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post #481 of 2862
3/28/09 at 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by SamuriHL View Post

That would be truly silly for them to be "double sampling" don't you think? You really think they would downsample and then resample it back? I find that to be POSSIBLE, but, highly unlikely. No, reclock shows that it was not downsampling until 126. After that it is doing so.

There's nothing ArcSoft can do about it. They're being forced to do so in order to keep their AACS license. The same goes for Cyberlink. As much as I want to hate both companies for it, we really can't blame them. I really am starting to feel that the only true solution to HD audio on the PC is to get one of these specialized cards with PAP drivers and go the bitstreaming route. At least until Slysoft releases their player. Otherwise we are at the mercy of the software decoders and any manipulations they feel are necessary. At least with bitstreaming there's little chance for them to screw with the audio.

I'm truly FRUSTRATED with the current state of HD audio on the PC.

which is useless for those wanting to use analog out

how stupid are the damn aacs idiots, like someone is gonna go bus sniffing and all taht trouble when they already have 16/48 access? does a pirate give a crap about 24bits or mroe than 48? no! and if they do they will just copy the whole damn disc. and by making people try to find ways to make audio down sampling not occur they are simply encouraging them to sniff around until they hit up anydvd and so on. Whoever set up AACS are total morons. They punish legit customers and piss them off AND increase piracy. Great job AACS morons.
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post #482 of 2862
3/28/09 at 1:46pm
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Originally Posted by wuffzack View Post

Sure, but the AACS license doesn't matter, if there is no AACS on the disc.
There is no reason to downsample (and no excuse for doing this) if AnyDVD HD is running.

true and this means that it forces that AACS PAP crap on even discs you create and author yourself
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post #483 of 2862
3/28/09 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by skibum5000 View Post

which is useless for those wanting to use analog out

how stupid are the damn aacs idiots, like someone is gonna go bus sniffing and all taht trouble when they already have 16/48 access? does a pirate give a crap about 24bits or mroe than 48? no! and if they do they will just copy the whole damn disc. and by making people try to find ways to make audio down sampling not occur they are simply encouraging them to sniff around until they hit up anydvd and so on. Whoever set up AACS are total morons. They punish legit customers and piss them off AND increase piracy. Great job AACS morons.

You won't get any argument from me. I find the whole situation to be more than ridiculous. My ATI card was more than capable of providing me unmolested audio should the software player provide it. But noooo, we're required to have PAP. So, that's what I now have. Still not a fan though. The audio sounds incredible coming off my Xonar, don't get me wrong, but, I shouldn't be forced to buy the ONE card that supports it.
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post #484 of 2862
3/28/09 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by Donnacha View Post

Fair enough, yes it did state that, which is incorrect by all accounts! I'm gonna hang-on for Slysoft's player!!!

i hope they pull it off

without all the copyprotect nonsense and downsampling and all that i'm sure they can encode it much more efficiently

the BD-Java stuff might be a pain though

thing is if AACS didnt put all the dumb restrictions on slysoft would probably never bother with this so once again AACS will backfire....
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post #485 of 2862
3/28/09 at 5:42pm
My audio is working through my HDMI but I do not have that HDMI option in PowerDVD9. I have it set to SPIDF. Any ideas why the HDMI setting is not listed?
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post #486 of 2862
3/28/09 at 6:47pm
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Originally Posted by disb View Post

So no matter what I do, I cannot get MPCM to display on my Onkyo 605.

My settings: PowerDVD 9 6 speakers, DolbyTrueHD from Transformers Blu ray.
I view settings and it is outputting LPCM, but am I supposed to see DTrueHD on my Onkyo? I set my speaker properties to Dolby 5.1 Live, so that is all it shows.

As for non-HD audio, such as DTS, I can get it to display DTS when I want to (bitstream?) it.

I am using DVI>HDMI to Onkyo. HDMI carries both audio and video.
(SPDIF from MOBO > nVidia 9500GT > DVI > HDMI > Onkyo)

Any suggestions?


