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post #391 of 1364
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Originally Posted by Kage View Post

Besides the wireless network card and front usb port on the S560, what are the other differences on the S560 that the S360 does not have?

I think the 560 will have Dts-Hd-Master audio decoding and bitstreams then the 360.
post #392 of 1364
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Originally Posted by PoorSignal View Post

does know what the the S360 "faster loading" option does. Does the machine boot faster or does discs load faster? and how much power is used kept on constantly?

My gripe is that when you press eject from off state, it takes a few seconds before the tray ejects.

The fan is always on
post #393 of 1364
Hello there ... quick question that might be a stupid question but I thought I would ask in hopes someone could clarify for me. From the BD-360 spec sheet it states the following ...
"7.1 channel Dolby® TrueHD and Dolby® Digital Plus, DTS®-HD High Resolution Audio, and DTS-HD Master Audio decoding"
I'm curious if this will help me ... I have a Sunfire TGIV which obviously doesn't do onboard DTS / DD Plus / True HD Master decoding and also deosn't have HDMI inputs. Does the "decoding" blurb from the spec sheet mean that I can now utilize the optical and/or coaxial outs on the 360 to get the HD audio to my Sunfire? I was under the impression that the master audio tracks either had to come from HDMI or out of analog 7.1 output on the player (which in this case, the 360 does NOT have 7.1 analog out) before a preamp/receiver could output that signal. I assume that's still true and that the "Master Audio Decoding" blurb in the spec sheet means something else? I guess I'm just confused ... I would love it if it would somehow be able to send me the Master tracks via opt/coax so that I can hear them but I'm sure that's not the case. Anyway, can someone please clear this up for me and ... if that's not what "on-board decoding" of the HD tracks means then what is that really gaining us if you're already outputting it via HDMI anyways. Just trying to figure it out ... thanks!
post #394 of 1364
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Originally Posted by PoorSignal View Post

Is it possible to change the font size for the subtitle.. I think you can do this with a PS3 right?

I have a Playstation 3 and you cannot do this.

It's all controlled by whatever is on the disc and if the disc doesn't have the option you cannot do it.
post #395 of 1364
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Originally Posted by hdblu View Post

I think the 560 will have Dts-Hd-Master audio decoding and bitstreams then the 360.

This is not true, the 360 also decodes internally into PCM (ala PS3) and also bitstream!
post #396 of 1364
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Originally Posted by pinkeye View Post

Hello there ... quick question that might be a stupid question but I thought I would ask in hopes someone could clarify for me. From the BD-360 spec sheet it states the following ...
"7.1 channel Dolby® TrueHD and Dolby® Digital Plus, DTS®-HD High Resolution Audio, and DTS-HD Master Audio decoding"
I'm curious if this will help me ... I have a Sunfire TGIV which obviously doesn't do onboard DTS / DD Plus / True HD Master decoding and also deosn't have HDMI inputs. Does the "decoding" blurb from the spec sheet mean that I can now utilize the optical and/or coaxial outs on the 360 to get the HD audio to my Sunfire? I was under the impression that the master audio tracks either had to come from HDMI or out of analog 7.1 output on the player (which in this case, the 360 does NOT have 7.1 analog out) before a preamp/receiver could output that signal. I assume that's still true and that the "Master Audio Decoding" blurb in the spec sheet means something else? I guess I'm just confused ... I would love it if it would somehow be able to send me the Master tracks via opt/coax so that I can hear them but I'm sure that's not the case. Anyway, can someone please clear this up for me and ... if that's not what "on-board decoding" of the HD tracks means then what is that really gaining us if you're already outputting it via HDMI anyways. Just trying to figure it out ... thanks!

