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post #241 of 2421
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Originally Posted by loganross View Post

The sharp showed an good improvement on the colorvision before/after demonstration. Not much of a change for the benq. For both calibrations, I turned off auto iris and kept default settings for cinema mode (no brilliant color, etc.). For the benQ I reduced saturation for all colors to 40.

So, with auto iris off on both units, how do they compare on blacks/shadows?
post #242 of 2421
Darin:

A month or so ago, I posted in this forum that Projector Central was looking for reviewers.

Why didn't you sign on ??? I, and no doubt others, wish that you had.

Instead of posting in this forum, you could have used the time to review projectors.

This would have given those of us who are looking for a new projector, accurate info, so that we could make a wise choice, before spending our hard earned $$$.
post #243 of 2421
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Originally Posted by Elkhunter View Post

Darin:

A month or so ago, I posted in this forum that Projector Central was looking for reviewers.

Why didn't you sign on ??? I, and no doubt others, wish that you had.

Instead of posting in this forum, you could have used the time to review projectors.

This would have given those of us who are looking for a new projector, accurate info, so that we could make a wise choice, before spending our hard earned $$$.

Thanks for the thoughts. I did some reviews for Secrets of Home Theater, but reviewing projectors formally is kind of like homework for me. I would rather help other people who end up writing the formal review.

Also, I would rather read reviews by people like Ekkehart at cine4home.de and Greg Rogers than write them myself. A lot of reviewers could learn quite a bit from those 2, as I know I have.

BTW: If they had sent me big $$$ projectors to review I would have been more likely to continue, but most of the time I got projectors that were lower quality than what I owned. And I know lots of people care how DVDs look (although maybe less than when I was doing reviews), but I didn't feel like watching DVDs to really find out.

--Darin
post #244 of 2421
and "voilÃ*"
Benq in cinemascope CH 325cm width (screen is 400) movie: Blu ray THE NEW WORLD sce: Panasonic BD30 latest soft

interestingly it's not really brigther than my "custom" tuned (lol) SIM2 D80E (which has BColor on (but SIM handles it much better), , Unipath, Lightpath i tuti quanti,no iris and is in High temp color but you couldn't tell, the colorimetry is so right).

now the SIM is at screen height and the Benq at screen bottom so LOWER than your eyes while the SIM "attack" angle is better matching eyes position (i notice incidence of light path angles/height and perceived luminosity).
still a bit noisier in whites than the SIM2. but less than the W500 was (tiny micronoise everywhere).
the SIM2 has better colorimetry "density" (CRT texture). but it costs 2.5x

settings so far:

Picture mode: STANDARD
Brigthness 45
Contrast 60
Color 56 ( quick setting)
Sharpness:3 (carefull there,zero is way too soft and above 3 it starts 'diigtal' look etc)
BColor: OFF
Black level: 0
Detail enh:0
Luma 1 (didnt play yet with that)
Chroma 1 (didnt play yet with that)
Color temp: NORMAL
Gamma: 2.4
Color management: RED 50/65 - BLUE 50/53 GREEN 50/30 YELLOW 50/65
D Iris : ON

(note: list of D80E features: New 0,95" 1080p DLP® chipset by Texas Instruments
• 1920x1080 pixel HDTV resolution
• Optimum contrast (>4500:1) and black level detail
• Future-proof input: HDMI™-HDCP
160W lamp
• BrilliantColor™ Technology
• Unishape™ Technology
• Proprietary SIM2 ALPHA PATH™
light engine
• New Live Colors Management
software
)
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post #245 of 2421
so everybody sleeps still ?
post #246 of 2421
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Originally Posted by Digital2004 View Post

so everybody sleeps still ?

No.

And I'd really like to hear how this unit performs. I have the Optoma 806 now and the PQ is not that impressive, even though it's a light cannon at 2000 lumens. I'd sure like to know if the 2500 lumens on this thing still will give you a good picture -- I need lumens because I watch in my living room on a 144" diagonal screen and there is plenty of ambient light.