You can not get Multichannel LPCM because you are not going over HDMI - you are going over SPDIF which only supports 2 channel LPCM, DD, and DTS.
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post #487 of 2862
3/28/09 at 7:05pm
I just purchased this last night and was unaware of the problems with HDMI. I bought it because I use VMC and was excited they finally have an interface which works in Media Center.

I emailed tech support today regarding the 2 channel HDMI problems and asked for a solution or a refund.

Sad sad sad - not sure how it was possible that this passed an internal beta test. They likely knew about the bug when it was released and just hoped that most people would not use HDMI for audio.
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post #488 of 2862
3/28/09 at 11:25pm
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Originally Posted by Braumin View Post

You can not get Multichannel LPCM because you are not going over HDMI - you are going over SPDIF which only supports 2 channel LPCM, DD, and DTS.

Oh? Even going SPDIF from my motherboard to my video card, then from my video card to Onkyo 605 via HDMI?

Well, how else am i supposed to get MPCM? All I want is to see it say "Multichannel" on my onkyo, or have my HTPC bitstream DolbyTrueHD or DTS-MA!
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post #489 of 2862
3/29/09 at 3:30am
I downloaded the trial version today and it looks more like a patch for 8 than a whole new version. I'll stick to 7 for now. If anyone is having that Error 1904 module failed to register, according to cyberlink you need to install msi 4.5 and the patch that fixes a bug in msi 4.5 before running the installer.
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post #490 of 2862
3/29/09 at 7:32am
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Originally Posted by disb View Post

Oh? Even going SPDIF from my motherboard to my video card, then from my video card to Onkyo 605 via HDMI?

Well, how else am i supposed to get MPCM? All I want is to see it say "Multichannel" on my onkyo, or have my HTPC bitstream DolbyTrueHD or DTS-MA!

The simplest answer is to ditch PDVD9 and go with TMT3 for multichannel and if you really want bitstreaming then you have no choice but to spring for an Asus HDAV 1.3 which is the only currently shipping product that has the Hardware PAP required to do this. Sad but true.
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post #491 of 2862
3/29/09 at 11:55am
No switching software will not matter because the SPDIF can not handle multichannel at all. You can't go from SPDIF to HDMI because the 9500GT is only mixing the SPDIF into the HDMI stream. In order to get multichannel you have to get a video card (or sound card) that supports HDMI audio such as the ATI 4xx0 series. nVidia only has support for HDMI on their integrated chipsets such as the 9300 and 9400 - for reasons unknown to me they seem to not be able to want to add hardware support on the discrete graphics cards.
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post #492 of 2862
3/29/09 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by xgecko View Post

The simplest answer is to ditch PDVD9 and go with TMT3 for multichannel and if you really want bitstreaming then you have no choice but to spring for an Asus HDAV 1.3 which is the only currently shipping product that has the Hardware PAP required to do this. Sad but true.

Actually, it's the only currently shipping product that has the Hardware PAP required to do this that any software player supports. The MSI Media Live Diva meets the Hardware PAP requirement but is not yet supported by any player.
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post #493 of 2862
3/29/09 at 2:52pm
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Originally Posted by vladd View Post

Actually, it's the only currently shipping product that has the Hardware PAP required to do this that any software player supports. The MSI Media Live Diva meets the Hardware PAP requirement but is not yet supported by any player.

??? Are you talking about the HD3200 "HDMI" chip there (which doesn't even have LPCM 7.1), or the amplified sound card? A quick look at the mobo doesn't reveal much. The HDMI port I'm assuming it's most likely connected to the HD3200, not the ALC888, and I don't even know if the 888 has bitstreaming capability for the HD codecs.
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post #494 of 2862
3/29/09 at 2:54pm
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Originally Posted by xgecko View Post

The simplest answer is to ditch PDVD9 and go with TMT3 for multichannel

As Braumin said, unfortunately this won't fix his problem. His problem is not PowerDVD9, but the S/PDIF connection he's making.

