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post #7321 of 38730
4/13/09 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

I'd be willing to bet that a non trivial number of the 2nd round of EAP "participants" simply wanted to get the player early and have no interest in actually participating in the EAP process. And of course, they aren't all AVS members either. There are surely some who are waiting for one more firmware update before voting.

I am a AVS member and I have not voted and I am waiting for a new firmware update because in all honesty it is NOT ready yet for prime time release. The people who are complaining about taking so long will soon get their BD player, and start complaining about this feature or that feature not working right. All that has been established is that 150 some odd folks say they do not have issues with the player in their system, and or they simply have not used the player under enough different senarios to care. OPPO set the quota for a reason. They want their units to work on 70% of the systems out there and work properly with minimal amount of issues. The final 30% of with problems can be worked out over time by final incremental firmware updates.

OPPO knows that. So we wait for another firmware update. Hopefully that will the correct enough issues to push the voting over the 70% threshold.

The balls in their court not the EAP testers court.

JBM
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post #7322 of 38730
4/13/09 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Nothing escapes my watchful eyes. I would not worry about a post not being attended to until at least a day after you have posted.

Neuromancer is watching; everyone look busy!
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post #7323 of 38730
4/13/09 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by billatlakegeorge View Post

Sorry but at he rate the posts were coming in this am I didn't want it to get lost.

If I change down mix to just dolby d it still says 4.0. It is not really easy to run a analog center due to rack layout.

If you have Dolby processing turned on in the player, turn it off.
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4/13/09 at 2:07pm
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Nothing escapes my watchful eyes. I would not worry about a post not being attended to until at least a day after you have posted.

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Neuromancer is watching; everyone look busy!

Kinda creepy isn't it? I usually keep the curtains closed just in case.
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post #7325 of 38730
4/13/09 at 2:09pm
Neuro,

Can Oppo adjust the FW in this way..... when I turn my player with cd in it that it only play when I press play? When I put a cd in, the player starts the cd and a few seconds of the song is missed.

Brian
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post #7326 of 38730
4/13/09 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by jbm007 View Post

I am a AVS member and I have not voted and I am waiting for a new firmware update because in all honesty it is NOT ready yet for prime time release. The people who are complaining about taking so long will soon get their BD player, and start complaining about this feature or that feature not working right. All that has been established is that 150 some odd folks say they do not have issues with the player in their system, and or they simply have not used the player under enough different senarios to care. OPPO set the quota for a reason. They want their units to work on 70% of the systems out there and work properly with minimal amount of issues. The final 30% of with problems can be worked out over time by final incremental firmware updates.

OPPO knows that. So we wait for another firmware update. Hopefully that will the correct enough issues to push the voting over the 70% threshold.

The balls in their court not the EAP testers court.

JBM

That's my take as well. I'd be willing to bet [someone else's paycheck] that Yes votes will be filling up the board when several notable issues are resolved. I think most every EAPer wants to vote yes and will when they feel it's ready. I'd also be willing to bet that Oppo wouldn't release it until the next firmware release anyway so in my mind arguing about voting/non-voting/no-voting is pointless.
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post #7327 of 38730
4/13/09 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by jbm007 View Post

I am a AVS member and I have not voted and I am waiting for a new firmware update because in all honesty it is NOT ready yet for prime time release. The people who are complaining about taking so long will soon get their BD player, and start complaining about this feature or that feature not working right. All that has been established is that 150 some odd folks say they do not have issues with the player in their system, and or they simply have not used the player under enough different senarios to care. OPPO set the quota for a reason. They want their units to work on 70% of the systems out there and work properly with minimal amount of issues. The final 30% of with problems can be worked out over time by final incremental firmware updates.

OPPO knows that. So we wait for another firmware update. Hopefully that will the correct enough issues to push the voting over the 70% threshold.

The balls in their court not the EAP testers court.

JBM

But didn't they ask that EAP members vote AS IS. Not to expect/wait for another firmware update. I think they had hoped to get more responses than they have, even if they were all no. I assume the ones who haven't voted are appathetic about the EAP voting and just wanted the player.

That said, I hope they do have another update just around the corner which resolves the CD speed/vibration issues as those are the 2 I see that hold most voters to a no.

Dave
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post #7328 of 38730
4/13/09 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Neuro,

Can Oppo adjust the FW in this way..... when I turn my player with cd in it that it only play when I press play? When I put a cd in, the player starts the cd and a few seconds of the song is missed.

Brian

Why don't you suggest that directly to Oppo?
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post #7329 of 38730
4/13/09 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

The loader assembly itself may be from ASA technologies, but the servo and laser head are from Sony.

Well I guess I was partly wrong myself.

Nice of you throw in this juicy tidbit Neuro. I don't remember reading this anywhere, especially when we were discussing the parts about a month ago. Are you sure you didn't fumble your NDA?
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post #7330 of 38730
4/13/09 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Neuro,

Can Oppo adjust the FW in this way..... when I turn my player with cd in it that it only play when I press play? When I put a cd in, the player starts the cd and a few seconds of the song is missed.

Brian

Does the Auto-play setting in Setup do this? I ask without recent testing, so I'm not sure.

-Bill
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post #7331 of 38730
4/13/09 at 2:28pm
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Originally Posted by jam88 View Post

Nice of you throw in this juicy tidbit Neuro. I don't remember reading this anywhere, especially when we were discussing the parts about a month ago.

I don't think it is a secret that OPPO is using a Sony servo. There is a reason why the DV-983H switched to Sony (from Sanyo). OPPO needed some experience with a new servo in anticipation of the BDP-83.

