Originally Posted by thebland AND IN CONCLUSION..............
. Time to bring this thread to a close.. I found out what I wanted to find out with the polling... It has been a good thread and quite enlightening...
RE:$2K players and how to waste your money....
Yes.. You'd think there was some sort of paradigm shift in Blu Ray technology... The last disc paradigm shift was the move to 1080P24 from the early players only doing 1080P60. And before that, the transition from DVD to Blu Ray.
I see many $2K owners, particularly those with the latest players gushing over all its 'new' advancements in technology.. Fact is, many folks who buy a lot of players tend to like the newest, most expensive the best. It's a fact, no one likes to spend $2K and immediately say that a lower cost player offers similar performance.. So, you'll never get a true read on comparisons with someone fully invested in their $2K player.
Based on the fact, the upcoming Denon at $4K will be the new king.. For no reason other than its exorbitant price...
Personally, in being in this hobby buying gear of all price ranges over the last 20 years I have come to some conclusions...
1. In the world that was analog, there were greater improvements with generations as there was so much to do to clean up / improve analog.. Anyone remember the Faroudja VP301
at the 'lowered' price of $15K...? a piece that did the unheard of by taking 480i and upconverting it to 600P??!! A bargain price compared to the $25K / $30K flagship Faroudjas.. I remember buying my first Faroudja.. What an improvement for my LD player!!
2. I don't get a 'hard-on' to buy the latest piece just to have it.. I used to be like that when I thought spending more meant getting more.. Today in a 1080P24 / bitstream world, the player differences are just too marginal. It looks more like ignorance than anything else.
3. I've learned to by smarter and spend where it will make differences... WIth the glut of new BD players, if looking for audio and video improvements when running 1080P24 / bitstream / LPCM, it is just a waste of money.. Now if you want better build, fit and finish, etc... THen you do get rewarded for your $2K purchase.
4. Personally, I spend my money wisely on HT - not spending just to spend - if I were still that way, and I used to be, I'd have a Pioneer 09 in my stable by now. Cna I afford one? Of course... But, I know it is no better than anything else so why spend on it?
I'l give some examples of my smarter purchases?
1. ISCO III
anamorphic lens at $6K it is an expensive piece of glass but coming from the far cheaper Panamorph, the acrylic block is no match for precision glass. The anamorphic lens is a most important piece in any video set up. The difference is easily discernable compared to cheaper imitators.
2. Lumagen Radiance Scaler
: at $4K, it isn't out of bounds in terms of cost, but to get perfect calibrations for up to 15 sources (6 HDMI), nothing even comes close. I have 7 sources... All perfectly dialed in to my ISF calibrated projector.
3. Stewart Vistascope screen
... Yes at $25K it is more than most folks whole system. But for masking all aspect ratios in a 14' wide, microperfed screen, there is nothing better. Many folks here run plasmas, but when going to scope, you've got the same black bars a $300 LCD has - it distracts and kills perceived contrast. The 09 / 3800 cannot help this either. Better to spend those 09 dollars towards front projection.. The Vistascope also excels particularly with the new masks that are truly transparent to audio (like speaker cloth)..
*Notice, I didn't list my Denon 3800
. I have the new OPPO and at 1080P24, I can't see a difference at a fraction of the cost. Nor with lossless over HDMI.
So, why should I not spend a measly $2K on a Pioneer 09??? Simple. There has been no paradigm shift in technology - so it would be an utter waste of money. A complete waste of money compared to what is available today (and it can't decode DTS MA). The smart money is to stay away from the Denon 3800, Pioneer 09, Sony ES if 24P is your primary reason to buy for 24P improvement / or lossless improvement... Yes, there is a feeding frenzy in a couple $2K threads and it is easy to get sucked in, but the improvements are simply delusions of grandeur. Everytime I read, 'you gotta try it yourself' or 'how come it is the owners who all glow about it', I laugh... I used to be that way with new stuff. It's fun to buy and declare your newest piece the holy grail of its catagory. But with Blu Ray today, the 'improvements' @24P and digital lossless are pure nonsense. There are no new shifts in technology.
Those who know, know better.