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post #511 of 772
Yep been there a few times, But never for that long of stint!
post #512 of 772
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Originally Posted by KNKKNK View Post

Brad - I'm sure whatever you decide for your side wings will look fantastic. Your theater has such clean lines that even a subtle details on the front will stand out.

Thanks Brad! I still have some extra vinyl and Chinchilla GoM, maybe I can figure out some way to utilize it into the side panels - without making it too much of a distraction. Hmm...
post #513 of 772
It's not a well known fact but Brad has been working night and day on his theater build and will soon be amazing us all with an immaculately executed and perfectly finished theater shortly before it appears on the cover of Home Theater Interiors....

... either that or he smoked one too many Thai peace pipe's on his recent trip and imagined it all

C'mon Brad, how about a picture or two of the hush box...
post #514 of 772
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Originally Posted by Moggie View Post

It's not a well known fact but Brad has been working night and day on his theater build and will soon be amazing us all with an immaculately executed and perfectly finished theater shortly before it appears on the cover of Home Theater Interiors....

... either that or he smoked one too many Thai peace pipe's on his recent trip and imagined it all

C'mon Brad, how about a picture or two of the hush box...

I was so excited after reading this post, I nearly fell down the steps running to see how the theater came out.

.....But alas it appears your second scenerio is most accurate





HushBox .. long story short.. (Latest entry to my "WTF" list of auspicious moments)

-Built "Beautiful oak box", sanded with love and carefully finished to match room.
-Basked in aura of light while admiring my craftsmanship.
-Hung Box, mounted projector and lens for test.
-Attempted to "shine an Image" -Result- bottom 12" of image cut off becasue front lip interfeared with "light beam".
-Interferance caused by combination of additional recess due to lens and lack of clearance due to desire to maintain head height under box.
-Proceded to "hack" out front of hush box with jig saw in not so graceful jet lagged fashion.. (ie.. box no longer beautiful, not picture worthy)


Post Mortum Root cause: poor planning combined with poor planning
post #515 of 772
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Originally Posted by KNKKNK View Post


HushBox .. long story short.. (Latest entry to my "WTF" list of auspicious moments)

-Built "Beautiful oak box", sanded with love and carefully finished to match room.
-Basked in aura of light while admiring my craftsmanship.
-Hung Box, mounted projector and lens for test.
-Attempted to "shine an Image" -Result- bottom 12" of image cut off becasue front lip interfeared with "light beam".
-Interferance caused by combination of additional recess due to lens and lack of clearance due to desire to maintain head height under box.
-Proceded to "hack" out front of hush box with jig saw in not so graceful jet lagged fashion.. (ie.. box no longer beautiful, not picture worthy)


Post Mortum Root cause: poor planning combined with poor planning

This really sounds like something I would do. I've managed to avoid it so far, but I think I'm coming to the part of my build where my attempts to build things without proper planning and my attitude of if it doesn't work or fit right I'll fix it later is going to get the best of me.

Your build is over the top amazing. Awesome work. By the way, what happened to the sidelights in the side pillars - It looks like it has been replaced with GOM or something.
post #516 of 772
KNKKNK - just saying your skills are great and very nice build.
post #517 of 772
Thread Starter 
-Mike, Thank you!

-SM2000, The sconces will be mounted over the GOM panels between the columns, I'm just waiting on the elves to show up and finish the accoustical treatments behind the GOM.
post #518 of 772
Thread Starter 
Besides saving my thread from the archives of obscurity, I just wanted to take the opprotunity to say:

after paying almost $9 a foot, + investing a couple of hours of finish work in this 12' piece of oak.....





making an upside down and backwards cut on a compound angle ..... always makes my butt pucker....
post #519 of 772
Hopefully it wasn't a "Doh!!!" moment. I cant even find my thread anymore, who knows where it's off to. I've made a bit of progress, but have kind of resided to updating it when it's done, for real. May never happen, I suppose.
post #520 of 772
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Originally Posted by KNKKNK View Post

making an upside down and backwards cut on a compound angle ..... always makes my butt pucker....

