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post #31 of 524
3/4/09 at 11:43am
Hi guys!!!
My first post but I've been reading avsf for months...

Trying to decide going for the 5020 of wait then I saw the M series which seems to suit my needs perfectly...

Anyone has an idea of where to find one in eastern canada (province of Quebec)

Thanks!!!
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post #32 of 524
3/4/09 at 3:58pm
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Hi guys!!!
My first post but I've been reading avsf for months...

Trying to decide going for the 5020 of wait then I saw the M series which seems to suit my needs perfectly...

Anyone has an idea of where to find one in eastern canada (province of Quebec)

Thanks!!!

You can try emailing some of the Authorized Pioneer Dealers to see if they sell it.
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post #33 of 524
3/4/09 at 6:02pm
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Hi guys!!!
My first post but I've been reading avsf for months...

Trying to decide going for the 5020 of wait then I saw the M series which seems to suit my needs perfectly...

Anyone has an idea of where to find one in eastern canada (province of Quebec)

Thanks!!!

Go to Pioneer canada website, under Kuro TVs, enter your postal code and it will give you a list of dealers. Good luck, I am doing the same in Western Canada. Trying to figure out between 111, 104, and M...
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post #34 of 524
3/4/09 at 6:10pm
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Currently, the M is alot cheaper......like a few thousand cheaper at the moment . Its actually cheaper than the 6020 non-elite right now. Its really a no brainer if it works for your application. This of coarse is speaking about the 60" version. I dont know how the 50" plays out right now.

Wow, cool! I can only do 50", if it's that much cheaper then it's no brainer. What is the exact model called so I enquire about it?

I don't need tuner, love it to be thinner, don't need s-video/composite, might need a stand, and dont need that many audio input... the only features I *might* need are: speakers for regular TV watching, and might need more HDMI inputs. The only thing that I don't like is that it's NOT ISF calibrated, which is pretty much the defining factor between Elite/Signautre and xx20.

One last thing, since it doesn't have USB, how would you upgrade firmware on it?
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post #35 of 524
3/5/09 at 3:53am
I dont think the price advantage is there on the 50" like it is on the 60", because of the big drop recently on the 5020's. They dropped approx $1000 dollars within the last month, which made them an excellent price too. So that choice is tougher. The equivalent M model would be the KRP-500M, but like I said, the 5020 is an excellent deal right now, and I think the 111 is too if I'm not mistaken. The real deal for the 60" line right now is with the 600M.

As for firmware, I would assume you could burn to disk and do it that way. Thats how I have done my PS3.

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Wow, cool! I can only do 50", if it's that much cheaper then it's no brainer. What is the exact model called so I enquire about it?

I don't need tuner, love it to be thinner, don't need s-video/composite, might need a stand, and dont need that many audio input... the only features I *might* need are: speakers for regular TV watching, and might need more HDMI inputs. The only thing that I don't like is that it's NOT ISF calibrated, which is pretty much the defining factor between Elite/Signautre and xx20.

One last thing, since it doesn't have USB, how would you upgrade firmware on it?
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post #36 of 524
3/5/09 at 5:49am
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Wow, cool! I can only do 50", if it's that much cheaper then it's no brainer. What is the exact model called so I enquire about it?

I don't need tuner, love it to be thinner, don't need s-video/composite, might need a stand, and dont need that many audio input... the only features I *might* need are: speakers for regular TV watching, and might need more HDMI inputs. The only thing that I don't like is that it's NOT ISF calibrated, which is pretty much the defining factor between Elite/Signautre and xx20.

One last thing, since it doesn't have USB, how would you upgrade firmware on it?

If there are any firmware upgrade ever (I highly doubt it), it can be done via RS-232 or LAN. Remember, the latest firmware upgrade issued by Pioneer is for the xx20 and 111/151 ONLY, because it is for fixing the Home Media Gallery and digital tuner program guide issues which both the KRP-500M/600M and 101/141 Signature Elite don't have.

IMHO, if you need a 50" with speakers, the 111 should be your first choice. Then the KRP-500M and 5020FD are tossed ups. You forgo connectivity on the M-series for more picture control.
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post #37 of 524
3/5/09 at 6:05am
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If there are any firmware upgrade ever (I highly doubt it), it can be done via RS-232 or LAN. Remember, the latest firmware upgrade issued by Pioneer is for the xx20 and 111/151 ONLY, because it is for fixing the Home Media Gallery and digital tuner program guide issues which both the KRP-500M/600M and 101/141 Signature Elite don't have.

IMHO, if you need a 50" with speakers, the 111 should be your first choice. Then the KRP-500M and 5020FD are tossed ups. You forgo connectivity on the M-series for more picture control.

I have a 5020, I would not recommend it if you really want more than one mode. Given the price if you need speakers, the 111 is a pretty good choice.

We still do not know if you can find use the 111/151 speakers on a 500/600M.

- Rich
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post #38 of 524
3/5/09 at 6:57am
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Anyone with the knowledge to do something similar for the European lines?