That said, even if he had a 7.1 LPCM HDMI card, most likely it wouldn't work with PowerDVD 9.
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post #495 of 2862
3/29/09 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

??? Are you talking about the HD3200 "HDMI" chip there (which doesn't even have LPCM 7.1), or the amplified sound card? A quick look at the mobo doesn't reveal much. The HDMI port I'm assuming it's most likely connected to the HD3200, not the ALC888, and I don't even know if the 888 has bitstreaming capability for the HD codecs.

I meant the D2 addin audio cards (5.1 amped or 7.1 preamped). The audio never passes over a user accessible bus. I missed the mention of "bitsteaming" though. Obviously, the D2 card wouldn't be bitstreaming.
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post #496 of 2862
3/29/09 at 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by therealjoeblow View Post

You can't use the v9 filters in MPC, ZoomPlayer or any other external player. Dozens have tried on various message boards, none have been able to make it work. Install PDVD8 alongside PDVD9 (it works fine) and use the v8 filters instead, they work outside of PDVD. I did that today, it's sorking great.

Cheers,
The REAL Joe

Meh. I gave up, got my money back and bought CoreAVC 1.9.5. I find it works really well on my nVidia card, especially now that CUDA support is enabled. Only cost me $15.
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post #497 of 2862
3/29/09 at 7:21pm
My father just built an HTPC clone of my own with an Intel DG45ID board. My HTPC uses PowerDVD 8. He bought PowerDVD 9 Ultra for $100. Looks like it doesn't support the Intel IDT sound chipset. Vista Media Center can play DVDs with surround sound no problem, but powerdvd will only get him "Use SPID/F" and no other options. This gets him stereo only sound.

On the upside, he likes the TrueTheater a lot since he disabled the Motion Smoothing (which seems like a bad idea as Cyberlink explains it.) But alas, he's not going to use PowerDVD and miss out on all his sound. So this means that he really can't watch Blurays, except in 2 channel sound.

The PowerDVD 9 FAQ lists only 3 soundcards that support "high definition audio," 2 realtek chipsets and the Auzentech.
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post #498 of 2862
3/30/09 at 6:01am
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Originally Posted by Nebor View Post

My father just built an HTPC clone of my own with an Intel DG45ID board. My HTPC uses PowerDVD 8. He bought PowerDVD 9 Ultra for $100. Looks like it doesn't support the Intel IDT sound chipset. Vista Media Center can play DVDs with surround sound no problem, but powerdvd will only get him "Use SPID/F" and no other options. This gets him stereo only sound.

On the upside, he likes the TrueTheater a lot since he disabled the Motion Smoothing (which seems like a bad idea as Cyberlink explains it.) But alas, he's not going to use PowerDVD and miss out on all his sound. So this means that he really can't watch Blurays, except in 2 channel sound.

The PowerDVD 9 FAQ lists only 3 soundcards that support "high definition audio," 2 realtek chipsets and the Auzentech.


The two chipsets are analog out only to boot...
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post #499 of 2862
3/30/09 at 6:02am
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

As Braumin said, unfortunately this won't fix his problem. His problem is not PowerDVD9, but the S/PDIF connection he's making.

That said, even if he had a 7.1 LPCM HDMI card, most likely it wouldn't work with PowerDVD 9.

I did miss the SPDIF bit but my statement still stands with regard to the Asus card; that will give him full HDMI sound bitstreamed or LPCM.

And frankly, given what I have seen here, not working with PDVD9 is not a bad thing...
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post #500 of 2862
3/30/09 at 7:35pm
I contacted support again. I will give them a couple of weeks before I get a refund, but this is the response I got concering 2 channel HDMI audio:

We have escalated the issue to our Research and Development team for analysis.

They are working on this issue and will release a patch soon to resolve this issue.

