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post #391 of 524
Does anyone know of suppliers who include the stand with the 600M? I have seen that posted on another web site. Long term I wouldn't need a stand but for a few months I would.

Also doesn anyone know what the difference is with this model? Pioneer KURO KRP-600MPK 60" Plasma TV
post #392 of 524
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Originally Posted by colonel7 View Post

Does anyone know of suppliers who include the stand with the 600M?

What do you mean "include"?
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Also doesn anyone know what the difference is with this model? Pioneer KURO KRP-600MPK 60" Plasma TV

The consensus seems to be that the people with that part number added the PK to indicate it's a package with items other than the 600M. Expensive items.

Although I asked for clarification above I'd suggest moving this conversation to a more appropriate thread.
post #393 of 524
So... what's the status of Kuro 9Gs in general? It was supposed to be out of stock like 3-4months ago... but it looks like it can still be sourced out.

Is Pioneer still making these? What's their future plans?
post #394 of 524
i searched forever to find a pro-111fd.
i heard the 141's and 151's are still available as well as the 500m.

While were on the topic, anyone want to buy a pro-111fd off me ?
msg me if your interested.
post #395 of 524
I just bought the stand direct from Pioneer's website yesterday if that helps.
post #396 of 524
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Originally Posted by Remluf View Post

i searched forever to find a pro-111fd.
i heard the 141's and 151's are still available as well as the 500m.

While were on the topic, anyone want to buy a pro-111fd off me ?
msg me if your interested.

Why are you selling the 111?
post #397 of 524
Hi:
I am trying to move from a very old sony CRT TV to a 1080P plasma TV. I am looking at 50" Panasonic G10, V10 and Pioneer Kuro 500.

Vanns has the 500 for $2000 and Cleveland Plasma has the 500M for $2200. What is the difference between Kuro 500 and 500M? I see a lot mention here the 500M, but no 500. Are they the same TV?

By the way, is Kuro 500(M) still better than the new Panasonic V10?
post #398 of 524
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Originally Posted by VidPro View Post

Why are you selling the 111?

I'm also selling one of my 111FDs and a 1150HD. Reason... don't need them anymore.
post #399 of 524
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

I'm also selling one of my 111FDs and a 1150HD. Reason... don't need them anymore.

Well that is a good reason. My question was to find out if he's selling to replace with a 500M. Is it really worth the hassle?
post #400 of 524
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Originally Posted by robinhood65 View Post

...I see a lot mention here the 500M, but no 500. Are they the same TV?

The KRP-500 models are KRP-500M for North America, and KRP-500A for Europe. There is no "KRP-500". I'm sure that is supposed to be the KRP-500M...
post #401 of 524
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

I'm also selling one of my 111FDs ~ don't need them anymore.



Something to do with liking KRP-M's?
post #402 of 524
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post



Something to do with liking KRP-M's?

Hmmm, not really. I'm not going to replace that 111FD with a 500M. Its time to go larger and smaller at the same time
post #403 of 524
Is that 111FD a personally signed with gold ink/D-Nice Signature series?
post #404 of 524
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

Is that 111FD a personally signed with gold ink/D-Nice Signature series?

Nope, but they both come fully calibrated... including the ISFccc modes
post #405 of 524
The 500 that Vanns has... yea thats the 500m. I would go with that.
Vidpro, thats exactly why i was looking to sell the 111fd. if i dont get any bites i plan to keep it.
Is it worth the trouble... hard to say. i am sure i will be content either way... just wanted to see if the opportunity was there.
The panasonic G series is a nice line... but the V blows it away based on the additional features it offers. Totally worth the increase in money.
Kuro's vs. V10 series... I heard the blacks are better on Kuro's but detail in dark scenes could be better on the V10's. If you can't get your hands on a Pioneer the V10's are the way to go. Of course when i mention the Kuro's in this regard i am specifically talking about the 111,101,500m,600m etc.
5020 vs. V10... V10 wins in my opinion.
post #406 of 524
You should do well with the 111's since they are way gone from Pioneer and there is a market for it because of tuner etc. Trust me I know.
Yes D-NICE and your 1150 as well
post #407 of 524
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Originally Posted by Remluf View Post

The 500 that Vanns has... yea thats the 500m. I would go with that.
Vidpro, thats exactly why i was looking to sell the 111fd. if i dont get any bites i plan to keep it.
Is it worth the trouble... hard to say. i am sure i will be content either way... just wanted to see if the opportunity was there.
The panasonic G series is a nice line... but the V blows it away based on the additional features it offers. Totally worth the increase in money.
Kuro's vs. V10 series... I heard the blacks are better on Kuro's but detail in dark scenes could be better on the V10's. If you can't get your hands on a Pioneer the V10's are the way to go. Of course when i mention the Kuro's in this regard i am specifically talking about the 111,101,500m,600m etc.
5020 vs. V10... V10 wins in my opinion.