It can decode lossless HD (DTA-HDMA or Dobly True HD) track and send them via HDMI in LPCM 5.1 or 7.1 format. I suppose if the 560 have 7.1 RCA out it also outputs via that, all set in the setting of the player. That's the only way you won't need to replace your receiver if it has 7.1 analog inputs

The Coax or Toslink cable cannot carry lossless sound only the older DD5.1 or DTS, both lossy. I am not sure about this, but I assume the player is ableto get the DTS core from the DTS-HDMA or DD5.1 from True HD and put it out the toslink to give you downmixed sound? What about if the disc only have PCM?
post #397 of 1364
I just bought the 560 model and I have it hooked up to my Onkyo TX-SR705.... What I'm getting from reading some of the other posts is that (much like the PS3) it will indeed play DTS HD and Dolby TrueHD, but it will NOT say "DTS HD" or "Dolby TrueHD" on the actual receiver... It will say "PCM" instead? If so, why is that? I know its the same sound format, it just doesn't say it on the receiver? Is there a BD player that does allow the receiver to say it? I have OCD, so it bothers me lol

*UPDATE*

How do you disable the sound formats on the player itself? In other words how do you set the player for Bitstream output so my receiver does the work for the audio?
post #398 of 1364
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Originally Posted by HDProjekt View Post

I just bought the 560 model and I have it hooked up to my Onkyo TX-SR705.... What I'm getting from reading some of the other posts is that (much like the PS3) it will indeed play DTS HD and Dolby TrueHD, but it will NOT say "DTS HD" or "Dolby TrueHD" on the actual receiver... It will say "PCM" instead? If so, why is that? I know its the same sound format, it just doesn't say it on the receiver? Is there a BD player that does allow the receiver to say it? I have OCD, so it bothers me lol

*UPDATE*

How do you disable the sound formats on the player itself? In other words how do you set the player for Bitstream output so my receiver does the work for the audio?

BD Audio Direct.
post #399 of 1364
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Originally Posted by Kage View Post

Besides the wireless network card and front usb port on the S560, what are the other differences on the S560 that the S360 does not have?

I briefly owned both the S360 and S560. In addition to what you said, the 560 has a taller chassis (to accomodate the front USB port) with a seemingly thicker cover (doesn't "ping" as much when I tap on it). Also, the "Blu-ray" logo on the 560 is an emblem while the 360 is just printed on (looks classier). Both have identical remotes.

I returned the S360 because of a faint but annoying "buzzing/rattling" sound coming from the drive which I can hear from my viewing position 6 feet away. I live in an apt and watch movies at night so I have to keep the volume down. I confirmed the noise was coming from within the transport (i.e. disc drive mechanism) itself and not the fan (or any other part) when I operated the unit with the top cover off. The 560 also makes this noise but it is not nearly as loud. I assume that they both have identical transports.

For the heck of it, I'm going to apply Dynamat Xtreme sound damping material to the insides of the player (e.g. underneath top cover, on transport, etc). I've done this mod before to several CD/DVD players and it helps to reduce the emitted noise.

Overall, I'm pretty happy with my purchase (this is my first Blu-ray player). The load times are not too bad. The picture quality is awesome, even on my 4 year old 32" Sony LCD (720p). The menu system is easy to use.
post #400 of 1364
I am not able to to get the 360 to decode the HD audio formats and send over HDMI to my processor (which cannot decode , but can accept) I had an earlier Samsung that was able to do this so no I know it can handle the formats. I tried the setting BD Audio to direct, but it didn't help.

Is there another player that actually has a setting for bitstream and lossless

Thanks for the help.
post #401 of 1364
I have a Sony S360 for about 3 weeks and I am fully satisfied. Played around 20 blurays from netflix and haven't experienced any issues. The player's operation is very smooth. For the price, its very hard to beat.
post #402 of 1364
I just ordered the 560 on Amazon for $286.30. Free 3-5day shipping, no tax.
post #403 of 1364
I received My Sony BDP-S560 Friday (8/7/2009). Ordered it a month and a half ago. Had the day off today but did not get home until 8:30PM to try it out and play.

I purchased the S560 to replace the very expensive LG BH100, that is a real pain as it will not play several Blu-ray disks, even with the latest firmware updates. It Was a bummer to spend around a thousand dollars, for the dual format player and only get two years out of it. The only luck I had was I only purchased three HD-DVD ( Trnasformers, Breach and Bourne Ultimatum) before Sony squashed the format, with several 100 million in pay offs.

