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post #31 of 2421
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Originally Posted by astrocyte74 View Post

Another totally unverifiable, but juicy, rumour - this time from an italian site, mentions the upcoming w30000 to be LED based? I'd attach the link but I guess I haven't posted enough to be able to post links yet, so just google "Benq w30000 LED" and translate the top link.

Anyway - here's the translation -

"The news is that the W30000 exist: it is a machine that we will see a half years, with the LED (this case) and that will consequently be placed at the top of the range. I hope that BenQ adopts a policy of price different from that of Lin and Chi Vivitek, but we will see. The engine will always be PhlatLight, then we should expect something immediately usable. We await with interest.
it seems that finally we have!"


That would be interesting . . . (if it wasn't priced like the Delta / Vivitek).

LED would be nice, but im not sure the tech is mature enough yet.
post #32 of 2421
Louder noise from the unit is a step backward, particularly when the competiton to DLP is getting quieter.

This is probably inevitable with the higher lumens, which requires more cooling. But I hope this unit has a lower lumens-"quiet" mode that can get things below 25 db. Anything more is just not going to cut it going forward.
post #33 of 2421
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Originally Posted by stanger89 View Post

OK, now I don't believe that will will happen for a second. The W5000 is doing good to hit 5000:1 with DB enabled (maybe 6000-7000:1 if you've got BC on). There's no way this thing will hit 50,000:1 and be twice as bright as the W5000.



If it's twice as bright, that makes a lot of sense.

Can't really see what they're shooting for with this machine.

Anyway, I got this all from the following pages - where more pics can also be found - listed here via Babelfish translation links.
(Sorry, I guess I'm not allowed to post links so if you change the ******* to "t i n y u r l"(without the spaces obviously) they should work) - man their filter for detecting web pages is good! I'm impressed.

Why don't you just post the direct links.



Sorry guys, not going to happen, half the price + twice as bright, it will not have better contrast.



Not particularly, it sounds like they just took the W5000, put a bigger lamp in it, and cranked up the contrast rating way beyond reality like the LCD manufacturers seem to be doing. Basically it sounds like BenQ marketing's response to the AE3000/6500.

And FWIW, my W5000 throws a great picture, I just have a feeling this will end up being very similar, except not quite as good since the brighter, bigger lamp will hurt CR/black level.[/quote]

like the AE3000?165w, 400lumens calibrated (700 at colder temp(not PC crap temp)) ? you're kidding
if this thing has 280w lamp, and say around 1500lumens at good colorimetry, and DC3 with say 10.000:1 on off and 550-600:1 ansi, this is a killer.
for guys with big screens (120-160") or brighter for white living rooms.

we do need punchier projectors. the race to constrast is not to be alone.
a balance must be found. 5-10000:1 500:1 ansi or more and 1200-1500lumens is the right track
post #34 of 2421
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Obviously every projector announcement has to be taken with a few large chunks of salt as to what will be delivered vs what is announced.

Nonetheless, its more than about time we see some new 1080p affordable DLPs with Lens Shift. It'd be nice to see some new DLP competition for the new high contrast LCDs . . . . The only one with Lens Shift in their price range is the W5000 and, not that there's anything wrong with it, but it was introduced a few generation of LCD projectors ago. (Like projector.com initially compared it directly to the Epson 1080 - before the 1080UB even!)
post #35 of 2421
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Originally Posted by Digital2004 View Post

like the AE3000?165w, 400lumens calibrated (700 at colder temp(not PC crap temp)) ? you're kidding

My reference to "LCD"s is their overinflated unrealistic CR specs. The AE3000 is rated at 50,000:1 on/off, but only does about 13,000:1 in a remotely calibrated mode.

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if this thing has 280w lamp, and say around 1500lumens at good colorimetry,

Yeah, I didn't mean to say anything about the brightness, obviously this thing will be a light canon.

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and DC3 with say 10.000:1 on off and 550-600:1 ansi, this is a killer.

Why do you expect DC3? The W5000 isn't and this appears to be replacing the W5000. And the bigger lamp will almost undoubtedly hurt On/Off CR. The W5000 you can get about 5000:1 tops (heck I've measured under 3000:1 depending on calibration, with DB enabled) calibrated. I don't see how this will be dramatically higher.

Unless they trade a good portion of that lamp wattage for a more CR-optomized (thus light output sacrificing) light engine, I don't see where the CR will be improved.

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for guys with big screens (120-160") or brighter for white living rooms.

No doubt it will find many homes, but it just seems like an odd replacement to the W5000 (which according to my conversations with BenQ support is now out of production).

