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post #961 of 1348
3/11/10 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by deano86 View Post

Congrats on the purchase... good to hear that we now have all options available to us regarding hi def audio and some other really cool extras. And according to Betamax99 the N460 works properly too. Enjoy.

Ha...regarding the N460 (and I know this is the wrong thread, but I just wanted to follow up), it was indeed able to internally decode DTS HD-MA 7.1 when the player was set to "Mix." But last night, I tried watching a movie with a Dolby TrueHD 6.1 track with the "Mix" setting, and it did NOT decode this track. It just sent my receiver a lossy 5.1 DD track. Weird stuff.
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post #962 of 1348
3/11/10 at 2:29pm
I am looking to see if any one has the Remote Code for the BD360 for the FIOS remotes. I tried all the codes in the remote's "manual" and FIOS online support, but no joy.
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post #963 of 1348
3/12/10 at 7:01am
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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

Whew. That's a lot of misinformation. Please allow me to explain how this stuff works.

When set to Direct using an HDMI connection, the Sony player uses the HDMI handshake to determine what to do.
> If the receiver has a dts-MA decoder, the player bitstreams the dts-MA track.
> If the receiver lacks the needed decoder, but can accept multichannel PCM, the player decodes the lossless dts-MA track and sends the resulting multichannel PCM to the receiver. (This is not limited to the core. The player decodes the core plus the lossless Master Audio extensions.)
> If the receiver cannot accept multichannel PCM but has a legacy DTS decoder, the player bitstreams the lossy DTS core.
> If the receiver lacks a legacy DTS decoder, the player decodes and downmixes to stereo for two channel PCM output.

Direct is the only setting which allows for a bitstream output. But, Direct does not mean bitstream. When set to Direct, depending on the capabilities of the receiver, the player may decode the lossless dts-MA track for output as multichannel PCM.

Your statement that the Toshiba HD-A3 can decode Master Audio is simply incorrect. It cannot decode a dts-MA track under any circumstance. The A3 has a legacy DTS decoder. So, when the user selects the dts-MA track on a disc, the player decodes or bitstreams the DTS core portion. It ignores the Master Audio extension data altogether.

Why do you think Sony removed dts-MA decoding from the current generation of players when the S550 did exactly as I described, exactly what the manual says it will do?

EDIT: The older S550 manual was a bit clearer in describing how the HDMI handshake works to determine whether the player decodes or bitstreams. But, the marketing specs for the S360 and S560 both clearly say these players internally decode TrueHD and dts-MA. And, in the year or so since these newer models came out, I don't recall seeing anyone else complain about the lack of dts-MA decoding.

That makes sense. It is understandable that this player can’t mix DTS-HD and secondary audio, but it has to decode the DTS-HD audio with some kind of setting. There is a DTS-HD Master Audio logo on the box and on the front of this unit, which means it has the decoder. So, you're probably right. Setting to DIRECT should do the trick.
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post #964 of 1348
3/13/10 at 11:45am
I have a Sony BDP-S560 . it is important for me to stream netflix, via wifi.

Could anyone summarize if Sony will release an update anytime soon for the 560 to be able to do the netflix streaming via wifi?

thanks.
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post #965 of 1348
3/13/10 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by rman66 View Post

I have a Sony BDP-S560 . it is important for me to stream netflix, via wifi.

Could anyone summarize if Sony will release an update anytime soon for the 560 to be able to do the netflix streaming via wifi?

thanks.

Extremely unlikely..... I would plan on purchasing another player and relegating the 560 for sale or for another TV in your home. I guess you could contact Sony support and ask....
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post #966 of 1348
3/13/10 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by deano86 View Post

Extremely unlikely..... I would plan on purchasing another player and relegating the 560 for sale or for another TV in your home. I guess you could contact Sony support and ask....

so which player can do all these with acceptable reviews -

Bluray playback
wifi, prefer not having a tail er dongle.
netflix streaming
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post #967 of 1348
3/13/10 at 4:01pm
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Originally Posted by rman66 View Post

so which player can do all these with acceptable reviews -

bluray playback
wifi, prefer not having a tail er dongle.
Netflix streaming

ps3
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post #968 of 1348
3/13/10 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by rman66 View Post

so which player can do all these with acceptable reviews -

Bluray playback
wifi, prefer not having a tail er dongle.
netflix streaming

Insignia NS-WBRDVD. No reviews though. But I have 4 of them, and they're all acceptable to me. I sold all my sonys and samsungs.
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post #969 of 1348
3/14/10 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by rman66 View Post

so which player can do all these with acceptable reviews -

Bluray playback
wifi, prefer not having a tail er dongle.
netflix streaming

Sony S570 does it all. (I have the s560 hopefully a firmware update will someday allow netflix but not likely )
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post #970 of 1348
3/15/10 at 7:38pm
If I was to buy a Sony BDP-S360 blu-ray player but had to go without a receiver for a little time.
Could I hook-up a pair of 2.1 powered computer speakers using an adapter to split the 3.5 stereo mini plug of the speakers into 2 RCA males to plug into the analog RCA audio outputs on the back of the Sony BDP-S360 blu-ray player ?