The patch better come soon!
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post #501 of 2862
3/30/09 at 8:13pm
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Originally Posted by Nebor View Post

My father just built an HTPC clone of my own with an Intel DG45ID board. My HTPC uses PowerDVD 8. He bought PowerDVD 9 Ultra for $100. Looks like it doesn't support the Intel IDT sound chipset. Vista Media Center can play DVDs with surround sound no problem, but powerdvd will only get him "Use SPID/F" and no other options. This gets him stereo only sound.

On the upside, he likes the TrueTheater a lot since he disabled the Motion Smoothing (which seems like a bad idea as Cyberlink explains it.) But alas, he's not going to use PowerDVD and miss out on all his sound. So this means that he really can't watch Blurays, except in 2 channel sound.

The PowerDVD 9 FAQ lists only 3 soundcards that support "high definition audio," 2 realtek chipsets and the Auzentech.

No he can watch multichannel.
The options are
spdif encoded to DTS or DD
Analog downsampled to 16/48
LPCM HDMI downsampled to 16/48
Althought I think the LPCM HDMI is bugged right now.
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post #502 of 2862
3/31/09 at 12:08am
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Originally Posted by Nebor View Post

My father just built an HTPC clone of my own with an Intel DG45ID board. My HTPC uses PowerDVD 8. He bought PowerDVD 9 Ultra for $100. Looks like it doesn't support the Intel IDT sound chipset. Vista Media Center can play DVDs with surround sound no problem, but powerdvd will only get him "Use SPID/F" and no other options. This gets him stereo only sound.

If you play DVD movies, the "Output mode" pulldown menu is disabled. But this is fine because DD/DTS pass-through is still supported and you will get surround sounds.

If you play BD movies, then you will see three options in the "Output mode" pulldown menu:

- Only primary audio
- Dolby Digital Mixing
- DTS Mixing

"Only primary audio" supports DD/DTS pass-through. For multichannel LPCM/Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD Master Audio tracks, select either "Dolby Digital Mixing" (a real-time DD encoder) or "DTS Mixing" (a real-time DTS encoder) and you will get surround sounds.

Summary: You will get surround sounds from (almost) all movies with PowerDVD 9 + S/PDIF.
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post #503 of 2862
3/31/09 at 1:39am
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Originally Posted by Braumin View Post

I contacted support again. I will give them a couple of weeks before I get a refund, but this is the response I got concering 2 channel HDMI audio:

We have escalated the issue to our Research and Development team for analysis.

They are working on this issue and will release a patch soon to resolve this issue.

This is a standard form of words they use all the time and it does not mean what you think it means or even what it says.

It sounds like R&D have accepted the bug and are actively working on a fix. In fact it just means that the first line support organisation (not sure if these are even real Cyberlink employees or a contracted support firm) have given up trying to fix it by taking you though their standard diagnostic process and they have flagged it as an unresolved problem. R&D may dismiss it as something wrong with your configuration/installation or merely judge it not worthy of fixing (the latter is of course unlikely in your case). Anyway, just because you have that mail does not mean anyone is actively working on fixing the problem.

This may sound just like cynicism on my part, but I personally have about 6 such things outstanding with Cyberlink, some dating back to PDVD7, that are still not resolved.
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post #504 of 2862
3/31/09 at 4:50am
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Originally Posted by xgecko View Post

The simplest answer is to ditch PDVD9 and go with TMT3 for multichannel and if you really want bitstreaming then you have no choice but to spring for an Asus HDAV 1.3 which is the only currently shipping product that has the Hardware PAP required to do this. Sad but true.

I guess I'll have to deal with setting my audio to "6 speakers" for my 5.1 setup and have my speakers output Dolby from the speaker properties? (So no matter what, my onkyo 605 always displays "Dolby")

Say I play The Dark Knight Blu Ray with the Dolby TrueHD track, with the audio settings I just mentioned. Is that equivelent to having MPCM? I mean.. is the audio decoded in the HTPC then transferred to my 605? because the bass sounds way too strong...
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post #505 of 2862
4/1/09 at 12:15pm
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Originally Posted by bokis View Post

Are you sure I´m not a technical guy but it works for me in Mpc-hc
look under "How to extract PowerDVD MPEG2" in this tread if this is what you are looking for

http://forum.team-mediaportal.com/co...tal-saf-44614/

PDVD v-8 filters work just fine, PDVD v-9 will not. I've tried both with these results. Dozens of others on many boards have posted the same results.