The S560 is smaller and lighter then the LG BH100. When I first took it out of the box I noticed that the ENTIRE front panel hinges down to eject the disk. Now the IR pick up is behing this huge door. How is this going to work with a stick on IR emitter? If I placed the emitter directly on the IR pick up the door will not close and the play and and stop button would not work. As it worked out the simple solution was to place the emitter on the door and run the wire down the front and under the player. Simple now but a panic at first glance.

The wired Ethernet hook up was simple, just plug and go (I did not use the WiFi connection). When the player first started up it was easy to have it check for updates. With the LG BH100 it was a lone process of finding the update on the internet, downloading it, correctly burn the image to a DVD, and then place the disk in the player to get the firmware update. The Sony BDP-S560 is just a menu option and your done.

The next issue was the HDMI connection. When going through the setup menus, if you select HDMI it forces you to use 1080p. Will I have HDMI but my old NEC projector is set up and converged for 1080i, so now what? Well if you read the manual, yes I had to read the manual, it tells you to select Component even if you are using HDMI? Not that this makes since? Once I did that I had the option to select 1080i, 720p, 480p etc... and the HDMI worked great.

To used BD live you need additional memory. This is done via the rear USB port and must be at lease 1gig of RAM. I popped in an older 1gig flash drive, started up the player and it politely informed me that the flash drive was not supported. So I thought to my self this is a Sony product, it must need some special, expensive SONY USB flash drive. But I also has a 4gig drive that a tech sales guy gave me. So I turned off the played and plugged in the 4gig flash drive and to my surprise it worked.

I also had time to try the HLNA server connection. Has some problems get windows Vista to allow access but once I found the correct screen to allow shared media access the Sony BDP S560 picked up the Vista machine. From there I was able to display photos that were on the Vista machine on the theater screen using the S560.

Still need to play a lot with the BDS S560 but for now I'am happy. The one down side is the player will NOT stream Netflix movies. The new LG players did, but after my experience with the LG BH100, my next Blu-ray player was NOT going to be an LG product. I will spend the 100 bucks for and external Netflix streaming device.

The remote is great, it is not just row after row of buttons. There is a nice layout that makes it easy to find buttons in the dark. Would have been nice if it was lighted.
post #404 of 1364
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Originally Posted by Real View Post

Logitech did get back to me indicating that they added the eject code to the S560. The e-mail seemed to suggest that they just did this on my account.

I'm trying to use the Harmony software to set up a 560 now, and the Eject code isn't there. So what do I do? Contact Logitech?
post #405 of 1364
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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh View Post

I'm trying to use the Harmony software to set up a 560 now, and the Eject code isn't there. So what do I do? Contact Logitech?

The eject button is not present on the remote either for the BDP-BX2. I think it is because the whole panel comes down when inserting a disc. I have the BDP-BX1 and BDP-BX2. I noticed the BX1 is heavier and has a better build. I couldn't tell the difference in picture and sound quality between the two units. I am going to be returning one of the units. I am still playing around with them.
post #406 of 1364
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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh View Post

I'm trying to use the Harmony software to set up a 560 now, and the Eject code isn't there. So what do I do? Contact Logitech?

Two possibilities, both very easy. The easiest is to use the S360 codes and just re-label it for the S560 (if all codes are the same--I have not checked this; the S360 "eject" code does work on the S560). I had a learning remote around, so just learned the eject code and added it to the S560 profile.
post #407 of 1364
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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh View Post

I'm trying to use the Harmony software to set up a 560 now, and the Eject code isn't there. So what do I do? Contact Logitech?

Not sure how the Harmony works but try looking up the code for the BDP-350. It has an open/close button on the remote. I previously owned a 350 and still had it programmed in my universal remote and it works my 560.
post #408 of 1364
OK, I hope this is something simple...

I'm hooking a BDP-S360 up to a NEC LT240K projector, via a HDMI to VGA cable. And it will not let me select HDMI in the Outout Video menu. Only Component, which works fine, but I wanted to see the diff in the HDMI picture, which is why I ordered the converter cable...

Everything is plugged in snuggly, but it simply won't let me select HDMI. I've rebooted with just the HDMI cable in, etc. No dice.

Any advice?
post #409 of 1364
I just received my S560 today and immediately hooked it up to my 40XBR6 via HDMI. I'm getting a perfect picture, but can't seem to get any audio. I've tried various different settings, so I'm hoping that I just overlooked something simple. There are no other components in this setup.