Could you use the HDMI to a Projector for the picture and the analog RCA outputs for the sound ?
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post #971 of 1348
3/21/10 at 12:55am
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Originally Posted by deano86 View Post

Thanks for checking on that.... I guess technically the player can "decode" DTS Master Audio, but what Sony should have done on their published specs for these models was to put in parantheses (DTS core only). Thats what Toshiba players on the HD-DVD side of things(HD-A3 for example) put right on the outside of the box. So there was no confusion. Oh well, not the first time the consumer gets mislead by a CE manufacturer and not the last I am sure.....

I have managed to get the player to display dts ma audio and output to stereo pcm over hdmi to my tv. It really is dependent on switching the BD Audio setting to Direct (as was suggested many posts ago). If you put it on Mix, you will get the secondary audio and menu sounds back, but the feature audio will be pulled exclusively from DTS core, regardless of if you have selected the MA Audio soundtrack. For the longest time, I couldn't figure out why I was only seeing the DTS 3/2.1 audio in the screen display of the player. By switching the audio settings back to Direct, it did the trick to enable MA Audio playback.

This little complication seems to only occur on movie discs that involve DTS for the audio. The Dolby TrueHD movie discs seems to be less fussy in that respect. If you want the lossless soundtrack, all you do is select it, and you get it, w/o having to figure out the player audio settings.

That said, I did discover a new issue, now that I got to play a DTS MA Audio soundtrack for the first time (decoding to pcm and sent to tv). On the Miami Vice disc, the player seems to now get hung up at about the 2/3 mark of the movie (chapter 21?). It never did this in the past, when I was evidently playing only from dts core. I have to do a soft-reset at the power button. I can only get the movie to resume playback by skipping to the next chapter to avoid that part where it gets stuck.

I don't know if I will encounter this behavior on my other dts-ma discs, but this first experience is not encouraging (harkening back to all the early stories about lossless dts playback fussiness in all sorts of players, all sorts of movies, traced to all sorts of chipsets, etc).

...wish the br player in my ps3 still worked.
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post #972 of 1348
3/21/10 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hanky View Post

This little complication seems to only occur on movie discs that involve DTS for the audio. The Dolby TrueHD movie discs seems to be less fussy in that respect. If you want the lossless soundtrack, all you do is select it, and you get it, w/o having to figure out the player audio settings.

That is correct. It is likely a resource issue - the player lacks the horsepower to decode dts-MA and mix secondary audio. So, it uses the core track when mixing. TrueHD takes less processing power to decode and the player can do lossless Dolby decoding and mix secondary audio at the same time.
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post #973 of 1348
3/21/10 at 2:05pm
Bought this player couple of months ago: Sony BDPS360 Profile 2.0 Blu-ray Player with BD Live but I have some sound issues...

When I play DVD movies the sound is very bad, I have to turn my loud speakers close to max so I can hear the voices.

It doesn't happen like this when I play videos from the pc which is also connected to my amp, like the blu-ray player.

Any ideas guys?

By the way, I have connected the blu-ray player to the amp using optical cable.
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post #974 of 1348
3/23/10 at 4:33am
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Originally Posted by alintatoc View Post

Bought this player couple of months ago: Sony BDPS360 Profile 2.0 Blu-ray Player with BD Live but I have some sound issues...

When I play DVD movies the sound is very bad, I have to turn my loud speakers close to max so I can hear the voices.

It doesn't happen like this when I play videos from the pc which is also connected to my amp, like the blu-ray player.

Any ideas guys?

By the way, I have connected the blu-ray player to the amp using optical cable.

Check your audio settings on the player. Its sounds liek it maybe misconfigured.
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post #975 of 1348
3/25/10 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by alintatoc View Post

Bought this player couple of months ago: Sony BDPS360 Profile 2.0 Blu-ray Player with BD Live but I have some sound issues...

When I play DVD movies the sound is very bad, I have to turn my loud speakers close to max so I can hear the voices.

It doesn't happen like this when I play videos from the pc which is also connected to my amp, like the blu-ray player.

Any ideas guys?

By the way, I have connected the blu-ray player to the amp using optical cable.

Like 3db said, your audio settings are not correct. When I got this player, it wasn't properly set up by default to bitstream via optical. So, it's just sending a downscaled PCM 2.0 signal. I don't remember off the top of my head what exact settings you need to change, but it's in your manual.
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post #976 of 1348
3/26/10 at 4:19am
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Originally Posted by 3db View Post

Check your audio settings on the player. Its sounds liek it maybe misconfigured.

See page 44-46 in the owners manual. It gives a description of the different audio outputs based on connector type.
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post #977 of 1348
3/26/10 at 4:21am
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Originally Posted by alintatoc View Post

Bought this player couple of months ago: Sony BDPS360 Profile 2.0 Blu-ray Player with BD Live but I have some sound issues...

When I play DVD movies the sound is very bad, I have to turn my loud speakers close to max so I can hear the voices.

