Official OPPO BDP-83 Owner's Thread [technical talk only] - Page 230

Originally Posted by jbm007


"Days of Future passed" on DVD A loaded and immediately decided to play the last track ( track 8) rather then starting on the first track.

Jim

Originally Posted by Roger Mathus

Pardon me if this has been covered. Apparently there are still some audio issues not fixed in the new firmware. Example: DTS Surround CD :Vince Gill (High Lonesome Sound). It sounds like the pitch of his voice is way too high on the OPPO. When I played in a Marantz BD8002, Vince sounded normal.

Originally Posted by mark69

Hi,

2.Rob Thomas Something to Be DualDisc-Will not play, just zeros on the player display. I have to shut the player down, and then hit eject while the player is off to get it to eject.

3. Jackson Browne Running on Empty DVD Audio-I am having issues with the menu, when I select audio set-up the player freezes. If I go straight to play it will play.

4. Neil Young Hawks & Doves 2ch DVD Audio- When I play the disc the songs are played back extremely slow, doesn't even sound like music.

5. Neil Young On the Beach 2ch DVD Audio- Same issues as #4.

Originally Posted by gsr

I just ran a quick test playing the Kenny Wayne Shepherd HDCD with the HDMI output set to Bitstream and then again with it set to LPCM. In both cases, the HDCD indicater on my Denon AVP flickered and the audio stuttered. I can't figure out how to get the signal bit depth on the AVP for this digital source - I've posted a question in the AVP thread. If I'm able to find that information out, I'll post an update, but it would appear that the Oppo is not sending the expanded HDCD digital info to out the HDMI cable in either mode.

Tom,

The BDP-83 right now is always decoding HDCD. We are working with our engineers to resolve HDCD related issues through future firmware releases.

However, at this time, we have no resolution for all reported HDCD issues.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.

Originally Posted by NoiseGoth

Glad you have a system that seems to work. I think the average person isn't going to be willing to go through such a laborious process to simply listen to a CD that played just fine yesterday on a different player... I know I certainly wouldn't and I have over 4000 CDs and 250 DVDs (not including burns).

I've encountered the vibration issue on one DVD and one CD so far, out of about 15 DVDs and 4 CDs I've played in the BDP-83. I do believe that the problem can be attributed to individual discs (not necessarily individual titles), but a player should be able to compensate for such minute defects. If previous players had no problems, I think it's fair to expect the BDP-83 to perform just as well.

Originally Posted by obie_fl

You may have missed it but I got this from Oppo today.

It is very strange to me that LPCM triggers the HDCD decoder on the Denon. You would think if they really are decoding and padding to 24bits all remnants of the HDCD bits would be gone. As I said earlier LPCM works great for me but like Nathan I have no way of telling if it is really sending 24 bit words instead of 16 bit.

Originally Posted by dogone

So if your really not that into SACD or DVD-A would it be advisable "not" to download this so-called firmware "upgrade?"

Originally Posted by sakaike

First thing I noticed was at about 2:50 into the chapter. There was a "pulsing" of grainy frames at about a 1 hz rate (1 per second) for about three minutes (the beginning of the Angel Falls scenes). It appeared to occur on only certain camera shots (apparently from a helicopter), so it's possible this is source-related.

Can anyone else duplicate this, and tell me whether in their expert opinion this is a possible bug, or whether it's in the source?

I would swear that I would have picked this up on my original viewing, but I don't recall seeing this phenomenon before.

TIA.

Originally Posted by dogone

So if your really not that into SACD or DVD-A would it be advisable "not" to download this so-called firmware "upgrade?"

Originally Posted by SteveinDanville

Now that I'm a proud owner of the BDP-83, how do I pronounce Oppo? Is it "Ah-poe" or "Oh-poe"?

Originally Posted by sakaike

This is my first post in this thread, even though I'm an EAP2 participant. I uploaded the new firmware today. First BD I threw in after an exceptionally easy upgrade via USB drive, was Planet Earth, Disc 1, Fresh Water, Chapter 1 (David Attenborough narration). The Oppo picked up from the previously stopped point despite the FW upgrade (very surprising). First thing I noticed was at about 2:50 into the chapter. There was a "pulsing" of grainy frames at about a 1 hz rate (1 per second) for about three minutes (the beginning of the Angel Falls scenes). It appeared to occur on only certain camera shots (apparently from a helicopter), so it's possible this is source-related.

Can anyone else duplicate this, and tell me whether in their expert opinion this is a possible bug, or whether it's in the source?

I would swear that I would have picked this up on my original viewing, but I don't recall seeing this phenomenon before.

I am running the BDP-83 with all default settings, pass-through an Onkyo TX-SR606 AVR, then to my Pio PDP-5020FD, all HDMI. When I change any of the settings, (e.g., color-space, deinterlacing, CUE, deep color, etc.), the pulsing is still there. I have checked on a few other discs and have not been able to see this anywhere else. I want to hope that this is in the source, but would like to hear from some other members before sending this to Oppo.