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we do need punchier projectors. the race to constrast is not to be alone.
a balance must be found. 5-10000:1 500:1 ansi or more and 1200-1500lumens is the right track

Not denying that, but black level/CR has been a disappointement with my W5000. It's only marginally better than the IN76 it replaced (~2000-2500:1 native). BenQ sacrificed a lot of native CR when they implemented DB, to the point of almost negating it.
post #36 of 2421
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Originally Posted by stanger89 View Post

Not denying that, but black level/CR has been a disappointement with my W5000. It's only marginally better than the IN76 it replaced (~2000-2500:1 native). BenQ sacrificed a lot of native CR when they implemented DB, to the point of almost negating it.

The competition is not the w5000, it is probably plasmas and for black levels the w5000 has already surpassed them. The w6000 has different specs that trying to make since of simply doesn't look good on paper. I personally would have liked to have seen a better lens, better remote, more user presets, adjustable lamp, or even a dynamic gamma.
post #37 of 2421
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Originally Posted by SteveMo View Post

The competition is not the w5000, it is probably plasmas and for black levels the w5000 has already surpassed them.

You looking at the same W5000 I am? Because Kuro's can come come pretty close to a CRT, and my W5000 is nowhere close to a CRT. Like I said, it's not significantly better than my old IN76, which was a 720p DC2 DLP with no DI. It's natural to compare the W6000 to it's predicessor, and it's competition is the IN83, RS10, AE3000, etc. Most of those, save maybe the IN83, easily beat the W5000 on black level/CR.
post #38 of 2421
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Originally Posted by stanger89 View Post

You looking at the same W5000 I am?

No I am not.
post #39 of 2421
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Originally Posted by SteveMo View Post

No I am not.

Well, obviously

You know what I mean. I just can't see anyone comparing the black levels of the W5000 to a good plasma (like a Kuro) favorably, unless they've got a really dim lamp or a really big screen.
post #40 of 2421
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Originally Posted by stanger89 View Post

Well, obviously

You know what I mean. I just can't see anyone comparing the black levels of the W5000 to a good plasma (like a Kuro) favorably, unless they've got a really dim lamp or a really big screen.

The reasons I have heard here (it would take awhile to find the reference and it might have been members only area) and in other places is that the screen on a plasma prevents light from escaping. The problem can also be that from one display to the next they do not measure and publish specs to a standard. The plasmas I have seen never looked as good but then I have only seen them in the stores. Sometimes the lamp installation can cause problems but I am not sure that is what is going on for you. I am not contradicting or challenging your experience I am only sharing my own.
post #41 of 2421
i have the Benq w20000 and its black level is nowhere near the 9th gen Kuro i have. I had the JVC HD750, now that was a good match for the Kuro, but the Benqs are way way behind a kuro at this point, check the Kuros calibrated specs, they are off the chart, like 10x the calibrated spec of my w20000. Its not even close
post #42 of 2421
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Originally Posted by gandley View Post

i have the Benq w20000 and its black level is nowhere near the 9th gen Kuro i have. I had the JVC HD750, now that was a good match for the Kuro,...

You went from a HD750 (RS20) to the W20000?

Why?
post #43 of 2421
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Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

You went from a HD750 (RS20) to the W20000?

Why?

Motion Blurr was too much for me. I think i became sensitive to the sample and hold effect and i could see the JVC dropping detail badly in fast motion. Also the image depth was lacking compared to a good DLP, everything else the JVC was great at. Hoping the next JVCs sort out the issues for me as the on/off black level was great.

the Benq is a tweener for me while i wait for CEDIA.
post #44 of 2421
Thread Starter 
http://www.dcviews.com/press/benq-w30000.htm

W6000 Ultra-Bright 1080p DLP Projector for Home Theater & Conference

Characterized by native 1080p resolution and dual-purpose functionality, the new W6000 DLP projector finds its niche in affordable home theater applications and large conference room venues. For home entertainment, the W6000 employs high-end technologies including VIDIĀ®, DynamicBlack, BrilliantColor, ISFccc, exclusive 3D Color Management, and an exceptional 50,000:1 high contrast ratio to render intense movie action and complex scenes in dazzling detail, vibrant colors, deeper black levels, and blur-free smooth video. Plus, the high-brightness 2500AL enables movie enjoyment without the need for blackout conditions. When it comes to multi-content business use, the W6000 performs just as brilliantly: 1920x1080 widescreen amps productivity with the ability to display two full pages side-by-side; native Full HD resolution delivers true 1080p video for corporate presentations; ultra-high contrast ratio ensures crisp detail even in the most data-intense charts and tables. Versatility and convenience are via dual HDMI 1.3 ports, which allow for pure digital connection and easy hookup to HD equipment.
post #45 of 2421
I'm thinking the LED W30000 is more interesting
post #46 of 2421
This is odd there trying to target home theater and confrence rooms. I guess it maybe ok if people want it with some light, or they market it to bars or other areas.

