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post #6451 of 38774
4/5/09 at 6:35pm
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Base on the above, why did JohnAV telling EAPers the should vote now? At this point, I think that I will get my information directly from Oppo. JohnAV stop telling members what to do.

"The reason for this is that we know the current implementation of the firmware is not viable for public release"

I want to thank the 300 EAPers for posting FW issues about the player.

Brian it might interest you to know that everyone was taking note of all the reported issues. Getting people to vote, and make comments was a good thing.

Current stats:
Total Votes: 350
Pending Votes: 276 (78.9 %)
Yes Votes: 52 (14.9 %)
No Votes: 22 (6.3%)
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post #6452 of 38774
4/5/09 at 6:39pm
Will somebody in the Beta group please break their NDA and let the cat out of the bag and tell us about the next firmware release?

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post #6453 of 38774
4/5/09 at 6:44pm
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Originally Posted by cayfordb View Post

Will somebody in the Beta group please break their NDA and let the cat out of the bag and tell us about the next firmware release?


We can't say anything more then you should like the next FW release better then the current 0320 FW.
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post #6454 of 38774
4/5/09 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by cayfordb View Post

Will somebody in the Beta group please break their NDA and let the cat out of the bag and tell us about the next firmware release?


Ok fine...
I guarantee that the EAP group will get another firmware revision before the player is released to the public.
Happy?
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post #6455 of 38774
4/5/09 at 6:48pm
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Originally Posted by cayfordb View Post

Will somebody in the Beta group please break their NDA and let the cat out of the bag and tell us about the next firmware release?


+1

At least a hint... Before Easter maybe???...
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post #6456 of 38774
4/5/09 at 7:08pm
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Originally Posted by cayfordb View Post

Will somebody in the Beta group please break their NDA and let the cat out of the bag and tell us about the next firmware release?

There is a reason why you can still give credence to the mid-April release schedule. Crystal Ball says: Soon.

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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

I guarantee that the EAP group will get another firmware revision before the player is released to the public.

Way to take a leap of faith, as the e-mail posted by OPPO had already guaranteed that.

I would expect two releases: an upcoming firmware release, then another "Release Candidate" prior to the launch of the player officially. Then, of course, "Initial Official Firmware" after that.
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post #6457 of 38774
4/5/09 at 7:11pm
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Base on the above, why did JohnAV telling EAPers the should vote now? At this point, I think that I will get my information directly from Oppo. JohnAV stop telling members what to do.

JohnAV actually encourage EPAers to speak out their findings.
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post #6458 of 38774
4/5/09 at 7:13pm
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

At this point, I think that I will get my information directly from Oppo.

You should have been pretty much doing this from the very beginning. All information you read on the forums is very filtered and often times misinterpreted.

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JohnAV stop telling members what to do.

He is encouraging people to vote. Those who have no issues with the player, or feel it is ready for release, do not need to wait for another firmware release as it is highly unlikely that new firmware will actually be a step backwards.

People who have issues should Vote No. Because the voting criteria is based off of the "current" implementation of the BDP-83. If the current implementation is not viable, then you should be voting No. As the e-mail from OPPO stated, votes and comments can be updated at any time to reflect new firmware or other interactions with the product.
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post #6459 of 38774
4/5/09 at 7:18pm
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Way to take a leap of faith, as the e-mail posted by OPPO had already guaranteed that.

What?!? When the hell did this happen? Nobody tells me nuttin!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoXfiSU_wqE
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post #6460 of 38774
4/5/09 at 7:20pm
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"We will be updating the firmware on the BDP-83 at least once before the player is officially released ..."

The more you know! *star sweep and music*
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post #6461 of 38774
4/5/09 at 7:29pm
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

"We will be updating the firmware on the BDP-83 at least once before the player is officially released ..."

The more you know! *star sweep and music*

Actually, I knew about the communication from OPPO regarding fw and EAP. I was just trying to be clever with my comments, kinda like you did with the star sweep thingy. I'd better back off though. I don't think I can top the star sweep thingy.
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post #6462 of 38774
4/5/09 at 7:40pm
Hello,

I got around to upgrading the firmware today, but am having a problem.