Just added the European Series A to the chart. To my surprise, there is NO sport mode in the picture selection. I thought you guys love sports too just like us, American. Football, I mean soccer, anyone .
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post #39 of 524
3/5/09 at 7:27am
Great thread: posting to subscribe

Request to sticky is noted
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post #40 of 524
3/5/09 at 9:27am
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Just added the European Series A to the chart. To my surprise, there is NO sport mode in the picture selection. I thought you guys love sports too just like us, American. Football, I mean soccer, anyone .

Well, why not add the KRP-M (outside of NA) too.

I'm not sure you want the label it KRP-M (Europe) since this Global Model is in Asia and Australia. Maybe KRP-M (Global) and put a * explaining for all Regions outside of North America.

And.... while you are at it, how about the LX5090/LX6090 (Non H), LX5090H/LX6090H and in Australia, PDPLX509A and PDPLX609A.

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post #41 of 524
3/5/09 at 10:54am
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Well, why not add the KRP-M (outside of NA) too.

I'm not sure you want the label it KRP-M (Europe) since this Global Model is in Asia and Australia. Maybe KRP-M (Global) and put a * explaining for all Regions outside of North America.

And.... while you are at it, how about the LX5090/LX6090 (Non H), LX5090H/LX6090H and in Australia, PDPLX509A and PDPLX609A.


That would be getting a little too crazy with it...lol...I personally think it should only contain North American models.
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post #42 of 524
3/5/09 at 11:21am
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Well, why not add the KRP-M (outside of NA) too.

I'm not sure you want the label it KRP-M (Europe) since this Global Model is in Asia and Australia. Maybe KRP-M (Global) and put a * explaining for all Regions outside of North America.

And.... while you are at it, how about the LX5090/LX6090 (Non H), LX5090H/LX6090H and in Australia, PDPLX509A and PDPLX609A.


According to the manual, the M-series is exactly the same across the global except no ISFccc mode in the U.S. (which it actually is in the manual but you and D-Nice said it is not.) I am thinking of changing the M-series column to reflect that. What do you think? I have not get a chance to study the LX model yet. Isn't them are the equivalent of the 8G Panel in the U.S.?
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post #43 of 524
3/5/09 at 11:43am
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I have not get a chance to study the LX model yet. Isn't them are the equivalent of the 8G Panel in the U.S.?

Nope: the PDP-LXs are fully 9G in all respects. I own one, so I can fill in the details, if you want to add them to the comparison chart
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post #44 of 524
3/5/09 at 12:01pm
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Nope: the PDP-LXs are fully 9G in all respects. I own one, so I can fill in the details, if you want to add them to the comparison chart

That will be very helpful if you can fill in the details so I don't have to spend couple hours studying those manuals. Thanks.
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post #45 of 524
3/5/09 at 12:17pm
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According to the manual, the M-series is exactly the same across the global except no ISFccc mode in the U.S. (which it actually is in the manual but you and D-Nice said it is not.) I am thinking of changing the M-series column to reflect that. What do you think? I have not get a chance to study the LX model yet. Isn't them are the equivalent of the 8G Panel in the U.S.?

Here's what I have learned from a Pioneer display specialist.

1) 1 year commercial warranty
2) Only 2 HDMI inputs
3) Speaker outputs, but will not work with Elite speakers. Two reasons, first, only 9Watts output and the Pioneer and Pioneer Elite speakers need more power. Second is they do not mount properly.
4) No ISFccc interface
5) Normal Pioneer glass, not Elite

-Robert
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post #46 of 524
3/5/09 at 1:01pm
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4) No ISFccc interface
5) Normal Pioneer glass, not Elite

It sucks the big one every time I see the lack of ISFccc, but I bought it assuming it wont have it anyways

Now, what exactly does the elite glass provide again? Is it just for better reflection handling, or does it also provide better black levels?

Thanks for the info!
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post #47 of 524
3/5/09 at 1:17pm
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5) Normal Pioneer glass, not Elite

-Robert

So what precisely IS the difference between Elite and non-Elite glass? Is it just the anti-reflective coating? I've never seen an Elite in person, but the non-Elite had significantly less glare than neighboring sets when I saw it at Best Buy...
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post #48 of 524
3/5/09 at 1:18pm
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Now, what exactly does the elite glass provide again? Is it just for better reflection handling, or does it also provide better black levels?

Thanks for the info!

I believe it's just a better color filter. The blacks are essentially the same on both the non-Elite and Elite, but the Elite IMO does have a slightly better shadow detail.
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post #49 of 524
3/5/09 at 1:20pm
I see you already have details for the LX models They're all ISF calibration ready, the rest is accurate.
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post #50 of 524
3/5/09 at 1:26pm
Yes the 5090/6090 have isf Night, isf Day (2 Per Input) and the 5090H/6090H have isf Night, isf Day, isf Auto (3 Per Input).
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post #51 of 524
3/5/09 at 1:52pm
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Yes the 5090/6090 have isf Night, isf Day (2 Per Input) and the 5090H/6090H have isf Night, isf Day, isf Auto (3 Per Input).

Got It.
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post #52 of 524
3/5/09 at 8:25pm
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Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer View Post

Here's what I have learned from a Pioneer display specialist.

