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post #361 of 463
Perfect, thanks!
post #362 of 463
Hey guys sorry it took so long i have been pretty busy. The more I listen to the speakers the better they sound. I think they sound amazing.

I added some picture for you guys. I put my old center in the picture to show the size of the PA-8c. My old center was The Speaker Company TC2 center.
I know my setup isnt ideal but its just a temp setup until me and my girlfriend buy a house.
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How would you guys rate the Premier Acoustic PA-6F towers vs the Polk Monitor 60s and BIC Acoustech PL-76?
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Originally Posted by amarshonarbangla View Post
How would you guys rate the Premier Acoustic PA-6F towers vs the Polk Monitor 60s and BIC Acoustech PL-76?
Better
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Originally Posted by amarshonarbangla View Post

How would you guys rate the Premier Acoustic PA-6F towers vs the Polk Monitor 60s and BIC Acoustech PL-76?

I've had the Polk monitor 70 and the bic acoustech ht-75(not at the same time however) and would rate them:

1. PA-8f
2. M70
3. Bic

Bic being a distant third and not so much for the horn sound but the very shallow mids and the weak bass.

*I know I'm responding to a month old post, but I am bored.
post #366 of 463
I am new to the forum. I just picked up a Samsung PN64D7000 (64" Plasma) to replace my 60" LCD. I love the TV but the sound is lacking. After doing some research it appears the Premier Acoustics get the best review for "budget" surround sound. Currently I am interested in the PA-8F Home Theater System. I've read through the thread some but overall I want to know if you all would recommend the complete system versus piecing various components together. Also, what is a good receiver you would recommend that is 3D compatible?

PS. I am brain dead when it comes to home audio so please bare with me. Thanks!
post #367 of 463
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Originally Posted by Adamk13 View Post

I am new to the forum. I just picked up a Samsung PN64D7000 (64" Plasma) to replace my 60" LCD. I love the TV but the sound is lacking. After doing some research it appears the Premier Acoustics get the best review for "budget" surround sound. Currently I am interested in the PA-8F Home Theater System. I've read through the thread some but overall I want to know if you all would recommend the complete system versus piecing various components together. Also, what is a good receiver you would recommend that is 3D compatible?

PS. I am brain dead when it comes to home audio so please bare with me. Thanks!

I have the PA8F system and I would recommended it to anyone. I pieced like together with the center and fronts and then the surrounds. I think it sounds great. I just upgraded a few year old pioneer receiver to the Demon 1712 and it sounds great and better than it did then the Pioneer
post #368 of 463
Thanks for the advice.

Does anyone have recommendations for the best place to purchase these speakers? I'm not sure if it's against forum rules to post this or not.

Regarding the receiver set up: I have a PS3, Xbox360, and DirectTV box all going to the TV via HDMI. Do I need to run HDMI cables from each of these components directly into the receiver, and then run a single HDMI from the receiver to the TV (3 in and 1 out)? Or do I need a HDMI cable for each component from the receiver to the TV (3 in and 3 out)?
post #369 of 463
Hello Adam, a great place to get the PA speakers would be here.... His name is Mike
http://www.acousticsounddesign.com/b...dex.cfm?bid=77
or
Eric.... at
http://www.sounddistributors.com/pro...emier+Acoustic

About set up: ITs best to run your HDMIs thru your receiver (if you can that is) and have only one HDMI to the TV... otherwise you can run it all seperate as well but is much cleaner & easy to run to your AV then your tv
post #370 of 463
Have enjoyed reading this thread for the past couple of years,on and off. I,just recently joined AVS FORUM,and started contributing. I own the P.A. 6F SYSTEM with four towers two front and two for surrounds along with the matching P.A. 6C CENTER CHANNEL,and P.A. 120 SUB,with matching high gloss top and base,like the towers. My P.A. 6F SYSTEM is the latest titanium version in black.I have owned it since the first week of june this year (2011) and,I absolutely love it!
The system is hooked up to the
onkyo tx-nr609 receiver and sounds amazing! Just put together a new 3D home theater system,with,PANASONIC 65GT30 PLASMA HD DISPLAY. It is truly a state of the art system,it has been along time since I upgraded (1996) I am really enjoying my new home theater the picture and sound is breathtakingly beautiful. I also purchased a SONY BDP S770 BLU RAY PLAYER to complete the system.

