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post #2221 of 2383
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Originally Posted by ondaedg View Post

My experience with another DLP with a high speed CW is that it took a few minutes for the wheel to get to a certain speed. Once it hit that speed, it hits a balance point and the noise goes away. That's why I ask.

I understand. However on each of the units I have used the moment you go into 48Hz the color wheel starts to whine versus the previous rather low pitch whirl. Thirty minutes later it will still be producing the exact same whine. If you go into the service menu and drop back to 2x the whine disappears. With my old DLP it was the opposite as it got quieter at 48Hz as the color wheel slowed down.

Trust me I'd love for it to be the same as 60Hz as that's rather loud for today's projectors but livable (for me). I have to drop the color wheel or tell the source to not use 48Hz as the whine is above any benefits... I can't see any image differences. Overall noise level is one of the W6000's few flaws... although fairly typical for DLP.
post #2222 of 2383
OK a few replies....

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Originally Posted by Arcadia88 View Post

YES! Thanks Isumu. The 8720 has what amounts to zero lag. I am going from my ps3 and htpc to a sony receiver to the 8720 with hdmi and no lag. I hope having to buy a new reciever isn't making you as mad as I would have been.

Haha, I was a little miffed that my state of the art Yamaha HTR-5990 was finally outdated a bit, but I'll live

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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Off-topic a bit, but for people playing Skyrim, it will look better if you change the textures...

coderguy, I read all about the textures and how great they look, and was going to apply them, until I read NUMEROUS horror stories on both the Nexus *and* official Beth forums, about they cause CTD's up the wazoo. They cause the game to be very unstable and crash prone. This was about a month or so ago on patch 1.3 so I don't know about today...have they fixed the Hi-res tex patch so that it's more stable?

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Originally Posted by ondaedg View Post

You may want to check to see if the receiver is introducing lag first. Based on what I've read, the W6000 is quite possibly the best projector for gaming with very low input lag times. If the receiver is introducing lag, check to see if you can bypass or disable any of the video processing capabilities of it. The problem with bypassing the receiver is that you lose the lossless sound capabilities coming from the PS3 by having to use optical.

I don't think I'll be getting any lag going through my receiver, because I didn't get any when using my 8720 at all. I was just curious if by passing it normally yields any benefits at all.

I have come with a workaround solution for the receiver/1080p dilemma. I am now running a DVI-HDMI cable straight from my ATI 5870 card to my pj, while simultaneously running an HDMI cable connection from the 5870 to my receiver *just* for the audio! It actually works beautifully! I get full 1080p resolution from the ATI DVI connection to the pj, and lossless HD audio from my HDMI connection to the receiver. Saves me having to rush out and buy a receiver right away Gotta love this ATI 5870 card!
post #2223 of 2383
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Originally Posted by isamu View Post

OK a few replies....


coderguy, I read all about the textures and how great they look, and was going to apply them, until I read NUMEROUS horror stories on both the Nexus *and* official Beth forums, about they cause CTD's up the wazoo.

The 2k texture pack (the main one) and the Sexy Towns one does not cauase any issues that I saw, and I played many many hours even using an ATI card instead of an NVIDIA. Your card needs at least 1GB ram.

As far as other issues, some of the other textures add a tiny bit of lag when transitioning during the game scenes (going in and out of cities), but not too much and it usually doesn't happen in normal gameplay. No other problems to speak of, and yes it looks better.
post #2224 of 2383
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

The 2k texture pack (the main one) and the Sexy Towns one does not cauase any issues that I saw, and I played many many hours even using an ATI card instead of an NVIDIA. Your card needs at least 1GB ram.

As far as other issues, some of the other textures add a tiny bit of lag when transitioning during the game scenes (going in and out of cities), but not too much and it usually doesn't happen in normal gameplay. No other problems to speak of, and yes it looks better.

Ahh I see. Well I think I'll probably wait until I get an nVidia Keplar 680. I heard those cards are the bomb.
post #2225 of 2383
The W6000 would be a major step-up in every catagory, sharpness, contrast, deeper blacks.
post #2226 of 2383
Yup. I am definitely seeing that! PQ is amazing!