You are probably using the v-8 of the CLVsd.ax filter. It's confusing, though, because Cyberlink has used a stupid numbering scheme with the internal code when compiling the filters. If you right click on the CLVsd.ax file and select properties and then "Version", you will get the following results:

from CyberLink PowerDVD Ultra v8.0.1531: the filter is v-8.1.0.1513
from CyberLink PowerDVD Ultra v9.0.1501: the filter is v-8.4.0.205

So these both 'look' like they are v-8 filters when you look inside the .ax file, but guaranteed, the 8.4.0.205 version of the filter that comes with PDVD9 will *NOT* connect to any other player, at least now with known methods or hacks.

Cheers,
The REAL Joe
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post #506 of 2862
4/1/09 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by Braumin View Post

I contacted support again. I will give them a couple of weeks before I get a refund, but this is the response I got concering 2 channel HDMI audio:

We have escalated the issue to our Research and Development team for analysis.

They are working on this issue and will release a patch soon to resolve this issue.

The patch better come soon!

As noted by others, don't hold your breath. This is their standard response. They wrote me *word for word* ages (and versions) ago when I complained that the damned software whas HARD CODED to ignore the .mkv file extension when trying to load media files, but if the exact same file is simply renamed to *.avi or *.mp4 or any other extension that isn't blackballed, the file plays just fine. It's a stupid programming decision to either enable or blacklist simple file loading based on extension.

I should be able to drop "file.golearnhowtoprogramproperly" on the player, and provided it has valid video and audio within, the program should play it, the extension should make no difference.

But enough of that rant, the point was, the response "we have escalated the issue..." is pure BS as far as my experience with them goes. I mean, really, how long does it take to either remove or add (depending on how they programmed it) the letters ".mkv" to the code???

Cheers,
The REAL Joe
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post #507 of 2862
4/1/09 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by therealjoeblow View Post

As noted by others, don't hold your breath. This is their standard response. They wrote me *word for word* ages (and versions) ago when I complained that the damned software whas HARD CODED to ignore the .mkv file extension when trying to load media files, but if the exact same file is simply renamed to *.avi or *.mp4 or any other extension that isn't blackballed, the file plays just fine. It's a stupid programming decision to either enable or blacklist simple file loading based on extension.

I should be able to drop "file.golearnhowtoprogramproperly" on the player, and provided it has valid video and audio within, the program should play it, the extension should make no difference.

But enough of that rant, the point was, the response "we have escalated the issue..." is pure BS as far as my experience with them goes. I mean, really, how long does it take to either remove or add (depending on how they programmed it) the letters ".mkv" to the code???

Cheers,
The REAL Joe

In any language I have ever worked with it is about 10 minutes. less than 1 minute to find the location, another few seconds to do the editing, then about 8 or so minutes to test enough for beta...

But then this is for normal programmers. I suspect it will take Cybercoders about 10 times as long after the 52 supervisors approved it. If only 51 approve it then you are SOL...
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post #508 of 2862
4/1/09 at 2:46pm
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Originally Posted by therealjoeblow View Post

So these both 'look' like they are v-8 filters when you look inside the .ax file, but guaranteed, the 8.4.0.205 version of the filter that comes with PDVD9 will *NOT* connect to any other player, at least now with known methods or hacks.

Is there any reason why one couldn't keep an older copy of the filters somewhere (else) on the hard disk, so long as they are registered and in the PATH somehow? Leaving the new version to install normally?
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post #509 of 2862
4/1/09 at 8:49pm
The first PowerDVD9 patch is out. The info is a little thin on what it fixes though.
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post #510 of 2862
4/1/09 at 9:06pm
Unfortunately, it did not fix HDMI audio/2ch problem. I am not sure what's Cyberlink thinking lately.
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