1) 1 year commercial warranty
2) Only 2 HDMI inputs
3) Speaker outputs, but will not work with Elite speakers. Two reasons, first, only 9Watts output and the Pioneer and Pioneer Elite speakers need more power. Second is they do not mount properly.
4) No ISFccc interface
5) Normal Pioneer glass, not Elite

-Robert

This conflicting information is amazing.
How is this a commercial panel?

I will probably order 1 tomorrow and have it next week.
Since I have a 5020, I think I can definitively answer 3, 4, and 5

- Rich
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post #53 of 524
3/6/09 at 12:20am
Two questions:
One of the "Authorized" dealer stores (4th from the bottom of Pioneer's Authorized online store link) mentions the PRO-111FD has a cablecard slot. I assume this is incorrect. Looking through the manuals/web it appears the previous version (8G) may have had a slot (and also a Program Guide). 9G does not have this correct?

A review site also indicated "picture-in-picture" functionality. I have not heard this referenced before. How is this handled? All internal or by different inputs? Is it available on Elite and xx20? The monitor versions?

From ELITE user manual:
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The multi-screen function is unavailable when viewing source from a single input or from two external input
sources.

Doesn't make any sense to me. Unless it means only the tuner - therefore no monitor support?

OK maybe more than two questions
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post #54 of 524
3/6/09 at 3:56am
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This conflicting information is amazing.
How is this a commercial panel?

I will probably order 1 tomorrow and have it next week.
Since I have a 5020, I think I can definitively answer 3, 4, and 5

- Rich

I think there is someone that might be getting theirs today as well hopefully, that could finalize some of this stuff for good . I just got my shipment email, but it had a range on the estimated delivery of 3/10-3/17....lol....WTF is that....lol...using Pilotair. Yeah, I will just make sure I am home on all those days just in case it shows up. No need to work or anything
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post #55 of 524
3/6/09 at 5:28am
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I think there is someone that might be getting theirs today as well hopefully, that could finalize some of this stuff for good . I just got my shipment email, but it had a range on the estimated delivery of 3/10-3/17....lol....WTF is that....lol...using Pilotair. Yeah, I will just make sure I am home on all those days just in case it shows up. No need to work or anything

Congratulations.
I sure hope that goat cart isn't too rough on it

- Rich
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post #56 of 524
3/6/09 at 5:37am
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Two questions:
One of the "Authorized" dealer stores (4th from the bottom of Pioneer's Authorized online store link) mentions the PRO-111FD has a cablecard slot. I assume this is incorrect. Looking through the manuals/web it appears the previous version (8G) may have had a slot (and also a Program Guide). 9G does not have this correct?

A review site also indicated "picture-in-picture" functionality. I have not heard this referenced before. How is this handled? All internal or by different inputs? Is it available on Elite and xx20? The monitor versions?

From ELITE user manual:

Doesn't make any sense to me. Unless it means only the tuner - therefore no monitor support?

OK maybe more than two questions

1, The 111/151 have NO cable card slot but they have the Program Guide if you use the Digital Tuner via Antenna input.

2, All models have PIP functions. However, my understanding of the PIP mode is you have to mix 1 digital source (HDMI) with an analogy source (Component).
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post #57 of 524
3/6/09 at 5:50am
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2, All models have PIP functions. However, my understanding of the PIP mode is you have to mix 1 digital source (HDMI) with an analogy source (Component).

I am almost sure that this is not true for the 101/141. I think I recall some discussion of that fact in the 141 owners thread. I believe this is also noted in the manual for those displays.

I wonder if the same holds true for the 500M/600M? I haven't read the manual carefully to see.
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post #58 of 524
3/6/09 at 5:58am
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post #59 of 524
3/6/09 at 8:48am
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I am almost sure that this is not true for the 101/141. I think I recall some discussion of that fact in the 141 owners thread. I believe this is also noted in the manual for those displays.

I wonder if the same holds true for the 500M/600M? I haven't read the manual carefully to see.

I am not sure what you are referring to is not true but direct quote from the Owner's Operation Manual of the Pro-141FD, page 44 & KRP-600M, page 48:
"The multi-screen function is unavailable when viewing source from a single input or from two analog or digital input sources."

Or

Pro-151FD, page 70 and PDP-6020FD, page 62
"The multi-screen function is unavailable when viewing source from a single input or from two external input sources."
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post #60 of 524
3/6/09 at 11:22am
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I am not sure what you are referring to is not true but direct quote from the Owner's Operation Manual of the Pro-141FD, page 44 & KRP-600M, page 48:
"The multi-screen function is unavailable when viewing source from a single input or from two analog or digital input sources."

Or

Pro-151FD, page 70 and PDP-6020FD, page 62
"The multi-screen function is unavailable when viewing source from a single input or from two external input sources."

Ah, ok. My mistake then, sorry. I guess I was remembering the fact that while the 141 can (obviously, since it has no tuner) have both PIP sources be external, the 151 has to have the internal tuner as one of the sources for PIP.

This does remain a subtle advantage that the 141 (and 600M) have over the 151 though.
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