However, a couple of strange things have happened since I got it....

The first day, I was making adjustments to the different settings in the menu(contrast, brightness, Clarity control, etc). This was on User 2 preset. That was all fine and dandy so I exited out the menu screen and continued enjoying the pj. Then, all of a sudden as soon as I would enter the menu screen again, the screen would go completely dark and the only way to bring it back would be to change to another user preset(ie User 1, Cinema Mode, User 3, etc). Going back to User 2 was OK, but going into the menu screen caused the picture to go dark. I had to shut the projector off and shut in on again to fix this issue but I thought it was really strange.

In addition, while switching resolution from a game yesterday, the unit simply shut itself down out of the blue. I wonder if it was caused by my receiver not being able to process 1080p and caused the pj to get "confused" and shut down? Interesting.

I'll let you guys know if anything else "strange" happens today.
post #2227 of 2383
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Originally Posted by isamu View Post

Yup. I am definitely seeing that! PQ is amazing!

However, a couple of strange things have happened since I got it....

The first day, I was making adjustments to the different settings in the menu(contrast, brightness, Clarity control, etc). This was on User 2 preset. That was all fine and dandy so I exited out the menu screen and continued enjoying the pj. Then, all of a sudden as soon as I would enter the menu screen again, the screen would go completely dark and the only way to bring it back would be to change to another user preset(ie User 1, Cinema Mode, User 3, etc). Going back to User 2 was OK, but going into the menu screen caused the picture to go dark. I had to shut the projector off and shut in on again to fix this issue but I thought it was really strange.

In addition, while switching resolution from a game yesterday, the unit simply shut itself down out of the blue. I wonder if it was caused by my receiver not being able to process 1080p and caused the pj to get "confused" and shut down? Interesting.

I'll let you guys know if anything else "strange" happens today.

That should not happen, if it happens again I would contact Benq.
post #2228 of 2383
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Originally Posted by isamu View Post

Yup. I am definitely seeing that! PQ is amazing!

However, a couple of strange things have happened since I got it....

The first day, I was making adjustments to the different settings in the menu(contrast, brightness, Clarity control, etc). This was on User 2 preset. That was all fine and dandy so I exited out the menu screen and continued enjoying the pj. Then, all of a sudden as soon as I would enter the menu screen again, the screen would go completely dark and the only way to bring it back would be to change to another user preset(ie User 1, Cinema Mode, User 3, etc). Going back to User 2 was OK, but going into the menu screen caused the picture to go dark. I had to shut the projector off and shut in on again to fix this issue but I thought it was really strange.

In addition, while switching resolution from a game yesterday, the unit simply shut itself down out of the blue. I wonder if it was caused by my receiver not being able to process 1080p and caused the pj to get "confused" and shut down? Interesting.

I'll let you guys know if anything else "strange" happens today.

This sounds like what happened to me the other day. When it happened to mine, I could just make out the menu, but could not actually read the text as it was so dark. The only way to restore the picture was to shut down and re-start. This happened by selecting user modes on the four keys above the compass pad which I pressed by mistake in the dark whilst watching a movie. I had not changed any setting in user 2 or 3 but I feel that should not make a difference. I have since copied user 1 setting over.

Now the image goes dark, but only for about 2 secs, then comes back on. Either way, it should not have done this in the first place, so I am almost glad to learn that another projector has this same fault and it is not just my own. This will only help support my case when I send mine back under warranty this time. The W5000 was just out of warranty.

If it was not for forums like this, all those with the W5000 that got vertical stripes would not have been able to share their experiences and it might have been easy for BenQ to simply deny the issue was even a global issue. I am

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Originally Posted by Mike Butny View Post

That should not happen, if it happens again I would contact Benq.