I'm really leery of the one year warranty and only 2000 hours on the bulb in standard mode. I have another PJ in my place upstate, the Mits 5500, and although it's not nearly as bright -- i have less ambient light up there -- the warranty is longer and the bulb is rated at 4000-5000, plus when I bought it they sent a spare. Mits service is great. I can't say the same for Optoma and I have never owned a BenQ
post #247 of 2421
good morning
no 2500lumens forget it. very good colors, contrast=1000lumens (twice a Pana AE3000 or JVC HD100 etc)
here in Europe i think it's 3y warranty as with the W5000
Optoma service is so
benq service is good at least here, too bad you can't at least on the 5000 do upgrade
yourself
perhaps with the 6000 and the USB connection one can do it. firmware version is 1.0

sold 25JVC not one problem since 2007 (except one bulb)
but this is another budget range...
post #248 of 2421
I'm also very interested in how this BenQ performs.
Ahro, if warranty is any indication for product quality I think you can rest assure. As if I would buy this PJ in Europe I would receiver a 3 year BenQ warranty (atleast in the Netherlands and Germany).

EDIT: Seems Digital2004 got it sorted out first .
post #249 of 2421
trust me on the screenshots, it looks 90% like that in real life
but this is a batcave
screen is microperforated 13° 1.0 (no moiré ah ah the woven competition "that kills lumens")
post #250 of 2421
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Originally Posted by Digital2004 View Post

no 2500lumens forget it. very good colors, contrast=1000lumens

Is this calibrated D65 and Rec.709 lumens?
post #251 of 2421
likely not
next year i'll invest in devices. but i trust my calibration discs, my reference discs and my eyes and i seek:
best skin tones
punchy image
no green push (ugly, what you get on all these machines epson incl, optoma etc if you want lol to reach their advtersied max lumens)
great gamma (2.2-2.4)
a D65 you lose too much lumens, contrast vs "the alternative" (personal tweaking)

so again this machine to me is ideal for the one who is on limited budget and wants a good sized cinemascope screen (300-400cm batcave)

you want maximum on off get a JVC but it has 2x less ansi and looses sharpness with a lens (convergence+lens= a bit soft). mono dlp or superior converged 3DLP fit better a lens imho. ( lcd benefits from lens too because it reduces the pixel gap in one dimension at least).
post #252 of 2421
I am still reviewing the W6000. I am liking it.

Digital2004/Other Owners,
Do you hear the IRIS electronics? I do not mean the IRIS mechanically moving, but the electronics itself. I am thinking of exchanging it for another one if I decide to keep it.
post #253 of 2421
At first I thought the W6000 would be a downgrade for home theaters compared to the w5000. THen the past week I started to think maybe its an upgrade now I am not sure.

It does not sound like blacks are good enough. My W5000 is just about the perfect brightness for me on a high gain screen, I wouldnt mind a few more lumens. But projector central claiming 600 and some is closer to the w5000 lumens.


I love everything about dlp, except i would like good blacks, and less noise. Then I would be very happy customer willing to upgrade. As long as it had good lumens, and sharpness, and asni, typical of all dlps.

I thought about lcos, but I like sharpness, bright scenes (i consider bright outdoor scenes to be as important as dark scenes, I know some purisits only consider black dark scenes) and I also like the ansi, im not sure if lcd or lcos can come close in ansi. And also motion blur.

Sounds like the planar 8150 hit it out of the park with the perfect dlp. But Im waiting to see the infocus. I considered the infocus to be the perfect projector (color, brightness, sharpness, except blacks sucked, i am hoping they fix that with the new one, i see they included a DI on the new model, art said the last model really needed it)

Hopefully the new infocus comes down in price though, thats one great thing about the benq, and with prices falling so fast every year, and new technology popping up, i cant justify spending to much on a projector upgrade each year.

