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post #8131 of 38742
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Release is "several weeks". Final vote is 04/26/2009. Vote is 70% supermajority.

Wow several weeks they sure push their loyal customers to the edge.
post #8132 of 38742
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Originally Posted by Jim Hef View Post

I realize that Blu-Ray discs have the ability to output at film rates, but what is it that you like about standard DVDs doing this? After all these years of watching DVDs at 60Hz rates, what should we like about forcing a "film-like" frame rate for them??? Since I've never had a player that can do this, and still waiting for the 83 to be introduced, I'd like to know how it affects the viewing of a movie.

By and large it's marketing. Less than 10% of monitors out there, (maybe less than that), actually correctly display 24 FPS, and there may be little if any difference. Most of them just pull it down to 60 or some multiple of 60. Some people confuse a monitor's claim of "24p support" with correct display of 24p.

Needless to say, many people "see" a difference because they want to. The truth is that there is as many different ways of displaying 24p as there are monitors that support it. Some will reveal no difference, some will reveal minor differences and some will handle it very well. But they all are performing some version of a pull-down to their native refresh rate.

To answer the question for yourself, you need to look at your own monitor and find out how it really handles 24p. Good luck since many of the makers don't really want you to know.
post #8133 of 38742
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

By and large it's marketing.

YES it is great marketing creating demand
post #8134 of 38742
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Originally Posted by tomcrown1 View Post

According to OPPO release date will be May 15, 2009. Oppo will go by the finale vote on 4/28/09 . As it stands now the unit will be released as they got 80% approval from the number of votes cast.

Did you get that in an official email or something? The release date have been several weeks for a few months now. If your date is true, then it is again another 3 weeks out. Normally I moan about buying another BD player because they keep pushing the date back, but I don't have the funds to buy any player right now, so I guess it is okay this time. In 3 weeks from now, I'm sure I ask why has it been pushed out another 3 weeks. Then again the 17th is my Birthday, so hopefully Oppo can get it out on the 15th.

I'm sure it has been feature requested before, but I hope Oppo puts in support for .ts and .m2ts files. That will make the wait all the more sweet for me.
post #8135 of 38742
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Release is "several weeks". Final vote is 04/26/2009. Vote is 70% supermajority.

Is it possible that Oppo will provide another firmware
update prior to release?
post #8136 of 38742
Thread Starter 
Probably.
post #8137 of 38742
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Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

Is it possible that Oppo will provide another firmware
update prior to release?

I think so from an email that was sent to me on Tues.
post #8138 of 38742
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Probably.

I hope you are working on the offical thread.
post #8139 of 38742
I really feel I was super lucky in being selected for the first 50. Every BD and DVD I have played has been fantastic. The analogs out are incredible! I even tried a CD the other day and I couldn't believe my ears! I didn't know that my system could sound that good. I voted yes a couple weeks ago because for my HT, this player blew away the Panny BD 55 I had. I just wish I could vote again.
Please be patient because this player is worth it.
post #8140 of 38742
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Originally Posted by Jim Hef View Post

I realize that Blu-Ray discs have the ability to output at film rates, but what is it that you like about standard DVDs doing this? After all these years of watching DVDs at 60Hz rates, what should we like about forcing a "film-like" frame rate for them??? Since I've never had a player that can do this, and still waiting for the 83 to be introduced, I'd like to know how it affects the viewing of a movie.

I really can't describe the differance but I can see the differance especially on well done films LOTR, Older classics, films where directors used the grains, light and shadows for effect, etc. Some may like it some may not. I really didn't do the post to get anyones opinion or likes or dislikes - I mainly posted so people could try it if they had a receiver with audio delay to see if they like it.
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post #8142 of 38742
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

I would try Moulin Rouge again with 0417. With DD5.1 or DTS.

The problem only showed up in DTS. DD is fine. But I'm picky. Just tried it and it's the same.
post #8143 of 38742
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

By and large it's marketing. Less than 10% of monitors out there, (maybe less than that), actually correctly display 24 FPS, and there may be little if any difference. Most of them just pull it down to 60 or some multiple of 60. Some people confuse a monitor's claim of "24p support" with correct display of 24p.