I'll contact them and pack mine up next week I think.
post #2229 of 2383
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Originally Posted by CAVX View Post

This sounds like what happened to me the other day. When it happened to mine, I could just make out the menu, but could not actually read the text as it was so dark. The only way to restore the picture was to shut down and re-start. This happened by selecting user modes on the four keys above the compass pad which I pressed by mistake in the dark whilst watching a movie. I had not changed any setting in user 2 or 3 but I feel that should not make a difference. I have since copied user 1 setting over.

Now the image goes dark, but only for about 2 secs, then comes back on. Either way, it should not have done this in the first place, so I am almost glad to learn that another projector has this same fault and it is not just my own. This will only help support my case when I send mine back under warranty this time. The W5000 was just out of warranty.

If it was not for forums like this, all those with the W5000 that got vertical stripes would not have been able to share their experiences and it might have been easy for BenQ to simply deny the issue was even a global issue. I am



I'll contact them and pack mine up next week I think.

Thanks for sharing that post CAVX. I will not be sending it back as it may(hopefully) be a one time glitch. Been using the unit since that post without issue. We'll see what happens.

Oh and on another note, for those of you familiar with a racing game called F-ZeroGX from Nintendo, it really really really behooves you to download an emulator called Dolphin and run F-ZeroGX on it and see how it looks on your W6000. Bottomline is, it is the best looking videogame I have ever EVER laid my eyes on PERIOD because of the way it looks on this W6000 projector! Gorgeous doesn't even begin to describe what my eyes are seeing here!






post #2230 of 2383
Guys quick question....why does the W6000 produce a green-ish tint when you apply "Brilliant Color"? Is there a way to tweak this?
post #2231 of 2383
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Originally Posted by isamu View Post

Guys quick question....why does the W6000 produce a green-ish tint when you apply "Brilliant Color"? Is there a way to tweak this?

Because Brilliant Color uses more of the native color(s) of the lamp to get additional brightness. You'll get a greenish tint if you use Native Lamp too. You can calibrate most or all of it away but you'll more or less get back to the other setting's brightness.
post #2232 of 2383
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

Because Brilliant Color uses more of the native color(s) of the lamp to get additional brightness. You'll get a greenish tint if you use Native Lamp too. You can calibrate most or all of it away but you'll more or less get back to the other setting's brightness.


Ahh I see thank you for the swift reply and explanation Charles. I don't like the way it looks so I will keep it turned off.

In addition to that, I am noticing that adjusting the contrast too low or too high seems to dim the picture significantly. Others appear to be having this problem and it's related to the Iris. Hopefully the issue gets resolved in a firmware because sometimes it's so dark I can't even read the menu.
post #2233 of 2383
After long wait, just ordered W6000 and a v/a 135 fixed screen to go with it for my dedicated darkened room this is going to be my first pj so I am sure I will have a lot more reading to do (and questions so pz bear with me).
I am going to mount this on the opposite wall of the screen, at near the top level, bally up (my understanding is it can not be just placed on shelf on its feet at the top of screen). Will universal mount work? something like this http://www.amazon.com/Mount-It-MI-60...FU/ref=lh_ni_t
also the pj is going to be mounted 18feet from lens to screen (according to manual minimum is 16.1 feet for my screen). Will this adversely affect contrast and sharpness?
and lastly, I need recommendation for a beautiful picture and sound effect movie (bd) to show off w6000
post #2234 of 2383
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Originally Posted by cx3gma View Post

I am going to mount this on the opposite wall of the screen, at near the top level, bally up (my understanding is it can not be just placed on shelf on its feet at the top of screen).

As long as the projector is mounted in the center of the screen you can place it on a shelf a little above the top of the image. The little above is a few inches and for rounding you might want to use the middle of the lens needs to be roughly at the top of the image. If you ordered the Visual Apex (house brand) screen note that the build quality is rather low. Such as the velvet coating is often matted or missing in small areas, corners often don't align quite right, slight folds in the screen material, etc. Now I'm not saying it's not a bang for your buck rather in this case you pretty much get what you pay for. However they are very nice about sending replacement pieces if needed... they simply might not be that much if any better.
post #2235 of 2383
Hey guys, just ordered the W6000.