I dont want to get off topic here though, just thought I would share some thoughts as a w5000 owner thinking of an upgrade. I am not sure if the w6000 would be enough for us to upgrade.
post #254 of 2421
good point on the Infocus at least the IN 81 (the 83 does not justify the price diff imho)
ultra sharp because no lens shift imho also .
curious about the new Infocus completely diff in design (exterior)
the W6000 is bright like Art confirmed, 1000-1100ansi lumens so it's brighter than the 5000. very puzzeld by PCentral review.
good point on motion blur on lcos and ansi (sony improved it to 400:1 but not JVC)
dlp remains king of ansi (LUMIS record at close to 1000:1 but led seems to reach that too, combined with DLP: 800:1)

i'm biazed towards screen format: to me the real HT is constant height so black bars issue disappears and you become a bit less 'anal' about on off contrast but more about ansi contrast and lumens.
the minute you are back to 16/9 screen then you "crave" for 100,000:1
most installation I do: cinemascope. seeing is instant adopting.
post #255 of 2421
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Originally Posted by Digital2004 View Post

the W6000 is bright like Art confirmed, 1000-1100ansi lumens so it's brighter than the 5000. very puzzeld by PCentral review.

But that's only with color temp colder than D65 right? PJC got ~1000 lumens when they moved away from D65.

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i'm biazed towards screen format: to me the real HT is constant height so black bars issue disappears and you become a bit less 'anal' about on off contrast but more about ansi contrast and lumens.

I still disagree. Just because you don't have the bars, doesn't magically make on-off not important. On/Off is more imporant than ANSI in lots of scenes (note that they are both important). The W5000 was definitely lacking in On/Off, even on my scope setup. I don't think 3000-5000:1 is "enough" On/Off, period, scope or not.
post #256 of 2421
I took some pictures insteed, don't mind the strange colours in the picture behind the menu.

These settings works fine for me. I have a 1,0 gain white ISF approved 90" fixed screen. In my livingroom where there are some ambient light.

I have no idear what to do in the colour management so haven't done anything. The gray colours cut be better, it is like everything is black with no variation in the gray. How can I make that better?

What is Luma and Chroma transmission? why can't I change noise reduction in clarity control.

Next will be an Stewart Firehawk G3 and an clalibration






post #257 of 2421
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Originally Posted by stanger89 View Post

But that's only with color temp colder than D65 right? PJC got ~1000 lumens when they moved away from D65.



I still disagree. Just because you don't have the bars, doesn't magically make on-off not important. On/Off is more imporant than ANSI in lots of scenes (note that they are both important). The W5000 was definitely lacking in On/Off, even on my scope setup. I don't think 3000-5000:1 is "enough" On/Off, period, scope or not.

well it looks very natural to me. not bluish or greenish crap
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i said "less" important. of course i'd LOVE to have 100,000:1 NO IRIS
but switching to scope format you switch your requirements more towards ansi CR and lumens for big screen
bear in mind also the CONTENT !!! people react as if all films had inky blacks
my SIM2 has "only" 4000:1 but i can tell you the black scenes in DARK KNIGHT (night scenes) are immensely black and you could think it has 30000:1

take another movie like A BRIDGE TOO FAR or GLADIATOR and yr blacks will NOT look as black: THE source. photography, film stock , director's intent etc
(take MASTER AND COMMANDER too)
post #258 of 2421
how did you activate noise reduction ? do you see a difference ?

don't know what you have displayed there (sd, tv ?) but mmh, here're my screenshots and it's as if it's a completely different pj....

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post #259 of 2421
3 10 TO YUMA screenshots. remarquable western and blu ray.
taken without a digicam foot however.

i reduced color to 50.
closed to zero luma and chroma also
it's much better in real life. very close to the SIM2.

it definitely has more "snap" than the W5000 (ansi and lumens)
W5000 was flatter, less pop.
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post #260 of 2421
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Originally Posted by Digital2004 View Post

you want maximum on off get a JVC but it has 2x less ansi and looses sharpness with a lens (convergence+lens= a bit soft). mono dlp or superior converged 3DLP fit better a lens imho.