I,probably never again will,completely replace my home theater system,like I did this year. I do not know how any of us,who took that leap of faith and pulled the trigger on the P.A. SPEAKERS could have done any better for twice the money,I,have owned far more expensive speaker systems,that did not sound as superb,or have the high quality build and elegant design,that the P.A.'s posses.


I have noticed that very few people,have posted on this thread since,
it's inception in 2007. Why is that? Is there anybody out there? B.I.C. speakers seem to receive a lot more attention,even though both,B.I.C. and P.A. are marketed,priced and sold,in very much the same fashion,and I,understand that B.I.C.has been in business since 1973,but there speaker system's and sub's are no better or worse than Premier Acoustic,just different in there design and sound quality,most speakers share that difference no matter who the manufacturer is.

Like I said earlier in this post, my PA's are,
extremely well built,look elegant,and possess state of the art audiophile sound quality,everyone of my friends and family that have seen and heard my P.A.'s have been floored,and could not believe what I paid for these speakers,and a few of them have far more money invested in there system's, than myself,especially there speakers ! Most of you do not know what you are missing ! Oh well,I suppose that's just the way it is for now !!!!
post #371 of 463
Thought I'd post pics of the Center Channel Woofers and Midrange speaker, I didn't take a pic of the tweeter.
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post #372 of 463
Here's some pics of the surrround speakers and internals.
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post #373 of 463
Thanks for the pics!
post #374 of 463
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Originally Posted by aragorn764 View Post

Thanks for the pics!

I just don't get it, what kind of thread is this? Does anyone own,these high quality,state of the art speakers,anyone? Other than the few of us who have been posting,since we became official members! JUST CURIOUS !!!! Hello! Hello! can you here me? Is there any body out there ???? Two year's and only 38 pages!! What gives people????
post #375 of 463
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Originally Posted by luckyman777go View Post
I just don't get it, what kind of thread is this? Does anyone own,these high quality,state of the art speakers,anyone? Other than the few of us who have been posting,since we became official members! JUST CURIOUS !!!! Hello! Hello! can you here me? Is there any body out there ???? Two year's and only 38 pages!! What gives people????
I've been checking this thread and the BIC thread for the past 2-3 years. I don't own either set. I check threads like this one, to get user reviews, see if everyone's happy with their purchase, and then move on. When it's time to upgrade, Premier is at the top of my list.

I don't really see a need for anyone to sit here and post page after page about how much they love their HT setup. As stated, I use this site for research before buying any HT product. Then, if I have tech/setup problems with my purchase, I come here and post.

Less pages usually means less questions asked, therefore less problems. It's not a bad thing.
post #376 of 463
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Originally Posted by Radio81 View Post


I've been checking this thread and the BIC thread for the past 2-3 years. I don't own either set. I check threads like this one, to get user reviews, see if everyone's happy with their purchase, and then move on. When it's time to upgrade, Premier is at the top of my list.

I don't really see a need for anyone to sit here and post page after page about how much they love their HT setup. As stated, I use this site for research before buying any HT product. Then, if I have tech/setup problems with my purchase, I come here and post.

Less pages usually means less questions asked, therefore less problems. It's not a bad thing.

You have a very good point,but,on the other hand,I would think,that if you are satisfied with your choice of gear and,it surprisingly,far exceeds your expectations,especially when you consider what you paid for it, that on occasion, you would want to share that positive experience with others,these forums are also a good place to voice the positives!!

I am so impressed with my new P.A.s, and H.T. system, that I have felt compelled to let others know, who may be contemplating purchasing new more affordable quality gear, whether they are upgrading, or, piecing together there first system!






I,was on the fence for a minute,until I did some serious research,that included reading a ton of post on forum's like this one.



My last home theatre system purchased in, (1996)
cost nearly three times as much,as,the new one,I just replaced it with, in june,of this year,(2011) and,my previous H.T. couldn't hold a candle to my new one,in overall sound and picture quality performance,nor,in it's design and build.



And that amazes me!!!!
post #377 of 463
I am definitely going to get the sub, the 2 towers, and the center channel. However, my house has prewired surround in the ceiling (3 in front, 3 in back). The Premier surround speakers don't look ceiling mount friendly. Does anyone have any recommendations on piecing this system together or should I have the wires moved to come out of the wall and put the speakers in the back.