Measure once and cut twice .... or is it the other way around
post #521 of 772
I don't have the guts to make that cut with my $2 pieces! LOL

Hey, we can shamelessly bring each others threads back from the black hole. I looked back about 6 pages and didn't see mine so I quit looking.

I sort of feel the same. There's not much to show until I'm done. Unfortunately, cutbacks at work and a possible career change have put a hold on my spending. All I really needed was carpet and countertops. Oh well...we'll enjoy it this way until things change.

I'm trying to do little things that take time but not money. There's enough of those!
post #522 of 772
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Originally Posted by oman321 View Post

Hopefully it wasn't a "Doh!!!" moment.

Nope.. actually it turned out to be a "WTF!!!" moment. I had purcahsed 5 sticks of the crown many moons ago, Stained 4 of them to use for the theater. 2 had been put up already in the front of the room, and this was one of the ones for the rear. After I measured and made the first cut on this piece, I discovered that there was a signifigant difference in the profiles in 2 of the 5 pcs.



This made joining/mitering or even coping to the pieces already installed impossible to any acceptable standards... So I had to take down one of the pieces I already had up and use it in the back on one side.. then stain the last piece and use the 2 with the smaller profile on the other side... Kinda one of those 2 steps foward one step back things..

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Originally Posted by Moggie View Post

Measure once and cut twice .... or is it the other way around

For this trim I was "sneaking" up on so it was more like.. cut 14 times.. with 14 trips from the basement to the saw.. I got calves like a chorus line dancer from going up and down the stairs

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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

I don't have the guts to make that cut with my $2 pieces! LOL

Hey, we can shamelessly bring each others threads back from the black hole. I looked back about 6 pages and didn't see mine so I quit looking.

I sort of feel the same. There's not much to show until I'm done. Unfortunately, cutbacks at work and a possible career change have put a hold on my spending. All I really needed was carpet and countertops. Oh well...we'll enjoy it this way until things change.

I'm trying to do little things that take time but not money. There's enough of those!

I hear ya.. I found my thread entering the black hole and grabbed it at the event horizon about a 1/2 a dozen post from the bottom of page 8....

I'm still trying to post updates as I go, however various delays, like the trim shown above keep postponing any signifigant updates and also like the trim it seems anything I touch lately heads south on me... Like this jar of Dye I had mixed up.. I spun around with a piece of wood in my hands and knocked it off on the floor...

I now have a large Pink spot in the middle of the shop where it stained the concrete.

Anyway here are a few shots of the RGB strips in the soffits.. Its really cool in person.. the entire room glows whatever color its on ....





My soffits are nearly complete around the entire room and the Hush box is in... After I get a couple more pcs of wood stained/put up.. Ill post a real update

On a side note... if anybody has any pointers for taking decent pictures in a dark room I'd like to hear em.. I see alot of great looking screen shots and other pics that I am not able to get close to. Wifes got a decent Sony camera so Im pretty sure I'm just missing some basics on which setting to use..

Brad
post #523 of 772
Reuben (sandman) had the most stunning photography of his room. I can't even get close to replicating.
post #524 of 772
I remember seeing a tripod, low lights and a long shutter speed, something like 30 seconds to a minute plus.
post #525 of 772
Brad, those LED strips light your soffits up very nicely! Do you have any reflective material on the back of the crown or did you just drop them in? Do you have a link handy for the strip LED's?
post #526 of 772
I realize it's a bit late now, but what about shaving the thicker pieces of crown on a jointer?
post #527 of 772
Thread Starter 
Tony.. agreed great pics of his theater.. Ill venture to say they were done by a prfessional photographer with more than a $400 digital camera..

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Originally Posted by oman321 View Post

I remember seeing a tripod, low lights and a long shutter speed, something like 30 seconds to a minute plus.

I did get a tripod, and saw an immediate improvement in all my pics, but when i slowed down the shutter the pictures got "Grainy"

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Originally Posted by tjambro View Post

Brad, those LED strips light your soffits up very nicely! Do you have any reflective material on the back of the crown or did you just drop them in? Do you have a link handy for the strip LED's?

