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post #211 of 520
3/12/09 at 7:45pm
Hey guys. I'm new to the forum. I did a lot of research and settled on the Panasonic TH-pz46800U. I have a 46 inch area to work with so that's why I did not get the 50. I ended up sending it back, because I tried to tune the picture, but no matter what I did I had grain in the the background and the picture was overall not that great.

Did I make a mistake here? The pictures I'm seeing on this thread make the picture look amazing, but it was horrible. I'm assuming the 46 and 50 of the same model should be exactly the same except for the size. What did I do wrong here?
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post #212 of 520
3/12/09 at 7:58pm
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Originally Posted by jiopsi View Post

Stop that stupid rant already. We all know you are plasma fanboy, no need to emphasize it all the time.

If you have a set of working (unbiased) eyes it's pretty easy to see the plasma shows a lot more shadow detail it its picture.
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post #213 of 520
3/12/09 at 8:10pm
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Originally Posted by StinDaWg View Post

If you have a set of working (unbiased) eyes it's pretty easy to see the plasma shows a lot more shadow detail it its picture.

Yes, and Samsung shows a lot more detail in the brighter end, and has better blacks and sharper image. Wasn't the point really.
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post #214 of 520
3/12/09 at 8:13pm
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Your both right ^^^ Now this weekend come out and see with your own eyes and we can jam to some Swans......
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post #215 of 520
3/12/09 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday916 View Post

Hey guys. I'm new to the forum. I did a lot of research and settled on the Panasonic TH-pz46800U. I have a 46 inch area to work with so that's why I did not get the 50. I ended up sending it back, because I tried to tune the picture, but no matter what I did I had grain in the the background and the picture was overall not that great.

Did I make a mistake here? The pictures I'm seeing on this thread make the picture look amazing, but it was horrible. I'm assuming the 46 and 50 of the same model should be exactly the same except for the size. What did I do wrong here?

DocHolliday,

The 800u that you are seeing here was professionally calibrated. Check into ISF calibration, I have never had it done on my sets but I think its around $300-$500 depending on who does it for you. (Someone correct me if I am wrong, Thank You)
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post #216 of 520
3/12/09 at 8:49pm
Chris,
Is there an option on the Samsung to disable that annoying pilot light at the bottom of the unit? (or is duct tape the only option?)
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post #217 of 520
3/12/09 at 9:28pm
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Your both right ^^^ Now this weekend come out and see with your own eyes and we can jam to some Swans......

I'd love to come look in person but I think the gas I'd burn getting up there would come close to buying one of the two.
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post #218 of 520
3/12/09 at 9:29pm
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Originally Posted by David_AD View Post

Chris,
Is there an option on the Samsung to disable that annoying pilot light at the bottom of the unit? (or is duct tape the only option?)

Yes all the samsungs can turn off the light . It is an option in the menu.
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post #219 of 520
3/12/09 at 9:29pm
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Originally Posted by David_AD View Post

Chris,
Is there an option on the Samsung to disable that annoying pilot light at the bottom of the unit? (or is duct tape the only option?)

I was a bit concerned about that too. IF there is no option to disable it I think I'd nightshade it rather than tape it. Little more of a finished look.
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post #220 of 520
3/12/09 at 9:46pm
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It can be turned off.
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post #221 of 520
3/13/09 at 2:19am
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Originally Posted by StinDaWg View Post

[The G10 is] cheaper, [has] better viewing angle, and better picture. Seems like a no brainer to me.

Cheaper, for sure, and that is a major plus. Viewing angle may or may not be such a big deal, depending on the set-up. Better picture? I agree that, from the pics anyway, the G10 seems to be a bit better. But I could see some ppl preferring the Sammy, or considering the two sets to be pretty equal.

It is fairly close actually, though I'm sure the plasma patriot squad will shout "a thousand times no!".
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post #222 of 520
3/13/09 at 2:33am
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Originally Posted by David_AD View Post

In the photo of the city scene with the traffic in the lower left corner, take a look at the progress bar contrast and black level. The Panasonic is quite a bit lighter and washed out, and I do not believe that photo is useful for comparison

IMO I don't think any photo is useful for comparison. There are too many external factors that influence the end result eg exposure, lighting conditions, camera shake etc
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post #223 of 520
3/13/09 at 6:31am
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday916 View Post

Hey guys. I'm new to the forum. I did a lot of research and settled on the Panasonic TH-pz46800U. I have a 46 inch area to work with so that's why I did not get the 50. I ended up sending it back, because I tried to tune the picture, but no matter what I did I had grain in the the background and the picture was overall not that great.

