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post #61 of 524
3/6/09 at 1:06pm
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i'd love to see some maximum brightness levels for the various sets/picture modes.

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post #62 of 524
3/6/09 at 1:13pm
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If someone can provide me the maximum brightness level information either via PM or posting here, I am very happy to include them.
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post #63 of 524
3/6/09 at 10:01pm
I can't find "Dynamic" on my 111 like the chart says I should.

Scotty
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post #64 of 524
3/7/09 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by alexb76 View Post

Go to Pioneer canada website, under Kuro TVs, enter your postal code and it will give you a list of dealers. Good luck, I am doing the same in Western Canada. Trying to figure out between 111, 104, and M...

Any luck with this in Western Canada. I am there also, and am interested in this display.
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post #65 of 524
3/7/09 at 6:28pm
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I can't find "Dynamic" on my 111 like the chart says I should.

Scotty

You are correct. I was assuming the 111 and 151 are exactly the same except for the size. After studying the manual of 111, I have updated the chart accordingly. Thank you for your input.
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post #66 of 524
3/7/09 at 10:13pm
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Originally Posted by SoSo View Post

You are correct. I was assuming the 111 and 151 are exactly the same except for the size. After studying the manual of 111, I have updated the chart accordingly. Thank you for your input.

You're welcome, keep up the good work!

Scotty
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post #67 of 524
3/9/09 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by Roberto View Post

So what precisely IS the difference between Elite and non-Elite glass? Is it just the anti-reflective coating? I've never seen an Elite in person, but the non-Elite had significantly less glare than neighboring sets when I saw it at Best Buy...

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I believe it's just a better color filter. The blacks are essentially the same on both the non-Elite and Elite, but the Elite IMO does have a slightly better shadow detail.

KRP-M's are using totally same filter as Elite.

Sig Elite panel is hand-picked at factory, and uses duly selected glass.

(Elite is specifically uses the best performance glass for all of aspect of
picture quality with factory certification/signature)
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post #68 of 524
3/9/09 at 11:44am
I just got my 500M and it is less reflective so, yes, it looks like the eilte filter.

- Rich
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post #69 of 524
3/9/09 at 11:49am
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I just got my 500M and it is less reflective so, yes, it looks like the eilte filter.

- Rich

Congratulation, RichB. That's another awesome news. (AlexInvision claims he knows the code to turn on ISFccc mode on the M-series.) What about speakers? Does the Elite one fit?
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post #70 of 524
3/9/09 at 2:11pm
Thats awesome news indeed, as long as he is willing to share it with everyone or at least calibrators. I truely hope it is not only for people that buy from him. I will be very hesitant to pay for any type of calibration now without it being enabled, knowing that it is available by code. Hmmm.....


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AlexInvision claims he knows the code to turn on ISFccc mode on the M-series.
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post #71 of 524
3/9/09 at 5:39pm
Anyone knows if 5020 speaker fits under the Elite 111 and can be connected? I like to maintain speakers but my space is not wide enough for the Elite speakers, so was wondering if 5020 speakers might fit (if I could actually find one!).
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post #72 of 524
3/9/09 at 5:46pm
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Originally Posted by alexb76 View Post

Anyone knows if 5020 speaker fits under the Elite 111 and can be connected? I like to maintain speakers but my space is not wide enough for the Elite speakers, so was wondering if 5020 speakers might fit (if I could actually find one!).

If you're talking about fitting it on the standard Elite 111 tabletop base - No, it won't fit. The 111 sits a few inches lower on its stand because it doesn't need to accommodate the speaker underneath the way the 5020 does.
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post #73 of 524
3/9/09 at 6:04pm
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Originally Posted by Tom V View Post

If you're talking about fitting it on the standard Elite 111 tabletop base - No, it won't fit. The 111 sits a few inches lower on its stand because it doesn't need to accommodate the speaker underneath the way the 5020 does.

What if it's mounted?
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post #74 of 524
3/9/09 at 6:40pm
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Originally Posted by SoSo View Post

Congratulation, RichB. That's another awesome news. (AlexInvision claims he knows the code to turn on ISFccc mode on the M-series.) What about speakers? Does the Elite one fit?