Was wondering if it's possible at this late(r) stage of the projectors existence, that I could get a unit with older firmware, and a potential iris issue that some of the early-firmware units had?

How do I check what firmware is installed, and I'm guessing end-users cannot update firmware themselves?

Is there cause for concern if my unit has less than 1.02 installed on it?
post #2236 of 2383
This thing has been shipping for 3 years... so firmware wise I can't see any issue. And actually my understanding is all the firmware update did was adjust the iris settings. Which some early owners went into the service menu and duplicated on the older units. The firmware version is printed on the outer box and within the menu. The initial values were too aggressive and caused crushing so they were made more conservative which reduced contrast but prevented crushing.
post #2237 of 2383
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

This thing has been shipping for 3 years... so firmware wise I can't see any issue. And actually my understanding is all the firmware update did was adjust the iris settings. Which some early owners went into the service menu and duplicated on the older units. The firmware version is printed on the outer box and within the menu. The initial values were too aggressive and caused crushing so they were made more conservative which reduced contrast but prevented crushing.

Cool. Thank you.

Now, while I wait for my unit to arrive, its time to read the entire thread front-to-back! Hopefully I can wrap my head around any issues or quirks the W6000 has......let the fun begin!
post #2238 of 2383
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

As long as the projector is mounted in the center of the screen you can place it on a shelf a little above the top of the image. The little above is a few inches and for rounding you might want to use the middle of the lens needs to be roughly at the top of the image. If you ordered the Visual Apex (house brand) screen note that the build quality is rather low. Such as the velvet coating is often matted or missing in small areas, corners often don't align quite right, slight folds in the screen material, etc. Now I'm not saying it's not a bang for your buck rather in this case you pretty much get what you pay for. However they are very nice about sending replacement pieces if needed... they simply might not be that much if any better.

yea the screen is their house brand and lets hope it arrives with no significant blemishes.
so if I got this right, if I place the pj in the middle (between sides of the screen) and at the top of the image (center of lens at the top, right before the top velvet frame starts), then I can put the pj on its feet? this will help because I won't need to mount it bally up and instead will place it on one of those black glass wall shelves. Thanks
post #2239 of 2383
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Originally Posted by cx3gma View Post

so if I got this right, if I place the pj in the middle (between sides of the screen) and at the top of the image (center of lens at the top, right before the top velvet frame starts), then I can put the pj on its feet? this will help because I won't need to mount it bally up and instead will place it on one of those black glass wall shelves. Thanks

Spec wise you could place the center of the lens roughly 8 inches above the top of the image with a 135 inch diagonal screen. It's best to leave a little fudge factor.
post #2240 of 2383
^ thanks a lot. I will place it 4 inches higher to be sure. But main point is at that placement it could be on its feet or upside down.
I just can't wait to get it. Been building my room for a year and now I am finally done.
post #2241 of 2383
just one more question please, to make sure. Whether on feet or bally up at the top of the image, will it render the same pq?
In another words, does one way require more adjustment than the other? I kinda feel too much adjustment will degrade picture a little. I ask this because I want to order a mount now and its either going to be wall mount for upside down placement or a shelf for on the feet. I want to get best pq possible (if it matters)
post #2242 of 2383
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Originally Posted by cx3gma View Post

just one more question please, to make sure. Whether on feet or bally up at the top of the image, will it render the same pq?

The angle would be the same so any difference would be up to the quality of the lens. The less lens shift you use the better as you'll (tend to) have less chromatic aberration. Regarding mounting try here... it should fill in any blanks.

http://www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com/
post #2243 of 2383
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

This thing has been shipping for 3 years... so firmware wise I can't see any issue. And actually my understanding is all the firmware update did was adjust the iris settings. Which some early owners went into the service menu and duplicated on the older units. The firmware version is printed on the outer box and within the menu. The initial values were too aggressive and caused crushing so they were made more conservative which reduced contrast but prevented crushing.