Hello you lucky "Completed" theater owner you!!,

No reflective material.. the white/beige stone i used does a decent job of reflecting light + i only ended up with a 1/4" reveal in front of the leds so my "lighting channel" is not that deep either.

Here is the ebay seller I got the lights from.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Reel-...Q5fAccessories

The strip is fairly standard, the controller and remote are a little on the cheezy side.. but whad'a expect for 38$, and this was good enough for concept validation. (Actually the first controller I received was a dud but the seller sent a new one immediately)

I've not taked the time to look at the loads or anything so there is still alot to do to integrate the leds into a real controller. My thought process was that as the popularity of leds continue to increase, additional (simple)solutions for integration into lutron/creston/graphic eye etc, would become available.

I ran cat 6's to the area I have the transformer and controller hidden so I could possibley play around with a DMX controller, but this is moving to the far end of my to do list, in the "things to piddle with later" category.. worst case I think I can use rf via a remote, for changing modes/colors etc.

I think us hoosiers still need a meet sometime.. but Im afraid if I wait until my theater is complete we would all need one of those Stairlifts to get to the basement

Are you are planning on visiting Cedia this year, sept 7-10? (or any of you other AVSDIYER'S)

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Originally Posted by thegeek View Post

I realize it's a bit late now, but what about shaving the thicker pieces of crown on a jointer?

Good Idea, I can see where that would have worked. I had actually tried to shim out the bottom of the thinner piece since I was using a small crown stop, and the shim could be hidden. This got it fairly close, but I still wasnt satisfied. To be honest, I wasted more time trying find a "workaround" then it took to remove what I had done previously and match the different profiles up on each side.

I just have a few extra nail holes to fill now, but hey.. whats an extra 20 when your talking about ~ 10,000
post #528 of 772
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Originally Posted by KNKKNK View Post

Tony.. agreed great pics of his theater.. Ill venture to say they were done by a prfessional photographer with more than a $400 digital camera..

Ya, I remember him saying that he was having a friend or someone he knew in the biz coming in to take some pro pics. He may have had a nice camera too though, and the initial shots may have been his own.


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Originally Posted by KNKKNK View Post

I did get a tripod, and saw an immediate improvement in all my pics, but when i slowed down the shutter the pictures got "Grainy"


I have a Sony SLR and they struggle with low light pics. They really shine outdoors, but even with normal ambient light indoors my Sony tends to have that grainy effect at times unless I break out the flash attachment. I don't have a tripod but I'll see if I can play with it a bit this weekend and see if I produce a decent low light shot.
post #529 of 772
Thread Starter 
Im compensating for lack of speed with picture in this update.. I did manage to get past 2 items that had me spinning my wheels.. the hush box and the reveal on the bottom of the soffit..

For the past several months, only the front ~ 10ft of the soffits were started.

The rear still looked like this:


Once I built and mounted the hush box.. I finished the "boxes" for the rear soffits..



I also added these little, "side wings" for the hush box.. the intake air for the hush box comes in through the little vents in the bottom of the wings..



You can see on this side where I either missed measured or Mis cut the length of the side box and had to add a 1/2" spacer


Note: the hack job on the front lip of the hushbox.. had to scrap the front plate that held the glass from edmonds.. Ill remake it later..

Next I finished running the stone/crown/ and corbels around to the hush box..



Finished up another batch of wood....



Put up an 8" wide strip with a 2" reveal around the room..




I wanted to build up the front of the reveal to add a little "meat" to the bottom of the soffit .. so I added another piece of trim at the front edge





Then I used an 1 1/2" 1/2 round to finish off the front.. I lined it up with the cut in the other trim to get ~ 1/4 lip.. this worked out great for hiding the led strip without obscuring too much of the corbels..



Happy with the way this came out.. it makes for a nice clean line around the bottom...



Front.



Rear Corner:



Heres where it meets the side wing on the hush box


Notice the little panel in the side wing in the pic above..
Behind this is where I hid the transformer/controller for the RGB strips.