Could you please look at some of the pictures in this article:

http://www.videovantage.com/?p=11

and see how the W6000 compares for pixel structure to what is there for the Optoma HD8200, RS20, and Planar 8150. I believe the W6000 has the .65" chip like the HD8200, but the lens or other factors could be better.

--Darin
post #261 of 2421
very interesting! it's all in optics and type of chips.
seems Planar does very nice machines. smaller chips race at the expense of sharpness...
just turned off the W6000.
it seems to me a bit less sharp than my SIM2 but I have to fine tune its sharpness on screen (not as convenient as the SIM which has remote controled focus and zoom)
the W6000 clearly is very dependant on the sharpness settings via the remote.
very very dependant.

image is so great I watched a good 45min of 3 10 TO YUMA
saves a lot of money fo sound, design, acoustics
post #262 of 2421
It's simple. I am looking for a FP pic that rivals my 720p 42" Panasonic plasma. I currently have a Benq PE8700 with a 110" Silverstar screen. The 8700 is just okay for movie watching in my light controlled basement HT, but of course I want more. I want to watch football, etc and can only do that currently in the dark. I want the FP AND a living room experience.

Am I barking up the wrong tree here? Is there another HT PJ that will do what I am asking? Do I need to look at a Large Venue PJ? The longer I wait to get comprehensive info on the W6000, the more the luster gets knocked off of it.

Thanks for letting me ramble and I await suggestions.
post #263 of 2421
I'd wait for some better reviews (or should I say more complete/in depth, no offense to any who've posted their valuable comments thus far) of the W6000, and some reviews of the InFocus SP8602 before you decide.

Given what we've heard so far (600-1000 "usable" lumens depending on how close to D65 you want to be, poor native CR), I think it's very possible, if not likely that the InFocus will be brighter since it's rated at 1400 Lumens and InFocus' usually can hit their rating in some calibrated, D65 form.

The big question with the IF is how good the DynamicBlack implementation will be.
post #264 of 2421
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Originally Posted by Digital2004 View Post

how did you activate noise reduction ? do you see a difference ?

don't know what you have displayed there (sd, tv ?) but mmh, here're my screenshots and it's as if it's a completely different pj....

I did't activate the noise reduction, and I can't deactivate it at all?

It is HD 720p, but dosent matter once the camera takes the picture the colours, sharpness and everthing is gone. It was just to illustrate the menu
post #265 of 2421
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Originally Posted by Mr_Anderson View Post

I did't activate the noise reduction, and I can't deactivate it at all?

When noise reduction option is greyed out, it is simply not in use for that type of signal your are feeding currently. At least in W5000 noise reduction was only in use for SD resolution signal.
post #266 of 2421
yes it's not modifiable, strange it's locked at +2
frankly this machine is a bargain for the pop, white purity, no shading,punch it provides
it handles dvd also much better than say the Pana AE3000
curious about Art final review but excellent colorimetry and 1100-1200 lumens is not something seen often at the price
again, for one who wants cinemascope big screen cheap, get the BENQ
post #267 of 2421
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Originally Posted by Digital2004 View Post

yes it's not modifiable, strange it's locked at +2

Actually it is not 'locked' at +2, it is simply not in use for the signal you are currently feeding and it is just showing the value that was (pre)selected with SD signal. Just feed it to SD signal and change it to whatever you want, but still it is only in use for SD signals and whatever the greyed out number displayed with HD signals it is still same as 0 (=not in use).
post #268 of 2421
Digital2004,

Have you watched any HDTV yet? What are your thoughts. Thanks,
post #269 of 2421
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Originally Posted by bigbone61554 View Post

digital2004,

have you watched any hdtv yet? What are your thoughts. Thanks,

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post #270 of 2421
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Originally Posted by Digital2004 View Post

it definitely has more "snap" than the W5000 (ansi and lumens)
W5000 was flatter, less pop.

Would have been fun if you still had the W5K to do a side by side comparison. Hell, maybe I'll get in touch with Art and take my W5K down to his place and do a shootout.
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