Needless to say, many people "see" a difference because they want to. The truth is that there is as many different ways of displaying 24p as there are monitors that support it. Some will reveal no difference, some will reveal minor differences and some will handle it very well. But they all are performing some version of a pull-down to their native refresh rate.

To answer the question for yourself, you need to look at your own monitor and find out how it really handles 24p. Good luck since many of the makers don't really want you to know.

It's not just marketing. MPEG frames have a bit that indicates if they're the original frame from a movie, or a repeated frame stuck in there to get the 60Hz rate for TVs. That bit is there for a reason--so players can restore the original film if they want to. And depending on the player, the display, and the quality of the authoring of the DVD, the results can range from bad to excellent. When the results are good, what's on the display looks like what you saw in the theater. It's nifty.
post #8144 of 38742
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

No one has told me the date, but I suspect we are considerably closer than we were months ago. As in Real Soon Now.

-Bill


Uhhhh...by default we have to be closer to the launch then we were months ago
post #8145 of 38742
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

I have an Integra DTC-9.8 If I just select the DTS track, I will get no audio. If I change between the DTS and PCM tracks, then back to DTS on the fly while playing a track, I will acquire the DTS 96/24 signal over HDMI. However, as soon as I interrupt playback (ie. Skip Forward) I lose the signal.


All outputs are live at the same time, so you can try using digital coaxial or optical to ensure that you are not having difficulties with HDMI handshaking principles.

In the middle of a track, press the Audio button to switch to the PCM track. Press Audio again to switch back to the DTS track. Do you get audio?

QUEEN - A NIGHT AT THE OPERA (DVD-A):

After a email & response from Oppo: To get DTS 5.1, 96/24 to work the DVD-Audio priority must be set to DVD-Video. I can bitstream via digital coax cable to the Onkyo 805 & it properly decodes with DTS 96/24 on the dispaly...........hoorah!

From Oppo via email just minutes ago: "DVD-Audio is a work in progress, and we will be working diligently on new firmware releases to alleviate any current issues experienced with the BDP-83."

Although not technically advertised as an Universal Player it has been billed as such. With the 4/21 firmware I am now a happy camper!

DVD-A of Beatles LOVE plays perfectly & seamlessly.

GO OPPO!
post #8146 of 38742
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Originally Posted by sk20 View Post

It's not just marketing. MPEG frames have a bit that indicates if they're the original frame from a movie, or a repeated frame stuck in there to get the 60Hz rate for TVs. That bit is there for a reason--so players can restore the original film if they want to. And depending on the player, the display, and the quality of the authoring of the DVD, the results can range from bad to excellent. When the results are good, what's on the display looks like what you saw in the theater. It's nifty.

And with the -83 you have the player to properly handle a well authored BD/DVD for 24Hz output. In fact, my observations tell me that the -83 will make all but the poorest constructed material present well.

The weak link in the chain (assuming you have your AVR passthrough) is your display. My 141 handles 24Hz spectacularly. As said above, on some content, it is almost like it was on the"silver screen"

It's not marketing... Deep Color on the other hand

Back OT... Night at the Opera froze my player tonight. It was a power cord out fix!
post #8147 of 38742
So is anyone actually having any problems with Blu-ray discs on this awesome BLU-RAY player?
You can start holding your breath now.






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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

We're done with the HDMI cable, etc. discussion. There's a whole forum here for it. Thanks.

larry

...and with AUTHORITAH too... I LIKE it!
post #8148 of 38742
Alright, is post #8141 legit? Is May 15th the official date? I know this isn't an EAP question but nobody refuted it outright.
post #8149 of 38742
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Originally Posted by SwampDawg78 View Post

DVD-A of Beatles LOVE plays perfectly & seamlessly.

Not scraping for issues, but I also declared victory on this DVD-A disc, as many others have, after playing several tracks following the latest FW update. But then someone posted that they still had an issue at track 21 to 22 transition (I believe.) And that the last track had no sound at all, but you could get it to come in if you hit the back button and re-started the song from the beginning. Well, I checked it out on mine and darned if I didn't experience the exact same thing. Just curious if you played the entire disc. I know it's a minor issue compared to what it was, but it looks like there's still work to be done - hopefully resolved with the next FW update. (I voted yes, nonetheless.)
post #8150 of 38742
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Originally Posted by hawkfan View Post

Alright, is post #8141 legit? Is May 15th the official date? I know this isn't an EAP question but nobody refuted it outright.