Still need to trim out the top of the hush box too..


Probably a list of reasons why I should not have done this.. but I divided the hush box into 2 compartments.. the rear one(shown without the divider) houses the "Cool Cube". I took this approach instead of building an access into the bottom of the soffits and placing it in there. Funny thing is since it moved the projector foward ~ 3 inches.. if I had done this first I wouldnt have needed to cut the front lip off of the box and scrap the portal plate..




The cool cube is dual speed, you can see the thermal sensor near where the exhaust for the projector is, it kicks it on automatically once temp get up.
Still lots to do inside the box. lining etc..




More to come eventually...
Movies by Christmas hopefully.... (yes Moggie.. This christmas!!)

Brad
post #530 of 772
Wow.

That's almost exactly the way I did mine!

Except, of course, for the part about the awesome woodwork, corbels, stone, crown, reveal, hush box, cool cube and hidden vent. Well, and everything else that makes it look so great.

But other than that, it almost exactly like mine. Especially the part about having a PJ. That part is almost exactly the same for sure.

Definitely. Definitely.





<< skulks off in shame >>
post #531 of 772
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Originally Posted by KNKKNK View Post

Hello you lucky "Completed" theater owner you!!,

No reflective material.. the white/beige stone i used does a decent job of reflecting light + i only ended up with a 1/4" reveal in front of the leds so my "lighting channel" is not that deep either.

Here is the ebay seller I got the lights from.

You'd be done also if you weren't doing such a fricking detailed and beautiful job! For $38, I decided to order a set and see if I like them better than my blue led rope.

I am enjoying my theater but I did have a couple of issues I have been fighting, the biggest of which was my Emotiva amp shutting down. I don't want to pollute your thread too much but let's just say after much trial and error, I think I may have the intermittent shutdown problem solved. Short story - the Emotiva goes into protect mode when it sees a 3.5ohm load. My DIY speakers are "4 ohm nominal" but they do dip down to 3 ohms. Today, I hooked up two Carvin proamps to handle the front channels and I'll leave the Emotiva to handle the surrounds. Hope that does the trick!

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I think us hoosiers still need a meet sometime.. but Im afraid if I wait until my theater is complete we would all need one of those Stairlifts to get to the basement

I think that would be cool! The meet not you in your depends on a stairlift. I'm about as far away from you I think while still being in Indiana. I'm in the southwest portion of the state, aren't you near Indy?

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Are you are planning on visiting Cedia this year, sept 7-10? (or any of you other AVSDIYER'S)

No not me, no sense looking at more stuff that I shouldn't be buying now. I need to replace the HVAC system next year, I would like a standby generator to protect the "theater & entertainment complex" and my wife will need a new car soon...

Keep up the good work and I'm sure you will be able to get some 12 year old to show you how to work all those new fangled gadgets you will have by the time you are finished!
post #532 of 772
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Originally Posted by KNKKNK View Post

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More to come eventually...
Movies by Christmas hopefully.... (yes Moggie.. This christmas!!)

Cool. That was a fun read... and I thought I had a lot of trim! I can just about get a feel for how the room is going to turn out now. I recall you using the phrase "old library" many months, ahem, may years ago As always, really great work!

How are you planning to finish the ceiling? I know at one point you were thinking about a star field -- painted? I was wondering about some very low profile coffers or picture frame like (BigMouth has some interesting detail on his ceiling). Another idea would be to faux paint so it looks like a dome.

As far as the cutout on the hush box, why not make another simple frame and fix over the front so that it hides the cutout and adds depth to the front of the box? May end up looking better than a flat front anyway.

Please don't make us wait as long for the next installment.

Cheers!
post #533 of 772
Very creative design and awesome execution as usual. =)

The one thing you're missing re: low light photography: set the ISO to the lowest setting you have (mine is 100), that should get rid of the grain problem.
post #534 of 772
Thread Starter 
Hanes.. your welcome to stop by.. on Wednesdays we have fishsticks and lime jello..

