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post #151 of 520
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Originally Posted by Leetthal View Post

If they are both equal in your eyes why pay more for the LCD?


Exactly. The thing that hasn't been shown in pics or commented on is watching during the day. If the LCD is brighter during the day (not blacked out setting) it might be worth the price difference. I'm not really a videophile and I can sort of control the light in my living room but a brighter LCD might be a better move than a better/cheaper/dimmer plasma for me.

I'd like to hear a comparison with a lit room. If the LCD can hang with the plasma in dark does it pull away when it comes to watching saturday morning cartoons in full sun?
post #152 of 520
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Originally Posted by samendolaro View Post

Got to remember that the sammy is much more energy efficient then the Plasma. A normal LCD is about 30% more energy efficient . The LED versions should push that to near 50%. Less heat

Great point and an important consideration for a lot of people.
post #153 of 520
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Originally Posted by samendolaro View Post

Got to remember that the sammy is much more energy efficient then the Plasma. A normal LCD is about 30% more energy efficient . The LED versions should push that to near 50%. Less heat

It also has some online content, DLNA, yahoo widgets , live streaming of netflix, youtube etc... those features haven't been reviewed here but it is a buying point for me. Still too expensive.... I'll wait for the summer if need be..


Chris, is that samsung remote standatrd or does it have a qwerty on it ? (Slide open ?)

Lol got to love this "energy" talk

Online content is pointless. and the Plasma has some for those interested.

Still dont understand why people want to spend more money for no reason.
post #154 of 520
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Panasonic TC-P50G10



Samsung UN55B7100





Panasonic TC-P50G10



Samsung UN55B7100





Panasonic TC-P50G10



Samsung UN55B7100


The most revealing aspect for me in the way the Panasonic handles the street scene below the building. The Samsung's rendition of the same scene is poor. Very impressed with the G!
post #155 of 520
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Originally Posted by SoapDoctor View Post

I'd like to hear a comparison with a lit room. If the LCD can hang with the plasma in dark does it pull away when it comes to watching saturday morning cartoons in full sun?

True, true......either way from what LCD has to offer that is out "today", the Samsung is just a "Modern Marvel" !
post #156 of 520
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Originally Posted by Leetthal View Post

Lol got to love this "energy" talk

Online content is pointless. and the Plasma has some for those interested.

Still dont understand why people want to spend more money for no reason.

The energy proclamations are usually the province of the LCD camp, it's one of the few positive things they can tout. But those same energy advocates then power up their mega amps and energy gulping speakers; but hey, they are helping the planet...lol.

I do think you are underestimating the future application of streaming video, that's why I'm interested in the G series.
post #157 of 520
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Originally Posted by SoapDoctor View Post

Does anyone really care what the MSRP is?

Some ppl do, actually. Because if you know the MSRP, you can kinda/sorta guess what the price 'floor' on a set is going to be a few months down the road.

You don't tend to see many popular sets (other than aberrations like the Kuro 5020 fire-sale) going for more than 30-40% off MSRP, even now at EOL.

So, for someone with 'champagne taste and a beer budget', who's willing to wait...
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post #158 of 520
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Originally Posted by Leetthal View Post

Lol got to love this "energy" talk

More and more ppl are going green. The trend will continue, probably even intensify.

Get used to it, the TV makers are.
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post #159 of 520
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Originally Posted by SystemShock2 View Post

....

... someone with 'champagne taste and a beer budget', who's willing to wait...
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...gets flat, stale beer.


TVbc
post #160 of 520
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Originally Posted by TVbc View Post

...gets flat, stale beer.

But they're not buying the beer, they're buying the champagne. Kinda the point.
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post #161 of 520
WOW, the G10 absolutely crushes the lcd in shadow detail and motion.

We don't have measurements yet but these NeoPDP use 50% less electricity than their previous models. Should be somewhere between 250-275 watts calibrated.

To be fair, Panasonic has its 54" G panel coming out in May at a msrp of $2399, compared to the 55" 7100 msrp of $3799. This one's an easy choice folks.
post #162 of 520
What about someone who is using their HDTV for sound editing?

I will be looking at static images of waveforms ALL DAY LONG. I don't watch any television and very few movies. Will I experience burn-in from all the sound editing on the g10? Should I get the SAMMY instead? Money is not an issue.
post #163 of 520
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Samsung LED LCD is pretty much plasma quality.

Yes I agree. There is really not "that" much difference between these sets.

Good work to both Panasonic and Samsung. Competition is good.

Dennis.
post #164 of 520
Hmm... regarding the G10, it appears that AVS Forums have gotten a bit of fame, via CNET:

Update March 4: According to the Panasonic manual unearthed by the folks at AVS Forum, the G10 models will have 24p compatibility; previously, Panasonic indicated that the feature would be reserved for the step-up V10 line. It remains to be seen whether the feature introduces the same kind of flicker seen on last year's PZ800U and PZ850U models, or whether Panasonic's 24p implementation differs between the G10 and V10 lineup.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10186550-1.html
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post #165 of 520
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Originally Posted by SoapDoctor View Post

Exactly. The thing that hasn't been shown in pics or commented on is watching during the day. If the LCD is brighter during the day (not blacked out setting) it might be worth the price difference. I'm not really a videophile and I can sort of control the light in my living room but a brighter LCD might be a better move than a better/cheaper/dimmer plasma for me.