Any help is appreciated.
post #378 of 463
Just looking in and reporting my 6 PA-8f's are still looking good and sounding great after 3 years. I love it when people come into my living room and see 6 towers sitting on 6 subwoofers. Ahhhh the single life. Little do they know only 2 subs are hooked up. But sounds like they all are. These speakers are well worth the money.
Good to see people are still looking at there options, although I don't see one myself.
post #379 of 463
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Originally Posted by zippo775 View Post

Just looking in and reporting my 6 PA-8f's are still looking good and sounding great after 3 years. I love it when people come into my living room and see 6 towers sitting on 6 subwoofers. Ahhhh the single life. Little do they know only 2 subs are hooked up. But sounds like they all are. These speakers are well worth the money.

Sounds way over the top! I I think I'd like to see a pic or two of this!
post #380 of 463
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Originally Posted by tsantanni View Post

Sounds way over the top! I I think I'd like to see a pic or two of this!

I,agree 100% it is way over the top! he should post some,pic's. I would really like to see that setup!!!!
post #381 of 463
I am the process of piecing together a 5.1 sound system. Previously, my listening consisted of a 3G IPOD, so this purchase is a big jump for me. I've been toiling over which speakers to get, but unfortunately I had a somewhat limited budget to work with. After exploring the several entry level HiFi speakers such as the Klipsch Rf-60 and Polk Rti-7A, I wasn't completely sold on the sound quality of either or the somewhat high price. The front Polk and Klipsch speakers alone without tax are pushing $1000 per pair, and I was hoping to spend less than $1,800 for all speakers , cables and assorted accoutrements. I considered a speaker package from EMP, but they retailed for more money than I wanted to spend. I also read mixed reviews about EMP speakers too.

My total system is basic and consists of a Samsung PDP8000 Plasma, Denon 3312ci AVR, Oppo 93 Blu Ray and an APC H15 power conditioner, which is probably the best built item I bought recently. I have a 15 year old B&K 202 amp and B&K 105 preamp. I am thinking of using the B&K for the front speaker towers, and let Denon power the rest. I haven't had a chance to hook anything up yet, so this review is just on the speaker's appearance and perceived build quality. FYI: I haven't hooked the TV up yet so I can't comment on the screen peeling issue that seems so pervasive with SAMSUNG.

While exploring the AVS forum I came across a thread about BIC America and Premier Acoustics speakers. They both seem to fill a need in the budget challenged consumer. After some thought, I decided to purchase the Premier Acoustics PA-8F 5.1 speaker package for a shipped cost of about $1250. I based my opinion on reading numerous threads on this forum and others about the pros and cons before purchasing. I had a pretty good idea what I was getting into, meaning my expectations were consistent with the low purchase price.

Shipping/ReceivingThe packages were shipped UPS and arrived to my door on schedule. To be frank, the white and blue boxes look private label and arrived roughed up a bit. The subwoofer box had a big 10 inch cut on the side. Okay, I don't blame Sound Distributors for the condition of the boxes, as I know UPS bounced them from truck to warehouse to truck for 2000 miles. Fortunately, in spite of the exterior condition of the boxes and to my surprise the speakers arrived basically flawless. I could not detect any dents, nicks, chips or scratches on any of them. The speaker package came with the PA-15 sub, which weighs about 87 lbs., I had to use a moving dolly to haul it in from my garage into my den. The boxes are large, thick and heavy and take up a lot of space.

Build Quality I ordered the black speakers, because I didn't want them to standout and clash with the rest of the wood in my den. The actual drivers look perfect and fully aligned. Honestly, the appearance of these speakers I would rate a C+ to B-. They won't win any beauty awards, but at least visually they appear to be quite stout. The midrange and woofer drivers are made from a Polygraphite material with foam surrounds. They seem okay but are a little bit on the cheap side I think. They are not paper speakers, but you can sense some cost cutting has occurred on the speaker driver materials versus higher end brands.

All the tweeters appear to be silk. Without the grill the speakers don't look too bad. I think they look rather muscular. Though my wife thought the speakers looked better with the grill on, so it's debatable I suppose. Speaking of the grills, they are not magnetically attachable.