TIA.

Originally Posted by mark69

Hi,

Before I include the email I just sent to Oppo I thought I would let all of know that I am a big Oppo fan. I have owned a 981, and 2 983 dvd players. I currently own a 980 and obviously the BDP-983. I am using my BDP-983 in my bedroom, I am bitstreaming to a Pioneer Elite SC-05 receiver, and HDMI from the receiver to a Pioneer Kuro 5020 TV.

The BDP-983 is replacing a Oppo 983, and a Pioneer Elite 05 blu-ray player. I have sold both of these players so that shows the confidence I have in Oppo to fix the problems I have experienced. I got the player last Saturday, and have been playing blu-rays, SACD and dvds with no problems. The picture and audio quality is excellent.

I wanted to wait for the new firmware to come out before I wrote to Oppo since I knew that DVD Audio was a work in progress. I will say that most of the discs that I had problems with now play without problems. There is still one disc that doesn't play properly which I include in my email.

Lastly I have not voted yet, because I wanted to wait until the new firmware was released. I will not vote until either a new firmware is released that fixes my problems, or until Oppo instructs us to vote. I also wanted to thank all of the people on this forum for their contributions.

Below is the email I sent to Oppo this morning:

I am part of the 2nd EAP and I have several discs that I am having problems with. I downloaded the new software last night so the discs I am writing about are being used with the new firmware. I am using HDMI out bitstream to a Pioneer Elite sc-05 receiver.I also tried LPCM and had the same issues. I also have tested all of the discs in My Onkyo 805 HDDVD player, and the problems don't exist with that player.

1. Elvis 30 #1 Hits is a 5.1 DVD Audio discs with 6 stereo tracks at the end of the disc. When I attempt to play this disc it always goes to the stereo tracks at the end of the disc. Will not recognize the 5.1 tracks.

2.Rob Thomas Something to Be DualDisc-Will not play, just zeros on the player display. I have to shut the player down, and then hit eject while the player is off to get it to eject.

3. Jackson Browne Running on Empty DVD Audio-I am having issues with the menu, when I select audio set-up the player freezes. If I go straight to play it will play.

4. Neil Young Hawks & Doves 2ch DVD Audio- When I play the disc the songs are played back extremely slow, doesn't even sound like music.

5. Neil Young On the Beach 2ch DVD Audio- Same issues as #4.

I am writing to you to send you my feedback on the player so far. No issues with SACD discs yet, no CD issues. Blu-Ray and regular DVD both play very well.

Originally Posted by Villella

"3. Jackson Browne Running on Empty DVD Audio-I am having issues with the menu, when I select audio set-up the player freezes. If I go straight to play it will play."

FYI - I just tried this same DVD-A and didn't have any problems with it, or specifically with the menus.

Originally Posted by coffee nudge

First, I don't have a BDP-83, but I thought I'd check out my BD of Planet Earth where you noticed the pulsing on my PS3. If you are referring to a very subtle pulsing sporadically occurring (for instance as the helicopter is going up the falls and over the top and the waterfall mist is half in sun and half in dark shadow creating a rainbow) I do notice a pulsing. It is very subtle, and I likely would not have noticed it unless you had mentioned it. But it is there.

How obvious is it on your BDP-83? Perhaps others can see if they also notice it.

Originally Posted by rdgrimes

Sounds like you have the Oppo set to output 1080i, or source direct. Planet Earth should be 1080/60i. If you want the player to de-interlace it you should set output to 1080p. The "auto" setting is default, and should work if your display is calling for 1080p.

Anyhow, you are describing "aliasing" that is common with interlaced material, and is more obvious the larger your screen is. Some people call it "shimmering".
The Oppo can eliminate some of it, but not all. It really depends on the source material.

Originally Posted by gsr

I just ran a quick test playing the Kenny Wayne Shepherd HDCD with the HDMI output set to Bitstream and then again with it set to LPCM. In both cases, the HDCD indicater on my Denon AVP flickered and the audio stuttered. I can't figure out how to get the signal bit depth on the AVP for this digital source - I've posted a question in the AVP thread. If I'm able to find that information out, I'll post an update, but it would appear that the Oppo is not sending the expanded HDCD digital info to out the HDMI cable in either mode.

Originally Posted by sakaike

Thanks for the reply. Planet Earth is indeed encoded at 1080/60i. In my original post, you will note that I originally saw this after the FW upgrade, and after I reset to default, per Oppo's instructions.

Once I noticed this "defect", I attempted to make it go away by varying a bunch of different settings in the Video and HDMI menus. Nothing I did could make it go away, including setting 1080p, 1080p/24, color space, deep color, etc.

Not to open another can of worms, but while making these adjustments and with color space at 4:4:4 and changing deep color from 30 bit to 36 bit, I got a terribly pixelated green screen of the video playing, almost like when you're using component cables and one of the cables is bad - but worse. I made it go away by resetting back to factory defaults and starting over again. When I did the same thing a second time, the weird screen would not come back (no problem with that).