It doesn't happen like this when I play videos from the pc which is also connected to my amp, like the blu-ray player.

Any ideas guys?

By the way, I have connected the blu-ray player to the amp using optical cable.


See page 44-46 in the owners manual. It gives a description of the different audio outputs based on connector type.
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post #978 of 1348
3/26/10 at 7:23am
^^^

HERE are the proper settings for optical.
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post #979 of 1348
3/27/10 at 4:26am
Question...

A particular blu ray disc has one audio track DTS-HD MA 3/2.1 (5 channel)

When I hit display on the s560 remote I see the audio track above.

It looks like my s560 is decoding this and sending it over HDMI to my receiver which
displays "LINEAR PCM 48Khz"

Is there a way to force bit stream out of the s560 so that my new receiver can do the decoding?

Thanks
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post #980 of 1348
3/27/10 at 4:43pm
This thread is more complex then it needs to be.

Captain joe no. As mentioned if your player can decode hd formats and you set it to direct, it should bitstream it, if it cant like mine (mine accepts multi channel loseless pcm)
it will decode it.

Doesnt your receiver tell you what your receiving.

All In all set the player to direct as bsislander suggested and it will decode or bitstream DTS HD and Dolby TrueHD.

I also have a ps3 and setting it to direct Im also getting loseless PCM with dolby truehd or dts hd master just like I would with a ps3.

I am curious though since I dont ever use secondary audio, is secondary audio like director commentary?
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post #981 of 1348
3/27/10 at 5:30pm
Make sure you check the audio settings on the actual DVD (not the player).
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post #982 of 1348
3/27/10 at 6:04pm
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Originally Posted by Murilo View Post

I am curious though since I dont ever use secondary audio, is secondary audio like director commentary?

Yes, only PIP Commentary.
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post #983 of 1348
3/27/10 at 6:15pm
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Originally Posted by Murilo View Post

I am curious though since I dont ever use secondary audio, is secondary audio like director commentary?

It's audio with PIP commentaries, not the standard commentaries where the track is already mixed and the commentary voice is on the soundtrack being played. Menu sounds are another type of secondary audio. SA is sound that is not part of the selected track. It's played separately and added to the output by being run through a mixer in the player.
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post #984 of 1348
3/27/10 at 6:27pm
Best way I have found to actually get secondary audio (with HD audio) is to let the player do the decoding and then send it as PCM via HDMI to the receiver.

I do not believe bitstreaming offers this.
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post #985 of 1348
3/27/10 at 8:11pm
i just picked up a samsung LN46B540 HDTV and a sony bdp-s360 .
A nd i dont know any thing about setting it up right i set up my tv and think it look good from the knowledge i got from this forum.
but there are also alot of setting in the sony bdp-s360 that i dont have a clue to set them at.

this is my set up samsung lnb46b540 - sony bdp-s360 and logitech z5500 for sound.
i have the sony bdp-360 conected to the tv useing a hdmi cable. and a opticale cable from the player to me logitech z5500 recever.

so can some one please help me get the best sound and video play back from the player thank you.
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post #986 of 1348
3/28/10 at 7:23am
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Originally Posted by billythekid2012 View Post

so can some one please help me get the best sound and video play back from the player thank you.

7 posts back for optical, auto for HDMI.
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post #987 of 1348
3/29/10 at 10:36pm
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

^^^

HERE are the proper settings for optical.

I've tried the settings...still not much of a difference...
the voices are quite low...
I have 5.1 speakers but I can only hear the middle one for the voices...
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post #988 of 1348
3/30/10 at 5:27am
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Originally Posted by alintatoc View Post

I've tried the settings...still not much of a difference...
the voices are quite low...
I have 5.1 speakers but I can only hear the middle one for the voices...

You have me worried. I looked back and see you are using a Sony 1200ES. I installed a 2400ES last week to replace a JVC RX-5060B with 5.1 speakers. I found 90% of sound from optical or coax came from the center channel. Seems we are both doing something wrong. My room is small and I did use the Sony's automatic speaker setup. I ran out of time and put the JVC back into service. I don't believe it's a S360 problem, so when I get time I'm going to the Sony STR-DA2400ES thread for help.
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post #989 of 1348
3/30/10 at 9:16am
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Originally Posted by alintatoc View Post

...I have 5.1 speakers but I can only hear the middle one for the voices...

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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

... 90% of sound from optical or coax came from the center channel...

The settings I posted will bitstream DD 5.1 and DTS over optical. Sounds like you both need to dig into your receiver settings now. Voices in the center is how 5.1 is supposed to work, so I'm not sure what the issue is. If you're certain your receiver is getting and decoding DD or DTS and surround is on, then all I can tell you is to tweak the center level until it sounds right. All the player does is send a bitstream, so all the work is done in your receiver, hence all the tweaking has to be done there.
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post #990 of 1348
4/4/10 at 9:06pm
Just rented "precious" BD version and my sony bdp-s360 says it can't read this disc. I have the latest firmware (007). Why is this?

Thanks for any info.
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