load, if it has too many bugs then they won't have the resources/staff to deal with the support demands. So it's not just a matter of wanting it to be the best it can be, (which they do), it's a matter of practicality. And, they don't want to be dropping the ball on support. They anticipate a certain level of support demand even if it's perfect, since many users aren't up to speed on BD technology, network connections, etc. Not to mention the inherent issues with BD-Live and JAVA that they have no control over. So unless you're volunteering to go over to Oppo and answer the phone, relax.

I think most people that aren't up with BD won't be looking to buy this but thats just my two cents.
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Originally Posted by yellowcanary73 View Post

I think most people that aren't up with BD won't be looking to buy this but thats just my two cents.

With past OPPO players, that mentality may ring more true. However there is a lot of talk about this player both here and elsewhere. The word will get out that this player offers the best bang for your buck for features/performance/support. More than ever there will be more people buying who are not "in the know" as we are. There are plenty of people who have posted in the BDP-83 theads that have said this will be their first BR player ever. It can be an overwhelming experience, even for tech savy people, when the player incorperates SO many different features and settings. Support staff at OPPO will be working harder than ever.
Keeping that load to a minimum at lauch is important.
post #6416 of 38733
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

I imagine that Oppo approaches this from a slightly different angle. They have limited resources and a small staff. Just releasing the player will create a heavy load, if it has too many bugs then they won't have the resources/staff to deal with the support demands. So it's not just a matter of wanting it to be the best it can be, (which they do), it's a matter of practicality. And, they don't want to be dropping the ball on support. They anticipate a certain level of support demand even if it's perfect, since many users aren't up to speed on BD technology, network connections, etc. Not to mention the inherent issues with BD-Live and JAVA that they have no control over. So unless you're volunteering to go over to Oppo and answer the phone, relax.


I agree. I welcome the wait if it means I dont have to talk with support. Just look how poorly other BD players have been brought to market and how frustrated the owners are.
post #6417 of 38733
I was at the "Salon Son & Image 2009" in Montreal this weekend. It's Montreal's annual AV expo. Companies from all over the world usually come to demonstrate their gear although this year less exhibitors showed up thanks to the economic downturn.

But guess who showed up unannounced at the party? An Ontario based distributor, Audio Basics Inc., had a table at the entrance of their room where they were showing some of the Eagle Vision music BDs on a Sharp Aquos LCD fed by an OPPO DBP-83. It was connected to the sharp LCD display by means of a $520 CDN high-purity silver HDMI cable from a Dutch company (Crystal Cable).

It's the first time I see the 83 in person and the picture looked just fabulous. Unfortunately, the stereo analog outputs were connected to a SLIMStage sound-bar, similar to the Yamaha or Polk Audio offerings, in front of the display. Both, the audio inter-connects and the power cord, were made of silver by Crystal Cable. The three cables costs more that the 83.
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OPPO are you listening? I have a 971 and a 983. Love them both. I don't own a Blu-ray, and have an older receiver without HDMI.

So I've been waiting for a good player with 7.1 analog, and with your history of excellent Customer Service was thrilled that you decided to make a BR. Now I could care didly about all these other disk formats I just want a good BR player. I tried to get in the 50 EAP then hoped for the 300 but my number didn't come up.

I see the new Panasonic BD80 is now up for grabs in the low threes, it has the internal processing and analogs out and some kind of magical pixel massager video processing. They are teasing us that it might do Netflix.

I'm holding out, but I'm losing my grip! Every new movie release I keep telling myself I could be watching this in HD on my 100 inch theater.

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I played Baraka HDMI PCM no issues to report. Does this disc 3D "looking" to anyone?
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To me the new Panasonic BD80 looks like it was designed by Emerson. So, it's price tag doesn't surprise me. It may work beautifully, but I appreciate what Oppo is doing with design as well as function. It looks and does does more and it will cost more. Makes sense and hope it's popular as well.
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