I just looked at my firmware and realize I have 1.01. Charles can you please tell us how to update to firmaware 1.02? I have a pc near my pj and can connect a usb cable to it. Is it as easy as just going to a website, downloading the firmware, and applying to the pj?
post #2244 of 2383
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Originally Posted by isamu View Post

I just looked at my firmware and realize I have 1.01. Charles can you please tell us how to update to firmaware 1.02?

You can't. The bad news is you'd have to send the projector in for service. The good news there is no reason to as you wouldn't gain anything. No, I don't know the differences but for one version it was simply a different splash screen...
post #2245 of 2383
My W6000 is being delivered today and I was wandering if anyone could point out a calibrating settings. I hear OTB it is not accurate and needs calibration.
post #2246 of 2383
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Originally Posted by cx3gma View Post

My W6000 is being delivered today and I was wandering if anyone could point out a calibrating settings. I hear OTB it is not accurate and needs calibration.

OTB it is very grainy looking and looks horrible.

I searched this thread for my own post on my initial settings, I know I have tweaked it from there but I am at the office so don't know it off hand:


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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post

Here are my initial settings and it looks a lot better than fresh out of the box:

Cinema Mode

Brightness: 51
Contrast: 46
Color: 50
Tint: 2
Sharpness: 2

Black level: 0 IRE
Color Temp: Normal
Gamma: 2.2
Brilliant color: Off
Dynamic Black: On

Lamp Setting: Economic

I only have 15 hours on my W6000 and the settings were just on the fly to improve the picture. I will run some test discs when I have my room together to adjust the setting even more.

If anyone else could provide there settings who has had the W6000 longer than I then that would be great.

I remember someone mentioning setting the black level to 7.5 IRE but I can't remember how that turned out for me.

At least that will get your started.
post #2247 of 2383
Here is what I found in a search and the noted changes I made:


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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post

I went ahead and changed the IRE to 7.5 but then I lost detail in dark areas like the black suits in Tron. I went ahead and got out my copy of Spears and Munsil test BD to set brightness and contrast.

Here is what I ended up with after configuring brightness and contrast:

Cinema Mode

Brightness: 60 (51 before)
Contrast: 46 (same)
Color: 50 (same)
Tint: 2 (same)
Sharpness: 2 (same)

Black level: 7.5 IRE (0 IRE before)
Color Temp: Normal (same)
Gamma: 2.4 (2.2 before)
Brilliant color: Off (same)
Dynamic Black: On (same)

Lamp Setting: Economic (same)

I have to admit the picture looks a better with a lot more depth and stunning detail but it might be too bright. I might knock it down a little on the brightness but 60 was the lowest I could go before the second bar disappeared on the Pluge low pattern. I had to change the gamma as well to get the brightness correct.

I am using a AT screen though so my settings are probably compensating for the amount of light lost through the screen, probably back off a lot for a traditional screen.

This was the next day after someone mentioned the 7.5 IRE but I don't know were it's at now.
post #2248 of 2383
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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post

Here is what I found in a search and the noted changes I made:




This was the next day after someone mentioned the 7.5 IRE but I don't know were it's at now.

thanks. That will get me started
post #2249 of 2383
I just installed my BenQ W6000 last Friday. I am lighting up a 125" wide 2.37 Seymour Centerstage XD screen.

From this thread i know that if I want to access the Service Menu, I need to Press menu then go to Last tab which is information page. Press up, down, up, down.

And I now know the ISF Menu code is: up,down,up,down,left,right on the remote.

My question - if I want to follow Greyscale Calibration for Dummies, do i need to make adjustments in the Service Menu *and* the ISF menu? Or just ISF menu?

Also , it wasn't clear to me how exactly do you save your settings?

Thanks in advance.
post #2250 of 2383
Could one of you guys see how small of an image you can get into focus? I would like to use the W6000 (or W7000) for projecting patterns for a structured light scanner but need to know how SMALL of an image can be focused. If anyone could take a few minutes to do this I would greatly appreciate it. All I really need to know is the Width. I can then calculate the height and diagonal. Thanks!

Jean
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