Maybe no one has discussed this in the forums, but I know for sure OPPO has not been keeping this a secret.

The decoder, on the other hand...
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post #7332 of 38730
4/13/09 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Does the Auto-play setting in Setup do this? I ask without recent testing, so I'm not sure.

-Bill

Bill,

I will look into to this. When I added the new FW, I had to reset the player.
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post #7333 of 38730
4/13/09 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

I don't think it is a secret that OPPO is using a Sony servo.

You can pop the hood on 1/2 the players/drives/loaders out there and find a Sony OPU or servo.
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post #7334 of 38730
4/13/09 at 2:49pm
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Sony is far superior this time around when compared to the Sanyo options. Go check out the compatibility threads for Sanyo horror stories.
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post #7335 of 38730
4/13/09 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by Geof View Post

Why don't you suggest that directly to Oppo?

Some of the problems that I noticed have been reported.
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post #7336 of 38730
4/13/09 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

The decoder, on the other hand...

Yes!

Us non-beta/non-EAP peasants are patiently waiting for somebody to peel off a heatsink and spill the beans...

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post #7337 of 38730
4/13/09 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by duihlein View Post

I assume the ones who haven't voted are appathetic about the EAP voting and just wanted the player.

You assume wrong.
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post #7338 of 38730
4/13/09 at 3:02pm
Thread Starter 
Voting is to be conducted when you personally feel you have used the player long enough to make an informed decision.

Some people made this decision within a day of owning the player, some may require a month or more.
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post #7339 of 38730
4/13/09 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by bluechunks View Post

Us non-beta/non-EAP peasants are patiently waiting for somebody to peel off a heatsink and spill the beans...

Doesn't mean it is not silk screened to protect the innocent. Many manufacturers will silk screen their own names on the SoC in order to increase their brand image (ie. if you are Sony or Panasonic, you want everyone to believe that the magical juice is "Sony" or "Panasonic" engineering, and not some third party chipset which another vendor may use).
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4/13/09 at 3:06pm
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Originally Posted by bluechunks View Post

Yes!

Us non-beta/non-EAP peasants are patiently waiting for somebody to peel off a heatsink and spill the beans...


Beans! *smacks forehead*

So THAT'S the secret!


--Bob
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post #7341 of 38730
4/13/09 at 3:12pm
Thread Starter 
And here you thought it was "springs and cogs, steam and magic".
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post #7342 of 38730
4/13/09 at 3:14pm
...and string.

You can do a lot with enough steam and string.
--Bob (Goon Show fan) P.
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post #7343 of 38730
4/13/09 at 3:21pm
And I thought it was Ball Bearings...

It's All Ball Bearings...
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post #7344 of 38730
4/13/09 at 3:29pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Give Anthem tech support a call as well as calling Oppo. This may be a D2v problem. Or it may be a problem in the way the Oppo maps that unusual audio mix into the channel combos the D2v will accept. Anthem and Oppo have contacts at the engineering and tech support level so they ought to be able to sort out which it is -- perhaps after getting the disc.
--Bob

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Originally Posted by billatlakegeorge View Post

I did try rebootting both the Oppo and the Anthem. I think it has something to do with the disc putting out LPMC 3.0. I never heard of that, but on another site someone else mentioned this and it is a Woody Allen thing of not caring about the sound.

Please note that I earlier reported the same issue with the Vicky Christina Barcelona DVD (my Blockbuster was out of the BD), no dialogue from the center speaker although I could hear music in the surrounds. This was fixed when I went from PCM to Bitstreaming to my D2V. Not my preferred solution, but it was a work-around.
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post #7345 of 38730
4/13/09 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Beans! *smacks forehead*

So THAT'S the secret!


--Bob

MAGIC beans. That's why they keep calling the BDP-83 a "giant killer."

It's also why some of them rattle .....
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post #7346 of 38730
4/13/09 at 3:35pm
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Originally Posted by dweltman View Post

Please note that I earlier reported the same issue with the Vicky Christina Barcelona DVD (my Blockbuster was out of the BD), no dialogue from the center speaker although I could hear music in the surrounds. This was fixed when I went from PCM to Bitstreaming to my D2V. Not my preferred solution, but it was a work-around.

I just emailed Oppo and Anthem about this one.
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post #7347 of 38730
4/13/09 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by dweltman View Post

Please note that I earlier reported the same issue with the Vicky Christina Barcelona DVD (my Blockbuster was out of the BD), no dialogue from the center speaker although I could hear music in the surrounds. This was fixed when I went from PCM to Bitstreaming to my D2V. Not my preferred solution, but it was a work-around.

Hmm, you say bitstreaming is a workaround, but he says it doesn't help.

I wonder what the difference is for you two?
--Bob
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post #7348 of 38730
4/13/09 at 3:38pm
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And I thought it was Ball Bearings...

It's All Ball Bearings...

Nice reference.. goto love Fletch!
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post #7349 of 38730
4/13/09 at 3:45pm
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Neuro,

Can Oppo adjust the FW in this way..... when I turn my player with cd in it that it only play when I press play? When I put a cd in, the player starts the cd and a few seconds of the song is missed.

Brian

Adjust the autoplay option in the setup.
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post #7350 of 38730
4/13/09 at 4:07pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I wonder what the difference is for you two?
--Bob

DVD versus Blu-ray. The DVD is likely mastered with a 3.0 Dolby Digital track, while the Blu-ray (which claims to have a Dolby Digital track on the back of the box) only has a single 3.0 LPCM track.

If a handshake is causing the problem with the Anthem, then switching to bit stream (only available for the DVD) would resolve the issue, as now the receiver is responsible for all audio decoding.
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