It is NOT an official date.
--Bob
post #8151 of 38742
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Does it always lock up when you repeat your procedures which caused the original lockup, or was it a one time occurrence?

Yes

In the fact it happened twice only on that disc and I have not tried it a third time.

JBM
post #8152 of 38742
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Originally Posted by avsinkhole View Post

Not scraping for issues, but I also declared victory on this DVD-A disc, as many others have, after playing several tracks following the latest FW update. But then someone posted that they still had an issue at track 21 to 22 transition (I believe.) And that the last track had no sound at all, but you could get it to come in if you hit the back button and re-started the song from the beginning. Well, I checked it out on mine and darned if I didn't experience the exact same thing. Just curious if you played the entire disc. I know it's a minor issue compared to what it was, but it looks like there's still work to be done - hopefully resolved with the next FW update. (I voted yes, nonetheless.)

You may have me here; I did not pay 100% attention 100% of the time so I went back to Track 21 & started play.....did this several times. There is an abrupt end to Track 21 then Track 22 starts playing.

I will, too late tonight, put the disc in my Denon 3910 & have a listen.

I am comfortable with an email received this evening from Oppo, "DVD-Audio is a work in progress, and we will be working diligently on new firmware releases to alleviate any current issues experienced with the BDP-83."

They are aware of the issues with this disc & will fix.
post #8153 of 38742
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Originally Posted by hawkfan View Post

Alright, is post #8141 legit? Is May 15th the official date? I know this isn't an EAP question but nobody refuted it outright.

I can only guess but if the EAP 2 is any indication Oppo might be ready to ship the 1st batch as soon as the vote is satisfied. Perhaps a delay of a week or so just to load the latest firmware in all the units.

May 15th is a long ways off and I don't think Oppo needs that long for the official release. It could even be released for preorders as soon as Monday April 27th and shipping sometime within that week.

Again though this is all speculation on my part but I am sure Oppo wants to sell this unit as much as we all want it.
post #8154 of 38742
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

So is anyone actually having any problems with Blu-ray discs on this awesome BLU-RAY player?
You can start holding your breath now.


Not sure where you are going with this. Is it really necessary?
post #8155 of 38742
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Originally Posted by Jim Hef View Post

I realize that Blu-Ray discs have the ability to output at film rates, but what is it that you like about standard DVDs doing this? After all these years of watching DVDs at 60Hz rates, what should we like about forcing a "film-like" frame rate for them??? Since I've never had a player that can do this, and still waiting for the 83 to be introduced, I'd like to know how it affects the viewing of a movie.

In my opinion on SD (Standard DVD) engaging 1080p/24 and forcing 24p conversion seems to degrade the picture. I get much better upconverting without it. I should point out that I am running an older series Samsung LN-T5265F. I am not certain what the newer LCD's would look like with SD and 24. On BD I do not notice any difference one way or the other and usually leave it fully engaged.
post #8156 of 38742
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jbm007 View Post

In the fact it happened twice only on that disc and I have not tried it a third time.

I could have sworn I watched the Video option the other night without an issue. I will have to test it on Monday when I get back from a mini-vacation. I'll put it on the main post as a reminder to myself.
post #8157 of 38742
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by hawkfan View Post

Alright, is post #8141 legit? Is May 15th the official date? I know this isn't an EAP question but nobody refuted it outright.

Actually, I did refute it outright with the post right below it:
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Release is "several weeks". Final vote is 04/26/2009. Vote is 70% supermajority.

Basically, every single statement in Post 8141 was incorrect.
post #8158 of 38742
A small step in examining the firmware:
post #8159 of 38742
A small step in examining the firmware:

Backgrond picture is standard mpeg2 as in other MTK players:

Found here at adress 0x00101A360 - 0x00103A050:

Resolution 1920 x 1080:



Download original mpeg2 direct extracted from firmware: http://hej456.com/BDP-83.mpg

Discuss: http://hej456.com/forum

Hej456
post #8160 of 38742
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