Good news about the ISF codes. I thought it would turn out to be there.

Concerning Elite speakers, the holes look to be in the right place but the 500M is about an inch less so if you flush mounted them they would be too far forward. However, if you get some stand-offs and longer bolts, it should be just fine. The trouble is, where the H*ll can I find 111 speakers. There are none on Ebay!

- Rich
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post #75 of 524
3/9/09 at 10:48pm
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What if it's mounted?

If the 111 is mounted? I guess then if there was a way to separately secure the 5020 speaker on some part of that mount, or to (a wall?) under the 111 - sure.

If you're talking about attaching the 5020 speaker to the 111 itself while the 111 is mounted on some kind of apparatus - it looks to me like the threaded holes for the proper brackets are in the back of the 111 to hang the 5020 speaker. Double-check with someone who's done that though!

Just how are you mounting the Elite?

P.S. IF the 5020 speaker can be attached, and you find one - Looks like you should contact "RichB" as it seems he's hunting for 111 speakers.

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post #76 of 524
3/10/09 at 12:04am
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If the 111 is mounted? I guess then if there was a way to separately secure the 5020 speaker on some part of that mount, or to (a wall?) under the 111 - sure.

If you're talking about attaching the 5020 speaker to the 111 itself while the 111 is mounted on some kind of apparatus - it looks to me like the threaded holes for the proper brackets are in the back of the 111 to hang the 5020 speaker. Double-check with someone who's done that though!

Just how are you mounting the Elite?

P.S. IF the 5020 speaker can be attached, and you find one - Looks like you should contact "RichB" as it seems he's hunting for 111 speakers.

...TV

Yes, if I have 111 or M mounted on a wall, or a hanging on a Sanus stand? Does it have the holes to attach 5020 speakers?

I will try RichB.
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post #77 of 524
3/10/09 at 6:16am
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Yes, if I have 111 or M mounted on a wall, or a hanging on a Sanus stand? Does it have the holes to attach 5020 speakers?

I will try RichB.

It has the side holes and I looks like they are in the correct position.
However, it does not have the center holes so it would not be as secure.

Also, the speaker is deeper, so you would have to add spacers and use longer bolts on the side to flush mount.

- Rich
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post #78 of 524
3/10/09 at 8:42am
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It has the side holes and I looks like they are in the correct position.
However, it does not have the center holes so it would not be as secure.

Also, the speaker is deeper, so you would have to add spacers and use longer bolts on the side to flush mount.

- Rich

The 111 has two screw holes at the bottom/center which would appear to be for the center hanging "T"bracket on the 5020 speaker. Only looking at my 111 and the dimension diagrams of both sets, so not positive. The 5020 diagram looks like there are three screws in the top of the "T" but can't tell if that center hole is for a mounting screw or just an existing screw holding the back panel to the interior frame.

Any way you can look at a 111 and 5020 side by side? Rich does seem to have been through this before, so his advice is probably the way to go.
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post #79 of 524
3/11/09 at 7:26am
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Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer View Post

Here's what I have learned from a Pioneer display specialist.

1) 1 year commercial warranty
2) Only 2 HDMI inputs
3) Speaker outputs, but will not work with Elite speakers. Two reasons, first, only 9Watts output and the Pioneer and Pioneer Elite speakers need more power. Second is they do not mount properly.
4) No ISFccc interface
5) Normal Pioneer glass, not Elite

-Robert

Sorry my bad, the KPR-500M and KPR-600M have Elite color filtering and non-glare coating. They are not hand picked glass, but do have the Elite final filter and coating.

-Robert
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post #80 of 524
3/11/09 at 7:36am
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Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer View Post

Sorry my bad, the KPR-500M and KPR-600M have Elite color filtering and non-glare coating. They are not hand picked glass, but do have the Elite final filter and coating.

-Robert

No problem at all, because good news is good news and is always welcome . Now if we could just find a way to crack the firmware code to get ISFccc, we would have the best deal out there right now in the large plasma realm. Even without ISFccc, its still an awesome deal though, and IMO the best deal out there at the moment! Cant wait to get mine without cracks in it...lol...
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post #81 of 524
3/11/09 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer View Post

Sorry my bad, the KPR-500M and KPR-600M have Elite color filtering and non-glare coating. They are not hand picked glass, but do have the Elite final filter and coating.