The twin towers seem very well built and probably weigh about 47 lbs. each. The center speaker is rather tall but robust in build and appearance. The dual 8 woofers are nice to have and should help to project a credible front channel presentation. The surround speakers also have dual 8 grey polygraphite woofers, and a silk tweeter. They are bi-direction and fairly large, tall and heavy. I think most people, unless you have a very big room, are not going to want to wall mount these speakers.

All of the speakers have seams on the rear, which I would think is not a sign of high end speakers. It doesn't bother me that much since the seams are rear facing, but you know for the price they had to cut corners somewhere. Another sign of cost cutting is the lack of any floor stands. The speakers lay flat, except the surrounds have very short feet.

The PA-150 subwoofer is a huge beast of a speaker. It looks like a baby A-bomb and it's heavy. You'll need a lot of space for it. I laughed out loud when I took it out of the box. It's really a massive black box. Picture a wet, sloppy, party bottom speaker. Well I hope not, but it looks like it belongs in a bachelor pad or frat dorm room. My wife found the size rather amusing. Your spouse or significant other may not.

Since they have no real pedigree, I can't help think that the PA speakers are White Van specials, which I learned about after purchasing, but I think more likely they are private label or contractor's grade. I think I recall Eric from Sound Distributors mentioning that they installed these speakers in expensive track homes in Las Vegas.


Miscellaneous Observationslittle documentation came with my speakers, other than a warranty card. The subwoofer included a short flier, but I didn't think that the information is very insightful or useful to a beginner.
The speaker box says the towers have a 92db sensitivity, but the included spec sheet says 89db? There is conflicting information on the box versus published elsewhere.

Strangely there is no mention of country of origin anywhere on the box or elsewhere. No doubt these speakers are built in China. The PA-8F speakers seem to me to be a knock-off the Polk TSI 500 series. This is probably a fair matchup given the relative price points.

The black lacquer hard top on the speakers, which to me is their nicest feature, shows fingerprints and dust easily, so keep a dust rag nearby.

The power cord on the PA-150 sub is short and flimsy. You cannot replace it.
The cord looks like it belongs on a kid's toy , and not on a device capable of a handling a claimed 1000 peak watts.

Overall the PA-8F speakers with 15 inch subwoofer package seems to compete okay in the under $1300 speaker market. They are definitely better built than what you would likely find at your local Best Buy,Costco or Wal-Mart, but I am not sure if they are worth the suggested retail price of $2199 price. Just keep your expectations reasonable for what you paid and you'll likely be satisfied overall with them.

Once I hook everything up, I'll post a review on the sound quality.
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Thanks for the detailed visual impressions. Look forward to your listening observations!
post #383 of 463
^ Now that's one hell of a post! I am anxiously awaiting for your impressions on the sound.
post #384 of 463
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Originally Posted by atlman View Post

I am the process of piecing together a 5.1 sound system. Previously, my listening consisted of a 3G IPOD, so this purchase is a big jump for me. I've been toiling over which speakers to get, but unfortunately I had a somewhat limited budget to work with. After exploring the several entry level HiFi speakers such as the Klipsch Rf-60 and Polk Rti-7A, I wasn't completely sold on the sound quality of either or the somewhat high price. The front Polk and Klipsch speakers alone without tax are pushing $1000 per pair, and I was hoping to spend less than $1,800 for all speakers , cables and assorted accoutrements. I considered a speaker package from EMP, but they retailed for more money than I wanted to spend. I also read mixed reviews about EMP speakers too.

My total system is basic and consists of a Samsung PDP8000 Plasma, Denon 3312ci AVR, Oppo 93 Blu Ray and an APC H15 power conditioner, which is probably the best built item I bought recently. I have a 15 year old B&K 202 amp and B&K 105 preamp. I am thinking of using the B&K for the front speaker towers, and let Denon power the rest. I haven't had a chance to hook anything up yet, so this review is just on the speaker's appearance and perceived build quality. FYI: I haven't hooked the TV up yet so I can't comment on the screen peeling issue that seems so pervasive with SAMSUNG.