S560 HDMI out ----> 40XBR6 HDMI in = Image with no sound

Suggestions?




PS - I've used the same HDMI cable as recently as last week to connect my laptop with the TV and had no issues with sound or video.
post #410 of 1364
Don't know the capabilities of that projector, but do know it's been around a while. Most likely won't do 1080p/24 and may not handle the handshake for auto-resolution properly. So first I'd try setting up the S360 for something like 720p/60 to start.
post #411 of 1364
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Originally Posted by X6StringerX View Post

I just received my S560 today and immediately hooked it up to my 40XBR6 via HDMI. I'm getting a perfect picture, but can't seem to get any audio. I've tried various different settings, so I'm hoping that I just overlooked something simple. There are no other components in this setup.

S560 HDMI out ----> 40XBR6 HDMI in = Image with no sound

Suggestions?



PS - I've used the same HDMI cable as recently as last week to connect my laptop with the TV and had no issues with sound or video.

Did you play with the audio settings on the S560. Since you have it directly hooked to your TV, you would have to choose PCM.
post #412 of 1364
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Originally Posted by Yung View Post

Did you play with the audio settings on the S560. Since you have it directly hooked to your TV, you would have to choose PCM.

Unfortunately yes, I've explored the settings on both the S560 and the TV. The following settings that are bold are the ones I've tried. If more than one setting for each category is bold, then I've tried each one.

S560:

Audio Output Priority: HDMI - Coaxle/Optical - Stereo Analog
Audio (HDMI): Auto - 2ch PCM
BD Audio Setting: Mix - Direct
Audio ATT: On - Off
Dolby Digital: Downmix PCM - Dolby Digital
DTS: Downmix PCM - DTS
48kHz/96kHz PCM: 48kHz/16bit - 96kHz/24bit
Audio DRC: Auto - Standard - TV Mode - Wide Range
Downmix: Dolby Surround - Normal

I think I've tried just about every combination of the bolded settings, but I'm still open to suggestions in case I overlooked something really important. As you can see, I've tried pretty much everything but the Coaxle/Optical and Stereo Analog.




EDIT:

I decided to give the Sony Support Chat a try. After going through the obvious "check to see if the TV's mute function is enabled", the technician suggested that I reset the player and that did the trick. I had totally ruled that option out previously because it didn't make sense to reset a new player, but I was obviously wrong. I'm so happy I didn't have to RMA this thing!

Also, for the record, the following settings have been selected and everything functions 100% now.
The setup has remained the same. (Sony BDP-S560 HDMI Output----HDMI CABLE----Sony KDL-40XBR6 HDMI Input #1)

Audio Output Priority: HDMI
Audio (HDMI): Auto
BD Audio Setting: Mix
Audio ATT: Off
Dolby Digital: Dolby Digital
DTS: DTS
48kHz/96kHz PCM: 48kHz/16bit
Audio DRC: Auto
Downmix: Dolby Surround
post #413 of 1364
So is there a 100% understanding from actual owners that the BDP-S360 in fact decodes DTS HD Master Audio? There seems to be some confusion from some of the forums I have read.
post #414 of 1364
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Originally Posted by RDarrylR View Post

So is there a 100% understanding from actual owners that the BDP-S360 in fact decodes DTS HD Master Audio? There seems to be some confusion from some of the forums I have read.

It does. I've tried it myself but I'm currently using bitstream out only now though.

Check out the specifications of the player on Sony's site and under support look for the Marketing Specifications PDF along with the Operating Manual. See footnote *2 on page 63 covering HD audio.
post #415 of 1364
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Originally Posted by Wesley Hester View Post

It does. I've tried it myself but I'm currently using bitstream out only now though.

Check out the specifications of the player on Sony's site and under support look for the Marketing Specifications PDF along with the Operating Manual. See footnote *2 on page 63 covering HD audio.

Great thanks. I've read what's on the site but some people with seem to claim it does not. I guess they are doing something wrong.
post #416 of 1364
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Originally Posted by RDarrylR View Post

Great thanks. I've read what's on the site but some people with seem to claim it does not. I guess they are doing something wrong.