It downloads to 99 and then just seems to stop. I can see the arrows on the screen light up point down but that is it. Its says processing, please wait.

I am afraid I am going to brick the unit. Any ideas before I hit cancel?
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post #6463 of 38774
4/5/09 at 7:49pm
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This happened to me once. Cancel it and restart. The player has to completely offload the firmware before it upgrades, so there is no risk of damaging your player by interrupting the firmware process.
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post #6464 of 38774
4/5/09 at 8:21pm
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Originally Posted by AnthemAVM View Post

Hello,

I got around to upgrading the firmware today, but am having a problem.

It downloads to 99 and then just seems to stop. I can see the arrows on the screen light up point down but that is it. Its says processing, please wait.

I am afraid I am going to brick the unit. Any ideas before I hit cancel?

This actually brings up a good point - the vast majority of EAP users haven't gone through a firmware update yet. Obviously the first rounders have, but the 300 2nd round people haven't. It might be nice to see a mostly successful (obviously some number of people will have problems) round of firmware updates to ensure that most people won't run into problems down the road before we all start voting yes.
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post #6465 of 38774
4/5/09 at 8:22pm
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

Brian it might interest you to know that everyone was taking note of all the reported issues. Getting people to vote, and make comments was a good thing.

Current stats:
Total Votes: 350
Pending Votes: 276 (78.9 %)
Yes Votes: 52 (14.9 %)
No Votes: 22 (6.3%)

Did you read Oppo email?
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post #6466 of 38774
4/5/09 at 8:30pm
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Did you read Oppo email?

No, I talked to the source.
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post #6467 of 38774
4/5/09 at 8:30pm
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

You should have been pretty much doing this from the very beginning. All information you read on the forums is very filtered and often times misinterpreted.



He is encouraging people to vote. Those who have no issues with the player, or feel it is ready for release, do not need to wait for another firmware release as it is highly unlikely that new firmware will actually be a step backwards.

People who have issues should Vote No. Because the voting criteria is based off of the "current" implementation of the BDP-83. If the current implementation is not viable, then you should be voting No. As the e-mail from OPPO stated, votes and comments can be updated at any time to reflect new firmware or other interactions with the product.

This does not change the fact as per the email the FW is not ready for the public. Voting should have a purpose.
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post #6468 of 38774
4/5/09 at 8:31pm
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

No, I talked to the source.

Are you saying the email is incorrect? Yes or No
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post #6469 of 38774
4/5/09 at 8:36pm
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post #6470 of 38774
4/5/09 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

Some of the EAPers have discovered some glitches, and some of the glitches OPPO was already aware of. Your fw IS stable compared to what it COULD be.

Just because OPPO does not publicly release every detail of the firmware and/or player, does not mean that they are not already aware of things that may not perfect within the firmware.

There is a chain of communication for "need to know" scenarios. Information that EAPers and public do not need to know, is not revealed to them. Same goes for beta testers.

If you think you are "in the know", think again .

This is not about "in the know". I have the player. This is about those " in the know" confusing everyone else. Saying "I don't know" is still okay.
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post #6471 of 38774
4/5/09 at 8:40pm
+1
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post #6472 of 38774
4/5/09 at 8:40pm
Yes, people certainly are getting confused right about now.
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post #6473 of 38774
4/5/09 at 8:47pm
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

This does not change the fact as per the email the FW is not ready for the public. Voting should have a purpose.

Voting does have a purpose. It often comes with the voter's rationale for their vote. That information provides important data that can cover actual technical issues as well as the voter's less empirical impression. Many products live or die due to buyer's impressions.

I am astounded that so many folks are focusing so much energy on how OPPO is gathering the information they believe they need in order to provide the best BD player they can for a very reasonable price.

If the process is that important to some people, then perhaps those folks are not as interested in getting a ready for prime time OPPO BD player as they are in having this player released in accordance with their view of how a company should introduce a product.

I've always thought that those decisions were reserved for the people who are putting their company on the line every time they produce a new product.