While exploring the AVS forum I came across a thread about BIC America and Premier Acoustics speakers. They both seem to fill a need in the budget challenged consumer. After some thought, I decided to purchase the Premier Acoustics PA-8F 5.1 speaker package for a shipped cost of about $1250. I based my opinion on reading numerous threads on this forum and others about the pros and cons before purchasing. I had a pretty good idea what I was getting into, meaning my expectations were consistent with the low purchase price.

Shipping/ReceivingThe packages were shipped UPS and arrived to my door on schedule. To be frank, the white and blue boxes look private label and arrived roughed up a bit. The subwoofer box had a big 10 inch cut on the side. Okay, I don't blame Sound Distributors for the condition of the boxes, as I know UPS bounced them from truck to warehouse to truck for 2000 miles. Fortunately, in spite of the exterior condition of the boxes and to my surprise the speakers arrived basically flawless. I could not detect any dents, nicks, chips or scratches on any of them. The speaker package came with the PA-15 sub, which weighs about 87 lbs., I had to use a moving dolly to haul it in from my garage into my den. The boxes are large, thick and heavy and take up a lot of space.

Build Quality I ordered the black speakers, because I didn't want them to standout and clash with the rest of the wood in my den. The actual drivers look perfect and fully aligned. Honestly, the appearance of these speakers I would rate a C+ to B-. They won't win any beauty awards, but at least visually they appear to be quite stout. The midrange and woofer drivers are made from a Polygraphite material with foam surrounds. They seem okay but are a little bit on the cheap side I think. They are not paper speakers, but you can sense some cost cutting has occurred on the speaker driver materials versus higher end brands.

All the tweeters appear to be silk. Without the grill the speakers don't look too bad. I think they look rather muscular. Though my wife thought the speakers looked better with the grill on, so it's debatable I suppose. Speaking of the grills, they are not magnetically attachable.

The twin towers seem very well built and probably weigh about 47 lbs. each. The center speaker is rather tall but robust in build and appearance. The dual 8 woofers are nice to have and should help to project a credible front channel presentation. The surround speakers also have dual 8 grey polygraphite woofers, and a silk tweeter. They are bi-direction and fairly large, tall and heavy. I think most people, unless you have a very big room, are not going to want to wall mount these speakers.

All of the speakers have seams on the rear, which I would think is not a sign of high end speakers. It doesn't bother me that much since the seams are rear facing, but you know for the price they had to cut corners somewhere. Another sign of cost cutting is the lack of any floor stands. The speakers lay flat, except the surrounds have very short feet.

The PA-150 subwoofer is a huge beast of a speaker. It looks like a baby A-bomb and it's heavy. You'll need a lot of space for it. I laughed out loud when I took it out of the box. It's really a massive black box. Picture a wet, sloppy, party bottom speaker. Well I hope not, but it looks like it belongs in a bachelor pad or frat dorm room. My wife found the size rather amusing. Your spouse or significant other may not.

Since they have no real pedigree, I can't help think that the PA speakers are White Van specials, which I learned about after purchasing, but I think more likely they are private label or contractor's grade. I think I recall Eric from Sound Distributors mentioning that they installed these speakers in expensive track homes in Las Vegas.

Miscellaneous Observationslittle documentation came with my speakers, other than a warranty card. The subwoofer included a short flier, but I didn't think that the information is very insightful or useful to a beginner.
The speaker box says the towers have a 92db sensitivity, but the included spec sheet says 89db? There is conflicting information on the box versus published elsewhere.

Strangely there is no mention of country of origin anywhere on the box or elsewhere. No doubt these speakers are built in China. The PA-8F speakers seem to me to be a knock-off the Polk TSI 500 series. This is probably a fair matchup given the relative price points.

The black lacquer hard top on the speakers, which to me is their nicest feature, shows fingerprints and dust easily, so keep a dust rag nearby.

The power cord on the PA-150 sub is short and flimsy. You cannot replace it.
The cord looks like it belongs on a kid's toy , and not on a device capable of a handling a claimed 1000 peak watts.

Overall the PA-8F speakers with 15 inch subwoofer package seems to compete okay in the under $1300 speaker market. They are definitely better built than what you would likely find at your local Best Buy,Costco or Wal-Mart, but I am not sure if they are worth the suggested retail price of $2199 price. Just keep your expectations reasonable for what you paid and you'll likely be satisfied overall with them.

Once I hook everything up, I'll post a review on the sound quality.