That could be the case as there is no bitstream/LPCM toggle setting. There's Mix (LPCM with secondary audio (key press and menu sounds; some extra content sound) / Direct (bitstreamed primary audio if receiver can decode or set to decode; LPCM from player otherwise) instead. Having said that though, playing Punisher: War Zone with it's 7.1 DTS-HD MA soundtrack with the S360 set to Mix outputs 5.1 LPCM at 48kHz. The PS3 plays it back at 7.1 LPCM. Maybe someone else can chime in on this.

Also with LPCM encoded Blu-ray discs, the manual states "PCM 96kHz and PCM 192kHz audio signals are output as PCM 48kHz audio signals when 'BD Audio Setting' is set to 'Mix'".
post #417 of 1364
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Originally Posted by Wesley Hester View Post

That could be the case as there is no bitstream/LPCM toggle setting. There's Mix (LPCM with secondary audio (key press and menu sounds; some extra content sound) / Direct (bitstreamed primary audio only) instead. Having said that though, playing Punisher: War Zone with it's 7.1 DTS-HD MA soundtrack with the S360 set to Mix outputs 5.1 LPCM at 48kHz. The PS3 plays it back at 7.1 LPCM. Maybe someone else can chime in on this.

Also with LPCM encoded Blu-ray discs, the manual states "PCM 96kHz and PCM 192kHz audio signals are output as PCM 48kHz audio signals when 'BD Audio Setting' is set to 'Mix'".

If the player is set to direct and the receiver can not decoded DTS-MA, or its set to only accept PCM, then the S360 will decode the DTS-MA track and output it at PCM. Tested this myself with a 7.1 DTS-MA track and with my receiver set to only accept PCM the player decoded the track and output 7.1 PCM. However if you set it to mix it will only decode the DTS core and mix any other audio and output a 5.1 PCM track.
post #418 of 1364
hey guys, this is annoying. my tv (panny tcp50x1) keeps turning off my Sony S360 when ever i switches input on the tv or turns the tv off.

btw, the s360 is connected to the panny tv via hdmi.

thanks for any help.
post #419 of 1364
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

hey guys, this is annoying. my tv (panny tcp50x1) keeps turning off my Sony S360 when ever i switches input on the tv or turns the tv off.

btw, the s360 is connected to the panny tv via hdmi.

thanks for any help.

Check what "Control for HDMI" is set at on the player, usually to on by default. Try turning it to off to see if that makes it stop turning off.
post #420 of 1364
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Originally Posted by Wesley Hester View Post

That could be the case as there is no bitstream/LPCM toggle setting. There's Mix (LPCM with secondary audio (key press and menu sounds; some extra content sound) / Direct (bitstreamed primary audio only) instead. Having said that though, playing Punisher: War Zone with it's 7.1 DTS-HD MA soundtrack with the S360 set to Mix outputs 5.1 LPCM at 48kHz. The PS3 plays it back at 7.1 LPCM. Maybe someone else can chime in on this.

Also with LPCM encoded Blu-ray discs, the manual states "PCM 96kHz and PCM 192kHz audio signals are output as PCM 48kHz audio signals when 'BD Audio Setting' is set to 'Mix'".

Direct does not mean bitstream. Direct means the HDMI handshake determines whether the player decodes or bitstreams. Direct never includes secondary audio.

Mix forces player decoding. TrueHD is decoded as TrueHD. But, with dts-MA, the lossy core is decoded instead. The sampling rate is limited to 48kHz when set to mix, even for TrueHD tracks.

Some 7.1 tracks are incorrectly downmixed to 5.1 when decoded by the player. This first came up when dts-MA decoding was added to the PS3 and several discs from Mi Casa (Hairspray, Pan's Labyrinth, and a few others) were encoded with non-standard DTS Speaker Remapping flags. The decoder was set to output 5.1 under those circumstances. Sony fixed the PS3 decoder, but the S550 was released with the older version of the decoder. It looks like that may also be the case with the S360/560, although I suppose this could be a new issue. Mi Casa stopped using the problem remapping flags, but some newer releases, such as Hellboy II, from other mixing houses seem to have the same issue.
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