I'd like to hear a comparison with a lit room. If the LCD can hang with the plasma in dark does it pull away when it comes to watching saturday morning cartoons in full sun?

+1 Fully agree

To my eyes the Samsung looks a bit sharper (not that much) than the Panny and i don´t see any sign of black crush, but as it has been said many times "pictures don´t tell the full story" (or something similar, english is not my native language so please forgive any grammar or spelling mistakes i do my best and it takes ages for me to write a post ).

More than the pics (thanks a lot Chris btw) i´ll trust Chris and Chad´s conclusions on this Samsung vs Panasonic "faceoff".

Regards
post #166 of 520
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

-Chad feels the black are better on the Samsung Over both plasma's.

Now we just need evaluation on a bright room.
post #167 of 520
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Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post

To my eyes the Samsung looks a bit sharper (not that much)

Sammy is 55", Panny is 50". That's most of the reason
post #168 of 520
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Panasonic TC-P50G10



Samsung UN55B7100



Wow the Panasonic is revealing a lot more shadow details here. at least when viewing these pics on my Sony GDM-FW900 CRT.
post #169 of 520
I can't believe how much of the picture the Samsung is cutting off. Does it not have a dot by dot mode or similar?
post #170 of 520
hxxp://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/3574
hxxp://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/3576
See above screenshot compare of one of the pics. Clearly shows the differences in shadows.
edit: another one. sry for not beeing allowed to post real links
post #171 of 520
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Originally Posted by zapl View Post

hxxp://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/3574
See above screenshot compare of one of the pics. Clearly shows the differences in shadows.

Overall for me, the Samsung looks better, much better blacks and better contrast example around the eyes. Furthermore the G10 has strange orange tint in the picture.
post #172 of 520
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Originally Posted by Mathesar View Post

Wow the Panasonic is revealing a lot more shadow details here. at least when viewing these pics on my Sony GDM-FW900 CRT.

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Originally Posted by survineer View Post

I can't believe how much of the picture the Samsung is cutting off. Does it not have a dot by dot mode or similar?

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Originally Posted by zapl View Post

hxxp://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/3574
hxxp://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/3576
See above screenshot compare of one of the pics. Clearly shows the differences in shadows.
edit: another one. sry for not beeing allowed to post real links

In the city/traffic photo, I think that the Panasonic might have a slight bump in the shadow curve. The contrast looks a little more "full range" with the Samsung to me. It appears that the Panasonic is flattening out the image and also bit lighter than it should be in the lower end. I believe that the Samsung version is closer to the way the scene was intended.
In the photo of the city scene with the traffic in the lower left corner, take a look at the progress bar contrast and black level. The Panasonic is quite a bit lighter and washed out, and I do not believe that photo is useful for comparison

The rest of the A/B shots are more useful for comparison...
post #173 of 520
The Panasonic wins out in my mind. I am not crazy about how the Samsung is handling the shadows. Also, I have to believe that off-center viewing is going to be far better on the Plasma and the Samsung will only get worse.

Having said all that, and already owning a Panasonic plasma, my next tv in the upcoming couple of months will still be a Samsung B750 (LED sets are just too far out of my budget).
post #174 of 520
Chris, thank you very much. Great job.

Could you make photos with Sweeney Todd or Sin City films ????

With these films, we could see the real PQ (blacks and shadow detail) of the TVs (7100 and G10).

Thank you.
post #175 of 520
I agree with what a few others have noticed...it does seem the Samsung is cutting off quite a bit more of the image than the Panasonic. I know there can be small variations with this kind of thing between sets, but this seems pretty dramatic. Can you confirm both sets are properly configured? If so, what would account for such a dramatic amount of picture being cut off on the Samsung (and I am not talking about the stickers in the corners....there is quite a bit of picture cut off along the entire top of the images).

Thanks.
post #176 of 520
Wow, both displays look fantastic!
post #177 of 520
I'm gonna repost my questions from page 4:

I'd be interested in hearing more about the viewing angle degradation - at what angle does the Samsung's PQ begin to degrade, and how bad does it get? This is a critical issue for a lot of people and is often glossed over in these sorts of reviews.

Also curious about performance in various lighting conditions. How are the anti-glare properties, reflections? I've been shocked at the terrible reflections in the 2008 glossy screen Samsung LCDs. Is this the same, better?

jeff
post #178 of 520
It's really amazing that LCD technology has advanced to the point that it is considered right up there with Plasma. I know there are people that have a strong preference one way or the other but I don't think you can go wrong with any of the three sets in this shootout. More a personal preference and budget choice than anything else.
post #179 of 520
The shadow detail on the G10 is definitely superior. The building on the Sammy in the foreground just blends all together where on the Panny it has two clearly defined sides.

Kudos to Panny, can't wait to see the V-Series!
post #180 of 520
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Originally Posted by Lindseybp View Post

It's really amazing that LCD technology has advanced to the point that it is considered right up there with Plasma. .

We are already at that point. The Samsung 950 LCD has already surpassed anything Samsung or Panasonic have produced on the plasma side.
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