Tom.. I agree, I should have been done already.. I dont mind the building.. its the finishing everything that is starting to wear on me and delaying progress because its difficult to just start and stop if you only have a smaller time window.. so Im usually stuck waiting on the weekends to spray and if I happen to scrap something I basically loose a week waiting on finishing a new piece..

Hope the new Carvin amp solves your issues.. Im going to cedia hoping to learn a few things, I wont be buying anything yet..I've learned my lesson about buying equip before I actually need it and yup, Im in the pendleton area ~ 20 min NE of indy..

Moggie.. For the ceiling, I've resigned myself to the fact that Fiber is out.. I didnt plan properly for it and it would just be to difficult to get the fibers out there without major rework.. I did run power to the ceiling, I've tossed around the idea of building a coffer type of frame and "Paint" a star field then use the power for UV led's, but i need to study everything before I commit. In all honesty the celing is pushed towards the end of the list now, I figure I can address this area when the rest of the room is complete.

Regarding the front for the hush box.. the first one I built was kinda like a shadow box.. the sides angled top to bottom but the glass was held flat. I calculated the angle from the center of the lens to the center of the screen was ~ 12deg. so this put me in the 7-15 recommended range to prevent reflections..Im definately waiting until the projector and lens are in before building the next one.. My things to RE-DO list is getting as big as my to-do list..

I'm on a mission now to complete the major room elements and get a picture on the wall.. my next major task is to complete the panels for the rear wall.. and tie everything into the side walls.. Ill install all the treatments and get the room functional, before completing some of the "Cosmetic" details that basically go ontop of the wall panels.. Ie capitols, fluted columns (and Ceiling)etc.. I made a promise to my youngest (my movie buddy) to be watching movies in there by christmas, so Im really under the gun now.. not to mention the 2 1/2 year build is becoming a joke with friends and family

Brad.. Thanks!! I've not played with any custom settings, I've just been trying the preset settings ie Auto, twilight, beach, etc.. I'll see if I can figure out how to change the ISO setting.. PS I thought ISO was related to the type of "FILM" for conventional cameras


"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy"

Brad
post #535 of 772
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Originally Posted by KNKKNK View Post

Hanes.. your welcome to stop by.. on Wednesdays we have fishsticks and lime jello..

OK. But we would have to be careful not to miss Judge Wapner. Fifteen minutes to Wapner.

15 minutes.

post #536 of 772
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Originally Posted by hanesian View Post

OK. But we would have to be careful not to miss Judge Wapner. Fifteen minutes to Wapner.

15 minutes.


Isn't he married to Judge Judy? Wow... there's an incredibly disturbing image...
post #537 of 772
I have GOT to come see this theater when you're all finished up. Its truly a work of art.
post #538 of 772
Brad,

Been a while since I have posted, but I'm keeping up with your build. Everything is looking phenomenal, top notch work. Keep it up, the effort is definitely worth it.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #539 of 772
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Originally Posted by KNKKNK View Post

I made a promise to my youngest (my movie buddy) to be watching movies in there by christmas, so Im really under the gun now.. not to mention the 2 1/2 year build is becoming a joke with friends and family

I hear you. My daughters birthday is coming up and I promised she could have a movie party and sleepover in the theater. Technically I promised her the party last year, but this year I'm definitely on track!

Keep pushing, I guarantee a big smile when you sit down there with family and watch your first proper movie...

... or if you are like me, sit there thinking, "should I install a curtain to remove that unwanted reflection" or "does that area needs a bit more trim" or "are the floor lights still too bright" or "was that a rattle in the right soffit". The eternal DIYer is never finished.
post #540 of 772
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Originally Posted by KNKKNK View Post

PS I thought ISO was related to the type of "FILM" for conventional cameras

Yes, film speed in film cameras - digital cameras emulate the same thing and still call it ISO:

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For digital photo cameras ("digital still cameras"), an exposure index (EI) ratingcommonly called ISO settingis specified by the manufacturer such that the sRGB image files produced by the camera will have a lightness similar to what would be obtained with film of the same EI rating at the same exposure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_sp...exposure_index
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