-Robert

Chart updated accordingly. Thanks Robert.
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post #82 of 524
3/11/09 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer View Post

Sorry my bad, the KPR-500M and KPR-600M have Elite color filtering and non-glare coating. They are not hand picked glass, but do have the Elite final filter and coating.

-Robert

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Originally Posted by SoSo View Post

Chart updated accordingly. Thanks Robert.



Why wasn't the chart updated with that information in the beginning? I already posted that the KRP-M's use the same filter when we started posting about the KRP-M's.

I also re-posted this info a couple days ago in the Owner's Thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post16002248 and above on this page..


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KRP-M's are using totally same filter as Elite.

SigElite panel is hand-picked at factory, and uses duly selected glass.

(Elite is specifically uses the best performance glass for all of aspect of
picture quality with factory certification/signature)


Guys, I deal directly with Pioneer's Display Engineering, not sales or marketing in Pioneer.. That is the department with accurate technical specs and information.

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post #83 of 524
3/11/09 at 10:00am
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Hi, turbe. Sorry if I offended you or something.

First, I would like to get more confirmation than just "one" person writing on an "Internet" forum. Second, I kind of know Robert more because I had met him in person. (As well as D-Nice and Kevin Miller). Well, if your identity is confirmed by AVSForum Moderators and such, then I have no problem whatsoever.

Can the AVSForum Moderators confirm turbe's identity?

If yes, turbe, you can PM me whenever you want to modify the chart to include more accurate information.
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post #84 of 524
3/11/09 at 10:00am
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

Guys, I deal directly with Pioneer's Display Engineering, not sales or marketing in Pioneer.. That is the department with accurate technical specs and information.


This is correct.
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post #85 of 524
3/11/09 at 10:58am
lol I'm not offended, I was just a little surprised (but shouldn't be, it's the internet) that question (KRP-M filter) took up so many posts on at two Threads.

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This is correct.



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Can the AVSForum Moderators confirm turbe's identity?

D-Nice has posted, ask Kevin Miller and/or even Mark Ruban (AVS Super Moderator here) if you like..

I was also asked to put the "KRP-M's coming from Europe" rumor(s) that some Dealers were telling people to rest.. that rumor is not correct.
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post #86 of 524
3/11/09 at 11:42am
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Updated first post for rumor suppression. turbe, how do you like that?
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post #87 of 524
3/11/09 at 11:42am
turbe I can confirm you and your connections and your knowledge and YOUR controlcal
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post #88 of 524
3/11/09 at 12:40pm
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Updated first post for rumor suppression. turbe, how do you like that?



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turbe I can confirm you and your connections and your knowledge and YOUR controlcal



Personally, I wish there were Pioneers being imported in..
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post #89 of 524
3/12/09 at 5:58pm
Hi,
I don't need speakers/tuner as I am replacing my 503CMX. So the 141 seems to be the best choice. Would the 151 have a better picture even though it has speakers I wouldn't use? Your thoughts?

Do people have concerns about buying the Kuro since Pioneer is exiting the business? I love my 503CMX, but should I consider another brand?

Again the thoughts of this group???

thanks,
Steve
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post #90 of 524
3/12/09 at 6:13pm
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Originally Posted by saz25 View Post

Hi,
I don't need speakers/tuner as I am replacing my 503CMX. So the 141 seems to be the best choice. Would the 151 have a better picture even though it has speakers I wouldn't use? Your thoughts?

Do people have concerns about buying the Kuro since Pioneer is exiting the business? I love my 503CMX, but should I consider another brand?

Again the thoughts of this group???

thanks,
Steve

The internal of the 141 and the 151 should be the very best components from Pioneer. However, the 141 is actually one up the 151 because Pioneer claims the 141's plasma display panels are hand picked of the best crop of the best. It actually comes with a certificate. So if you don't need tuner, stand, and speakers (141 has no amp.), then the 141 is the king of the king.
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