The w5000 is about 650 lumens and I find it very bright, and I like a bright projector.

I just put a new bulb in and i keep the iris around 3-4 closed, so I dont even use all the light. 19 is all open.


It would have been nice if they kept the lumens around 650-700 but improved black level.
post #47 of 2421
imho on specs the W6000 will be ideal with:
large scope screens (anam lens in front) so no black bars so if it's on off is 'only' 4000-5000:1 native, good enough. (if ansi is 500 or above).

large scope screens=330-400cm width
post #48 of 2421
Thread Starter 
Well, Infocomm has come and gone . . . . I thought we would have heard some more info re availability date and pricing. Has anyone heard anything?
post #49 of 2421
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Originally Posted by astrocyte74 View Post

Well, Infocomm has come and gone . . . . I thought we would have heard some more info re availability date and pricing. Has anyone heard anything?

The MSRP on the 30000 is expected to be $7K, which means it will street for about half a few months after it comes out, but it is not clear when it will be out. The MSRP on the 6000 is substantially less (less than $3K, and closer to $2K I think, and it seems to be closer to production than its big brother (i.e. it will probably be coming out sometime in the near future).
post #50 of 2421
astrocyte74,

Art posted in his blog yesterday that he's hoping to see a W6000 review unit in the next 4-5 weeks.

He thinks that the MSRP will be $3999 or $3995, and that the projector will street for under $3K.

www.projectorreviews.com/blog/
post #51 of 2421
Any updates on when this will ship? Middle of July almost and thought we'd have a more firm date by now.
post #52 of 2421
Thread Starter 
http://www.big-screen.de/deutsch/pag...ber-handel.php

According to this a bit more info -

-two mode : normal at 2500 lumens and Cinema at 1100 lumens
- Shipping in September for MSRP 2500 Euros (~$3500US)
- 6 Segment Color Wheel - is this standard these days for a DLP?
- HQV video processor - again, is this standard these days?

Still trying to figure out if this projector will be worth getting exciting about . . . (using the cinema mode predominantly of course)

Timing wise, I guess it'll be out about the same time we here about other new players from Cedia???
post #53 of 2421
If it states 1100 lumens in Cinema mode then probably 700-800 lumens at D65 which is not bad for the price. It remains to be seen what type of image it throws. It will be improved compared to its predecessor IMO.
post #54 of 2421
One of the AVS Forum's sponsors, ProjectorPeople.com appears to now be stocking the BenQ W6000 as well as a lower end 1080P projector W1000 at a much lower price point. Interesting...

The latest BenQ projector calculator now includes the W6000.
post #55 of 2421
I just checked the website and this is the FIRST DLP that will fit my room and budget (and not be too dim, or too offset, or too...) it will throw a ~102" from 18ft, I've been telling myself for a long time that I wasn't a DLP fan, truth is, I love the sharpness and pop, just hope its a more polished version of W5000 with better blacks...on that topic:

http://www.benq.com/products/Projector/?product=1546

They state "Philip's VIDI lamp technology delivers an astounding 50,000:1 contrast ratio" which we all know is crap, but if it delivers half I'll be happy. Anyone know what the VIDI thing is?

Its also got lens shift and HQV...this should sell like hotcakes if they can keep the street price in the forum below this.
post #56 of 2421
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Originally Posted by pottscb View Post

They state "Philip's VIDI lamp technology delivers an astounding 50,000:1 contrast ratio" which we all know is crap, but if it delivers half I'll be happy. Anyone know what the VIDI thing is?

It's similar in concept to the Osram Unishape tech that Sim2 and Planar use. It modulates the lamp with the colorwheel driving harder during red to partially compensate for the lamps inherent red deficiency.

FWIW I'll be surprised if it manages 1/5 of what they claim, basically sounds like it's a brigher W5000, and it couldn't hit 10,000:1.
post #57 of 2421
Is it really a 4:3 ratio projetor though? Spec sheet says it is, but we know they're not always 100% accurate.
post #58 of 2421
actually I was looking at Projector People's site. Benq's says it isn't 4:3. This looks interesting for sure.
post #59 of 2421
Damn, FINALLY a digital projector that will light up my screen at a reasonable cost!

I wonder if any other digitals coming up will have a 300w/280w lamp?

Cliff
post #60 of 2421
hi guys
does it have any manual or dynamic iris ?
the new lamp technology used by SIM2 also is indeed a real ++ for dlp.
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