Excellent observations!
My P.A. system came with documentation in every box,including the sub's.

The P.A.8f, sensitivity is rated at 92db, and the P.A.6f. sensitivity is rated at 89db.
The tweeters in the P.A.6f titanium series are titanium domes,not silk domes!

Do you have the 8f titanium series? it would be printed on the boxes,if you do.

I can't wait to hear your,
observations on the sound quality!
post #385 of 463
Great review sir, can't wait to see your audio review. I am on the fence now, maybe going with Polk monitor 70 II system...i''ll keep reading!
post #386 of 463
Hello peoples, I am new to the home audio,theater stuff an am hoping to get some advice. I have a few decisions to make. I am choosing between two different set ups for speakers. first up is the new pioneer speakers designed by Andrew Jones. I will be using ps-fs51 towers for fronts, sp-c21 center and another set of ps-fs51 towers for rears, then i have to find a subwoofer. I can put this together for the price of $760.00 That's including the pl-200 sub. I also came across the premier acoustics pa-8f system i can get for $999.00 i am probably going to run the denon 1912 receiver. Any thoughts and advice would be greatly appreciated.
post #387 of 463
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Originally Posted by luckyman777go View Post

I,agree 100% it is way over the top! he should post some,pic's. I would really like to see that setup!!!!

I'll post some pics in the next couple days.
post #388 of 463
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Originally Posted by aragorn764 View Post

Great review sir, can't wait to see your audio review. I am on the fence now, maybe going with Polk monitor 70 II system...i''ll keep reading!

Yes, I have the PA-8f titanium 5.1 theater system. The tweeters appear to be a silk type material on my speakers. Perhaps the titanium tweeter drivers are concealed?
I am still waiting on additional cables to hook my two front speakers up, but everything else is working fine. My first listening impressions of the Premier Acoustics surround and center channel speakers and the PA- 150, 15 inch, subwoofer is that they are not bright or forward sounding at all. I have less than 3 hours on the speakers, so they are not broken in by any means.

The sound stage is not very detailed or deep, but bare in mind that I am missing the front two speakers. Even brand new, right out of the box, the PA's sound somewhat warm or neutral to me. Midrange is decent and credible on the PA-8c center channel speaker.

I have not dialed in the Denon 3312ci AVR yet, so the sound quality is not optimized. That said, I felt that the Polk TSI-500, RTi- 7a and RTi-12a speakers were much more forward and brighter sounding. This perception could be a function of my AVR, as the Polks I listened to were powered by an Onkyo AVR. I spent about 30 minutes listening to the Polks at a local Fry's. I'm not looking for a brighter sound necessarily, so this is not a bad thing for me. The PA-150 subwoofer is really easy to set up. I have the phase set a 0 and the crossover set at 80hrtz. Based on the hype I read about the PA-120 sub, I was expecting the PA-150 to almost blow the windows out, but it's quite tame and controlled. The PA-150 puts out a rumbly, deep sound that's not especially tight or wet and sloppy either. Perhaps it will tighten up and get louder up with age? I had the sub volume at the halfway point.

In my opinion, the Premier Acoustic speakers are not very efficient. I had to crank up the volume up to on the Denon to about -10db to get any compelling volume from them. After about 20mins of that the 3312 AVR was getting very warm to touch. My listening room is about 25 feet long, 18 feet wide and about 18 feet high. Yes, I know it's an odd shaped room, but you work with what you got.

The thing that bugs me to no end about the PA-8f series is that there is no official or third party documentation, other than what is listed in the box or Sound Distributor's web site, regarding the speaker's frequency response range and db sensitivities. I don't trust what is written on the box or the provided 1 page flier insert, which provided conflicting information, I trust my ears.

If you are looking for a very clear, highly detailed, brighter or more of in-your -face presentation you , then may want to look elsewhere. My old speakers were a pair of Vandersteen 1b's, and I'd say the PA's remind me of the Vandersteen with its warmer, open sound. As I recall, the Vandy's were not particularly sensitive either, and they really needed a dedicated amp like my B&K 202 to liven them up.