In addition, the PDP-5020FD is set to Pure Cinema - Advance, which is supposed to output a 1080p/24 signal at 72hz, so that isn't the problem either. I'm convinced this is in the source, and don't want to take up anymore precious thread space with this observation.

This is the only "glitch" I have encountered thus far, and it apparently has nothing to do with the Oppo. I will be voting YES any day now...

Originally Posted by SierraMikeBravo

Also, I am growing a bit annoyed with the place holder aspect on the DVD/Blu-ray. I don't mind if I leave the disc in the player overnight or whatever, and come to it later and it picks up where I left off. That's great, but it is quite annoying if I take the disc out, place it back in, and it doesn't start from the beginning. Is there a way to disable this feature?

Originally Posted by SierraMikeBravo

Also, I am growing a bit annoyed with the place holder aspect on the DVD/Blu-ray. I don't mind if I leave the disc in the player overnight or whatever, and come to it later and it picks up where I left off. That's great, but it is quite annoying if I take the disc out, place it back in, and it doesn't start from the beginning. Is there a way to disable this feature?

Originally Posted by AudioBear

I find the vibration issue very curious. I have not seen it on my unit so this is a shot in the dark but here goes. Spinning little shiny plastic discs in trays is hardly a new technology. It's hard to figure what Oppo could have done wrong here--if anything. They buy their BD drives from some supplier (somebody here can tell us who makes them) so they should be more or less the same as any other. Making a tray that slides in and out is also hardly a new technology. Most optical media players just don't vibrate so much that you would report it. So what has OPPO done to make discs vibrate? Or is the fault in the discs as has been suggested? Something just doesn't add up here.

Joel,

We have been investigating issues related to CD vibrations and the BDP-83. What we have discovered is that many of the discs which are causing vibration issues have plastic rings which are smaller than industry standard. This causes an issue when the loader spindle engages the CD.

We are looking at adjusting the RPM of the servo to compensate for these discs in a future firmware release.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
2629B Terminal Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94043

Thanks for the info.....

I took it upon myself to fix my vibration issue. As I stated it seemed to be an problem with the seating of the tray. I used a small rectangular rubber foot that came with my WD TV. It was designed to be used on the side ribs if you planned on standing the unit upright.
It is only about 0.9 inch long by 0.1 inch wide and I measured it at 0.066 inches thick (I got to play with my electronic caliper). I placed the strip on the inside of the top edge of the tray directly behind the BluRay logo. It proved to be too thick as the door closed and immediately opened. Using a scalpel I trimmed it down so that there was barely enough rubber to cover the 3M tape strip underneath it. This actually took two tries - after the first it was still too thick and the tray reopened itself. The final thickness was only about 0.020 inches and the length was about 0.7 inches. I placed it in the same spot... only slightly below the top edge so that it was not visible when the door was closed. My vibration is completely gone!

You have to understand that the vibration I am talking about when it occurs is quite loud and consistently reproducable using the same disks .... easily heard as a loud noise several feet away and still quite noticeable when the entertainment center door is closed. I have tried all of the additional disks that I have found that were vibrating and am not able to reproduce any noise whatsoever. Even disks that did not vibrate prior to this but made what I considered normal spinning noises are much more quiet. I am certain that the disks I have sent you will now work fine as well.

I hope you can correct this with a firmware update.... again I am not certain that this is not a hardware issue. If you have a BDP-83 and disks that vibrate in it you may want to try this fix. If it works it may be easier to manufacture/insert a similar strip into the players to stabilize the tray and stop any vibrations without a major hardware redesign.

Joel

Originally Posted by sakaike

This is my first post in this thread, even though I'm an EAP2 participant. I uploaded the new firmware today. First BD I threw in after an exceptionally easy upgrade via USB drive, was Planet Earth, Disc 1, Fresh Water, Chapter 1 (David Attenborough narration). The Oppo picked up from the previously stopped point despite the FW upgrade (very surprising). First thing I noticed was at about 2:50 into the chapter. There was a "pulsing" of grainy frames at about a 1 hz rate (1 per second) for about three minutes (the beginning of the Angel Falls scenes). It appeared to occur on only certain camera shots (apparently from a helicopter), so it's possible this is source-related.

Can anyone else duplicate this, and tell me whether in their expert opinion this is a possible bug, or whether it's in the source?

I would swear that I would have picked this up on my original viewing, but I don't recall seeing this phenomenon before.

I am running the BDP-83 with all default settings, pass-through an Onkyo TX-SR606 AVR, then to my Pio PDP-5020FD, all HDMI. When I change any of the settings, (e.g., color-space, deinterlacing, CUE, deep color, etc.), the pulsing is still there. I have checked on a few other discs and have not been able to see this anywhere else. I want to hope that this is in the source, but would like to hear from some other members before sending this to Oppo.

TIA.