Good luck. If it works out I'd like to hear your impressions. To be honest I don't know what to believe other than I have a 111 without any dead pixels and no DSE. Do I want to take a chance selling and ending up with a problem unit is the real issue for me. If we were talking perfection I'd give it a shot.
post #408 of 524
totally off subject...
but has anyone had any experience with Panamax M4300-PM power conditioners/ surge protect. i am considering buying one ... if nothing else, to consolidate outlets and have a front face outlet.
worth the money ?
opinions ?
i'm all ears.
post #409 of 524
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Originally Posted by Remluf View Post

totally off subject...
but has anyone had any experience with Panamax M4300-PM power conditioners/ surge protect. i am considering buying one ... if nothing else, to consolidate outlets and have a front face outlet.
worth the money ?
opinions ?
i'm all ears.

I would like to know if the PANAMAX M4300-PM is worth the cashola
post #410 of 524
Well,
after much consideration i decided to return the 111fd back to BestBuy. My original intent was to get the best display for my money and thus i went with the 500m as i could not find any reliable sources to purchase a 101fd.
Frankly, if i had found a reliable reseller of the 101fd i am not sure if i would have gone with it. The hand picked glass and additional ports would have been nice for bragging rights and easy connectivity... but i am not sure if i could be convinced to spend the additional funds. TV should arrive sometime next week if all goes as planned.
post #411 of 524
I wish I could see a 500M in person. I don't want to go through all the trouble of moving my 111 without seeing the difference. Good luck with the 500M.
post #412 of 524
Since many european AV enthusiasts and Kuro owners are using the AVS Forum as a source of information, i think it is useful to publish the information i received yesterday from a german Pioneer Assistant Manager in a phone conversation.

As a consequence of a discussion in a big german AVForum, i sent an e-mail to Pioneer Germany with two technical questions.
The first one was about any differences between the KRP-600 and KRP-500 in relation to the AR-Filter.
Although it was clear to me that there are no differences, except the size, i wanted a final clarification due to a statement by a user in a big german AVForum, who vehemently argued the opposite.
Answer was like i expected, except of the size there are no differences.

After my mail has been forwarded to higher levels of competence, i received an e-mail from a Pioneer Assistant Manager with his phone number and the request to contact him, or to send him my phone number so that he can contact me.

Here is a screenshot of the mail i received from the Pioneer Assistant Manager, with an invitation to contact him by phone and to dicuss the questions i mailed to Pioneer Germany.
I know the vast majority of the AVS members is not able to read and understand the german language, but i will attach it anyway, so at least the people with knowledge of the german language can see that I do not talk BS.


What's maybe more interesting to you, during the conversation i also asked him, if it is correct that the european KRP-500A and KRP-500M and the NA KRP-500M and Pro-101FD are using 10G Tech in form of different driver software and pdp modules and because of that, do have a even lower idle luminance than any other 9G Kuro.
I explained to him, that this has been confirmed by professional calibrators of the largest U.S. AV forum.

He confirmed to me that this is correct, but for the european market only for the KRP-500 models which were produced until december 2008.
The european KRP-500 and the NA KRP-500M and Pro-101FD Signature Elite do have different driver software and PDP modules, than any other 9G Kuro.
According to the official statement of the Pioneer Assistant Manager, comparable with the BIOS software of computers/mainboards, a new driver software based on 10G Know How.
Thus they have achieved a further reduction in idle luminance.
He added , for european KRP-500 models this applies only to the models produced in 2008.
The european KRP-500 models from 2009 do have again the same driver software, like the european KRP-600 models.
In addition he mentioned, that this was also not a uncommon practice for older Kuro models, to improve them subsequently if possible.

The quintessence is of course nothing new for AVS members, but i thought the fact that this benefit is limitated, in relation to the european KRP-500, exclusively to KRP-500 units which were manufactured in 2008, could be an interesting aditional information for you, especially for the AVS members from Europe.
It is important to note that this statement (only in 2008 produced KRP-500 models do have the new driver software) is only valid for the european KRP-500 models.
NA KRP-500M and Pro-101FD is a totally different story, the information of this benefit limitation to the 2008 european KRP-500 is only secured to models that were manufactured in Europe.
I have no information about the situation with the NA KRP-500M and Pro-101FD, which were manufactured in different factorys and which are outside of the competence of the german Pioneer Assistant Manager i talked with and are outside the decisions made by Pioneer Europe.
He only said that the NA models (KRP-500M and Pro-101FD) also have different driver software and PDPmodule (same like 2008 european KRP-500), than any other 9G Kuro implemented, with the effect of a lower idle luminance.
The restriction, that only the 2008 european KRP-500 models benefit from 10G know how in form of revised driver software and module and not the european KRP-500 which were produced in 2009, has only be confirmed for the european market.
It cannot be inferred from this statement, that this limitation also applies for the NA market.
I have not specifically asked him why Pioneer Europe has made the improvements undone in 2009, probably because i own one of the first european KRP-500A and was just happy it was implemented in my KRP-500A.
However, he also told me that especially in Germany the sales figures were very low, therefore i can imagine the decision was based on money savings, but that is speculation on my part now.
Anyway, the question about the reason for undoing the improvements in 2009 to the european market, crossed my mind hours after finishing the conversation.