My recommendation would be to do what I plan on eventually; purchase a separate 2 or 3 channel amp with at least 150 watts, and use the receiver to power just the center and/or the surround speakers. Overall, I'm not terribly disappointed that I purchased the PA-8f speakers. They are decent sounding for the price, and I think they are a good entry level speaker for someone like me who is just getting into HT.
post #389 of 463
Wow, it's been great reading these first impressions from new owners of Premier Acoustics speakers! It seems PA is not the fly by night (white van type) speaker company that I and many others imagined it to be. PA seems to be gaining the respect of the HT community for making decent quality entry level speakers at prices just about anyone can afford. It's good to have good low cost alternative to rival companies like Polk and Klipsch. I already own PA-120 subs which provide good bass for all my needs.

I am planning to upgrade my HT speakers to better sounding, better imaging, and better detailed sound stage. I have been impressed by the favorable reviews for Premier Acoustics here.

Currently I own entry level Energy Speakers HT system. I didn't know much better back in 2006 and fell for the Energy C-series because they were reasonably priced. I also auditioned similar priced Polk and Klipsch speakers in showrooms. However I didn't like their over bearing highs which made me wish for some earplugs while I tried to listen to them. So, I got a pair of Energy mini-towers, the C-300s, which aren't however true towers, but just a simple 2-way bookshelf speaker, the C-200, built into a nice looking pedestal like box that gives the them the tower look. I fooled people for a while that I owned tower speakers. In retrospect, I should have pulled the trigger on some true towers like the C-500s, I am kicking myself in the butt now for not doing so. Also, I have the highly regarded C-C100 center along with a pair of R-C100 bipole surrounds which have truly excellent sound.

I want to get some real towers that I can actually afford. My budget limit for the speakers is $1400. I do enjoy listening to laid back, spacious sounding speakers. It sounds like the PA-8Fs meet my requirements.

People have tried to coach me into getting the Energy CF-70s and a C-C10 matching center as a suitable upgrade. However, those three alone would cost me $1300 to $1400. For just over a $1000, I can get a whole PA-8F HT system including matching bipolar surrounds.

Would the PA-8Fs be comparable in sound quality to the Energy CF-70s? The Energy CF series I am told have Kevlar cones which have superior sound reproduction compared to polygraphite cones with foam surrounds. And that's what bugs me the most is the foam surround material found in the PA-8F drivers. I may get cold feet and decide not to buy PA products because of that. But you do get what you pay for. If I want Kevlar and butyl rubber surrounds, it's going to cost more. I realize that. The C-series have some kind of heavy fiberglas speaker cones. Going to light weight Kevlar cones would definitely be an upgrade as people have tried so hard to tell me. However, I have to balance what I pay for a speaker upgrade inorder to upgrade my AVR (old Yammy V663) and my old Panasonic 40 in. plasma TV too.

Decisions! Decisions! Should I pull the trigger on a PA-8F system or not? Or, just hang on to the Energy C-series because upgrading them to better speakers is going to exceed my budget?
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Yes, the speaker foam surround is a sign of cost cutting along with the seams on the back of the speakers. When was the last time you saw seams on speakers? Kevlar is superior to Polygrahite. It’s more durable and rigid and as a result, Kevlar is probably going to be more accurate and less distortion prone. The main advantage for using Polygraphite is its lower cost. Unfortunately, the dilemma you face with a low cost speaker or any product for that matter is tradeoffs.

Another shortcut that irks me is the binding posts used on the PA-8f series speakers. You can purchase a similar binding post kit from Radio Shack. Compare the binding posts of the PA-8fa speakers to the Polk Rti-12, and you’ll see a big difference in appearance and quality. Yes, I know that the Polks retail for $799 per speaker, but you kind of get what you pay for.

I didn’t expect an audiophile grade product when I decided to purchase the PA-8f speakers, but if I did have the extra cash I would have gone in a different direction. Sucks to be me I suppose – I have high expections, limited budget, and I’m not very patient.

My advice to you would be to hold out and save up for a better speaker. I read that a good rule of thumb is to purchase speakers that cost between 2 to 3 times the cost of you AVR or amplifier. No doubt, a lot of folks just don’t have the cash or do not want to spend $3000+ on a set of speakers. You may be very happy in the end that you purchased the PA’s over the another brand or not. Unfortunately for any budding HT enthusiast this can become a very expensive hobby as the quest for sound reproduction quality is ceaseless.
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