Yes, I have one. If I didn't, I would be patient. I know that because I also know that very few things in life are important enough to warrant this much discontent. The desire to purchase a BD player is pretty far down on my list of things to get upset about.
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post #6474 of 38774
4/5/09 at 8:49pm
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

This does not change the fact as per the email the FW is not ready for the public. Voting should have a purpose.

It doesn't matter if OPPO feels that the public is not ready for the firmware or not, the voting is explicitly about how you, the end user, feels about the viability of the firmware.

Right now, if OPPO was asked to release the player with the current 16-0320 firmware, they would know that it would serve them no great purpose to do so. The people have voted with 29.7% saying "Don't do it!" And OPPO is "listening" as they have not released the player to the public.

A new firmware will be introduced, and the number of Yes and No votes may change dramatically because of that. With every Vote, OPPO can make a more accurate forecast as to when the player is ready to be sold en mass.
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post #6475 of 38774
4/5/09 at 8:50pm
If the EAPers and OPPO decide that this is not yet ready for the "general public" based on the glitches being reported, would OPPO consider expanding the EAP? I consider myself, and I'm sure many here would feel the same, not part of the "general public" when it comes to equipment like this. Just curious.
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post #6476 of 38774
4/5/09 at 8:55pm
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Probably not. You would be further compounding the issue by adding additional Early Adoption Program participants. There would be a point where the tail is wagging the dog, at which point you should just go full retail.

No point in continuing an exclusive service unless there are major issues which every single end user will find faults with.

If you look at the current votes, most of the No votes hinges on DVD-Audio (which OPPO themselves admit to as being a proof of concept), some audio sync issues (which the user may or may not have witnessed) and random compatibility issues (which will have to be addressed on a case by case basis). Increasing the pool of users will help with the "compatibility issues", but so will a general release.

DVD-Audio will be improved upon in short order, and audio sync issues can generally be resolved with calibration or turning 24p Off when playing standard definition DVDs.
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post #6477 of 38774
4/5/09 at 8:56pm
It seems to me that OPPO has gathered enough info and experience from the first 350 EAP owners to use against making the player the best it can be. As always, some slight incompatabilites will surface down the road, but I highly doubt that OPPO will offer a third wave of EAP offerings. The player needs some serious tweaking, but at the same time it's very close to being ready for the public. The next logical step to take is a new fw for the EAP350. After that we shall see.
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post #6478 of 38774
4/5/09 at 8:57pm
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

There is a reason why you can still give credence to the mid-April release schedule. Crystal Ball says: Soon.

I would expect two releases: an upcoming firmware release, then another "Release Candidate" prior to the launch of the player officially. Then, of course, "Initial Official Firmware" after that.

We know that you are in the know, but really? Possible 2-3 firmware releases within 2-3 weeks and the actual player will be released within that 2-3 weeks. That is almost too fast and unrealistic for updates. Sounds like another "cry wolf" scenerio maybe coming. Oppo please prove Neuro right and myself wrong.
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post #6479 of 38774
4/5/09 at 8:59pm
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You have not participated in the Beta Program, so you are not privy to how fast, how accurate, and how responsive OPPO has been.

Just because the public does not see any progress with the firmware, does not mean that OPPO is not diligently working away on the product and actively testing the firmware through internal and external channels.

Due to your position as a member of "the public", you will just have to trust me on this one, and know that this is not a "cry wolf" situation.
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post #6480 of 38774
4/5/09 at 9:02pm
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Originally Posted by GotHDTV? View Post

We know that you are in the know, but really? Possible 2-3 firmware releases within 2-3 weeks and the actual player will be released within that 2-3 weeks. That almost say too fast and unrealistic for updates. Sounds like another "cry wolf" scenerio maybe coming. Oppo please prove Neuro right and myself wrong.

Others right here on this thread have said that the beta testers go through about 1+ firmware revisions per week.
It IS possible, IF everything works out just right. The problem with that frame of mind, is that it almost never works out that way. That is why OPPO has not given a concrete release date.
Do you not think OPPO WANTS to release the player TODAY? Sure they do, and they will do their best to release it asap.
The beta testers and engineers will work hard to try and make that happen as well.
There is no "cry wolf", only just crying by posters.
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