Greetings from Germany and apologies for my imperfect knowledge of the english language.
post #413 of 524
can anyone confirm that this is true for the 2009 101/500m for North America? Or do both the 2008/2009 pro 101/500m's have the exact same components?
post #414 of 524
2008 and 2009 NA KRP-500Ms are identical.
post #415 of 524
First time poster here.
I've been looking for a 500M for the last couple of weeks.No 500M here in Canada and the PRO-101FD was too expensive (MSRP $CAN 5500).
Finally found a US store who would ship to Toronto and the price was excellent.
I was about to finalize my purchase when I found out that Pioneer Canada has 101FD on clearance.
Today I went to the nearest authorized Pioneer retailer and got myself a brand new PRO-101FD for $CAN 2550.00+Tax (~$US 2350).
The fact that I was getting ,

1-Three year Pioneer warranty (Elite series has a 3 year warranty in Canada) as compared to none for 500M (no Canadian warranty).
2-No import duties.
3-No fee for ISFccc patch
4-No shipping fee
5-Better connectivity
6-No need to buy EW
7-Better glass
8-More break in
(Did I miss anything?LOL)
They all made the decision making much easier.
post #416 of 524
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Originally Posted by Nitol View Post

First time poster here.
I've been looking for a 500M for the last couple of weeks.No 500M here in Canada and the PRO-101FD was too expensive (MSRP $CAN 5500).
Finally found a US store who would ship to Toronto and the price was excellent.
I was about to finalize my purchase when I found out that Pioneer Canada has 101FD on clearance.
Today I went to the nearest authorized Pioneer retailer and got myself a brand new PRO-101FD for $CAN 2550.00+Tax (~$US 2350).
The fact that I was getting ,

1-Three year Pioneer warranty (Elite series has a 3 year warranty in Canada) as compared to none for 500M (no Canadian warranty).
2-No import duties.
3-No fee for ISFccc patch
4-No shipping fee
5-Better connectivity
6-No need to buy EW
7-Better glass
8-More break in
(Did I miss anything?LOL)
They all made the decision making much easier.

OUCH!!! are you kidding!!!

I thought I got a great deal when I bought a 111FD at like 20% off was a good deal!

YOU DID THE RIGHT THING, ABSOLUTELY THE BEST PRICE in Canada, EVER!!!

PM me the store, I may wanna buy one for my parents!
post #417 of 524
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Originally Posted by Remluf View Post

Well,
after much consideration i decided to return the 111fd back to BestBuy. My original intent was to get the best display for my money and thus i went with the 500m as i could not find any reliable sources to purchase a 101fd.
Frankly, if i had found a reliable reseller of the 101fd i am not sure if i would have gone with it. The hand picked glass and additional ports would have been nice for bragging rights and easy connectivity... but i am not sure if i could be convinced to spend the additional funds. TV should arrive sometime next week if all goes as planned.

and how or why you thought 500m is better than 111fd? were you able to SEE any difference in the picture?
post #418 of 524
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Originally Posted by Nitol View Post

Today I went to the nearest authorized Pioneer retailer and got myself a brand new PRO-101FD

Welcome to AVS and congratulations on your new Kuro.
post #419 of 524
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Originally Posted by alexb76 View Post

and how or why you thought 500m is better than 111fd? were you able to SEE any difference in the picture?

The OP didn't best display where the difference was seen. The requirement was "best display for my money". Given typical pricing the 500M easily beats the 101FD which were the two choices mentioned.

People who have spent a lot of time looking at a lot of Kuros say the 101FD/500M panels do have better PQ when viewed side by side against other 9G panels.
post #420 of 524
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

The OP didn't best display where the difference was seen. The requirement was "best display for my money". Given typical pricing the 500M easily beats the 101FD which were the two choices mentioned.

People who have spent a lot of time looking at a lot of Kuros say the 101FD/500M panels do have better PQ when viewed side by side against other 9G panels.

Absolutely subjective... not much difference can be seen with naked eye.

Also, as for best display for money, 111fd has a lot more features, better frame, and at discount prices a much better value (in general), whether or not those features provide value to OP is another issue.
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