Originally Posted by 1brokebrother
Chicago with Earth, Wind & Fire: Live at the Greek Theatre
someone really needs to come up with a criteria for rating these movies..
I really can't beleive "Chicago with Earth, Wind & Fire: Live at the Greek Theatre " isn't rated reference..I'm begining to think when it comes to concert BD it's all about what music you guys like rather than what BD has to offer.
At the very MINIMUM the BDs have to challenge our systems..
Some dude playing guitar and vocals only should NEVER be considered reference.
Yeah I said NEVER
lets hear some horns maybe some strings lets hear the high-hat..
How about a broad range of sounds
I'll admit I haven't listend to DAVE MATTHEWS & TIM REYNOLDS: "(and I really doubt I ever)" will but I did watch David Gilmour: Remember That Night.
Chicago&EWF if atleast a full teir above Gimore..
And for the record..Chicago&EWF worked the full range of my system.. Every speaker was pushed .. the sound was clear, vocals were excellent..I could even hear one of the alto players strike his key pads.. the HORNS WERE EXCELLENT..( I play both the sax and flute)
BD worked my Sub harder than Most the movies listed in reference ..I would say ALL of them but I haven't seen MASTER & COMMANDERMAX PAYNE
Chicago with Earth, Wind & Fire: Live at the Greek Theatre be move to reference
and more importantly someone come up with a format to rate these BD's
The audio criteria suggestion has been thrown around from time to time, but it always gets shot down (for good reason IMO) due to the fact that audio is VERY subjective and there are so many variables from one member to another (dif equipment, dif rooms, dif likes/dislikes with mix/recording, etc..., etc....) It would be EXTREMELY hard to have a criteria that was relatively reliable. BUT if you have a suggestion, throw it out there.
Maybe there are some users who would rate a certain movie/concert higher if they liked the material in question, but if there is one place where that bias would be put in check, it would be AVS IMO and I dont feel most the members who participate in this thread are biased to any significant degree as far as rating these audio tracks from my experience. Speaking for myself, NONE of the concert blu rays I have rated as reference (Dave and Tim, John Mayer, The Police, NIN) are bands that I even listen to on a regular basis and needless to say, I am certainly not a BIG fan of any of these bands, BUT all 4 of these are reference audio to my ears. On the other end of the stick is Rush a band I do love, however Rush: Snakes and Arrows in one of the least desirable concert BR's I have listened to from a recording/mix standpoint (I gave it a tier 2 rating). So I dont agree with your statement that most here are judging the tech merits of these BR concerts by how much they like the material in question.
As far as this statement of yours....."Some dude playing guitar and vocals only should NEVER be considered reference
".......I could not disagree more, and by the way its "2 dudes" playing guitar
. Since you have not even listened to this BR, you have absolutely no grounds for argument IMO. Go listen to this BR and then come back and discuss it, otherwise you just come off as ignorant trying to argue it when you have no frame of reference. I also find it interesting how closed minded you are as far as even giving this show a listen considering you are a musician yourself
I will say that I do find it more impressive to get a reference recording/mix with a full band compared to 2 guitars and vocals, BUT a reference recording/mix is just that no matter if it is one guy and a guitar or a entire orchestra or anything inbetween.
Thanks for the concert review by the way. I have put this in my que and am excited to hear it after your thoughts. I will say that I find it VERY hard to believe that any (at least the vast majority and I have not heard one yet) concert would work ones sub harder than the movies in reference (more consistently I can certainly understand, but harder???
), but I will not judge that until I hear this BR next week.