When did Kimber Heros get so expensive??? - Page 10

Sounds like deflection to me, especially in light of the information I gave you a few days ago.




I find it insulting, I don't recall making said statement. Make the effort or retract the accusation. I don't require an apology.




Cool story, bro.

Well I wouldn't say I was sensastionalizing but perhaps I was exagerating for the hell of it. I have no skin in this game other than to say I think it an outlandish claim for someone to make regarding an audible difference in sq between wire that is new and wire that has been "burned in"

If you feel differently, hey, doesn't hurt me any. But it does confuse those new to the hobby.

But I do and always will find it intersting to see some that claim that there are audible differences refuse to put it to the test. Under any circumstances. Reason being I was one of them. As I have stated several times in past posts. But ABX equipment was an eye opener for me. And regardless of whether or not the tests we ran would be suitable for peer review in scientific publications, they were well run and the results spoke for themselves. Nobody, under any circumstances, over a perior of several years, was EVER able to differentiate between amps, DACS, receivers, wires of any kind, and transports as long as they were not driven past spec.

But I'll leave you and Jin alone to settle your own differences. I was just interfering for shites and giggles.

I can dig it, I am not here to fight, I am here for fun.


If you like to believe that CD players, DACS, receivers, amps and cables sound the same, that is cool.

Legitimate cable manufacturers use Teflon as required for hard duty, NOT imagined audio inter-reactions.

Teflon® is a fluorinated thermoplastic with outstanding thermal, physical, and electrical properties. Teflon is generally restricted to applications requiring its special characteristics because its basic resin and processing costs are relatively high.

Belden Teflon wire products are highly recommended for miniature cable applications because of their superior thermal and electrical properties. Teflon is especially suitable for internal wiring-soldering applications where insulation melt back is a specific problem. Belden wiring products insulated with Teflon are outstanding in their resistance to oil, oxidation, heat, sunlight and flame; and also in their ability to remain flexible at low temperatures. They have excellent resistance to ozone, water, alcohol, gasoline, acids, alkalis, aromatic hydrocarbons and solvents.

Is this good enough for ICs? It sure is for the recording industry.
http://www.canare.com/TopicDisplay.a...ote&TopicID=61

None of my electronics make any noise when i press them against my ears.

How can I get my ICs to produce sound?

Either your electronics or your ears, or both, are no good.


I think that if you apply a voltage far in excess of the ICs' rated voltage, you'll get sound.*

*Professional engineer in closed laboratory. Do not attempt this stunt.

Instead of wasting time you guys should try to hack the SACD encryption and make everyone happy.

HDtracks.com FTW

I do not hack anything, nor would I try. I prefer to share honest and accurate information with others as opposed to stealing.

Just because you hack it, I wouldn't call it stealing if you own the SACD Disc already.

What's wrong with simply enjoying the music as presented without trying to modify everything? The medium is NOT massage (cr.>Marshal McLuhan), it is the message. In this case, music.

with due respect, some of us like the idea of having everything we listen to available to us in one digital source at the touch of a button.

Then others prefer cleaning their vinyl and spending half an hour just getting it working.

I simply put a universal system together than can handle any type of recording media from vinyl to RTR to cassette to CD. Sounds fine and I keep it in great shape. Some vintage, some new, some custom made by me.

Some of us store all our music on a single device, like a music server. I do this for whole house audio. No need to come in from the garage just to change a CD that way.

It would be nice to also be able to rip my SACD's to a device, but I just choose not to buy anymore SACD's. It's pretty much a dead format anyways.

My thoughts too and why I never got in to SACD. If you don't want me participating in your eco system in a convienent and reasonable manner then I don't.

And look where it got them. Instead of locking it up, they killed it.

I'm not a crook for burning my 500 CD's and 150'ish DVD's. I'm your customer.

Here's a measurement of teflon jacketed IC cable. Yellow is after 200+ hours of break in and purple is after disconnecting and reconnecting to see if settle in factor makes a difference. The microphone was placed a few inches away from the speaker to reduce room interaction factor.

It's audibly indistinguishable.



I'll post the results of broken in versus new IC cable in a few days.

The EIA, NAB, AES, INFOCOMM, etc will be very interested to see the results.

These are the guys who build cables and use them. They need to know what they are doing wrong.

Of course the room ambient temperature, humidity and air pressure are all identical for this test.

Rather extreme amplitude fluctuations for a piece of wire too. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Signal source? Amplifier response curve is.....? Speaker response curve is......?

When testing a cable, the variables need to be controlled. This graph shows essentially nothing.

It was frequency sweep. Time between those two measurements was about 10 seconds and the microphone location was the same. This is just a basic frequency response and it does show that cable settle in has no audible influence.

As Giz wrote, you can't do a wire test using speakers and microphones.
See the 11/2009 issue of AudioXpress magazine. In the distortion measurement article some wire measurements at about -150 db are referenced.

I was measuring the sound, not the cable. What I did was to go the route that an average Joe would after reading online about cable break in or settle in and swaps his cables and goes, hmmm... Only difference is that instead of using ears, I used microphone to SHOW what was being heard. The conclusion is, cable settle in made no audible difference.

Here are more sound measurements.

This is between broken in IC cable and new IC cable. They are both from same length CAT-5 cable which the conduits are teflon jacketed.

Green is cable used well over 200 hours. Yellow is new cable. No audible difference.

This is measurement of same cable but microphone moved 1/2 inch to the side (orange).

It shows more difference than the cable swap. Looking at this, I am more concerned about the difference caused by listener's ear position when they compare cables than the difference the cable itself can cause.

Well, of course you would be You are after the facts. Others pay no attension to it.

Personal apology to Tess. I attributed him to saying something about me that was from CDLehner.

Sorry about that.

Thank you, apology accepted. Glad we could set it straight, Jinjuku. -handshake-

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