Did I make a mistake here? The pictures I'm seeing on this thread make the picture look amazing, but it was horrible. I'm assuming the 46 and 50 of the same model should be exactly the same except for the size. What did I do wrong here?

I sold my 50" PZ80U because i didn't like all the noise on it. There was grain on pretty much everything, and from what i read, Panasonic TVs have more dithering than other TVs. I bought a 52" 650 and no grain unless its in the source
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post #224 of 520
3/13/09 at 7:24am
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Originally Posted by trinityblade View Post

IMO I don't think any photo is useful for comparison. There are too many external factors that influence the end result eg exposure, lighting conditions, camera shake etc

I agree technically but it is better than nothing. You do get a sense that the blacks are in the same range as the plasma and that both screens look really,really good. A few grains of salt and a good margarita will help.
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post #225 of 520
3/13/09 at 7:35am
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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 View Post

I sold my 50" PZ80U because i didn't like all the noise on it. There was grain on pretty much everything, and from what i read, Panasonic TVs have more dithering than other TVs. I bought a 52" 650 and no grain unless its in the source

Noise in the 80u series is a common complaint
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post #226 of 520
3/13/09 at 8:14am
No burn in, no IR, the ability to watch tv with the lights on or during the day. The this one is easy guys...... Samsung lcd all the way.
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post #227 of 520
3/13/09 at 8:22am
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Originally Posted by jhinesjr View Post

No burn in, no IR, the ability to watch tv with the lights on or during the day. The this one is easy guys...... Samsung lcd all the way.

No off angle washout, No clouding or Backlight bleed, no motion resolution loss. This one is easy, Panasonic plasma all the way.

It works both ways, neither tech is perfect, they both have flaws, and looking forward, all tech in development has similar flaws as well. Buy which even tech has the least amount of flaws that bother you.
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post #228 of 520
3/13/09 at 8:25am
Regarding motion resolution, does these edgeLED-models apply LED-backlight scanning?
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post #229 of 520
3/13/09 at 9:34am
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Originally Posted by SystemShock2 View Post

Viewing angle may or may not be such a big deal, depending on the set-up.

Off angle washout is terrible on the lcd.


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post #230 of 520
3/13/09 at 9:47am
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Originally Posted by jhinesjr View Post

No burn in, no IR, the ability to watch tv with the lights on or during the day. The this one is easy guys...... Samsung lcd all the way.

I can't believe people are still using the ol' "no burn in, no IR" argument against plasmas. Current generation plasmas (and the anti-IR technologies) have so little IR or burn in that it isn't even a concern anymore. I have a Panasonic 800U and use it for gaming (PS3) and for my HTPC and IR doesn't last more than a few seconds. Get with the times!
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post #231 of 520
3/13/09 at 10:02am
What about connectivity?
I'm seeing Best Buy and Cleveland Plasma marking the Sammy as having only HDMI, 1 component and 1 pc connection?
I mean, what happens if, gosh forbid, you want to hook up a low def source to it?
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post #232 of 520
3/13/09 at 10:39am
what's your approx. viewing distance from the samsung 7100?
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post #233 of 520
3/13/09 at 11:52am
Just a question... ...maybe Cleveland Plasma is the only one able to answer ?
Does anybody have a picture of the remote control ?
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post #234 of 520
3/13/09 at 12:46pm
G10 is definitely a contender for me.

Cleveland Plasma, in your opinion does the G10 have that "pop" 3D like PQ you see in many of the LCDs?
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post #235 of 520
3/13/09 at 12:55pm
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Just a question... ...maybe Cleveland Plasma is the only one able to answer ?
Does anybody have a picture of the remote control ?

I would like to see that too
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post #236 of 520
3/13/09 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by StinDaWg View Post

Off angle washout is terrible on the lcd.



I don't have a seat that has nearly that bad of an angle..... I guess it would suck for people who do though
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post #237 of 520
3/13/09 at 2:59pm
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^^^^ You can say that again

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what's your approx. Viewing distance from the samsung 7100?

9ft

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G10 is definitely a contender for me.
Cleveland Plasma, in your opinion does the G10 have that "pop" 3D like PQ you see in many of the LCDs?

I think the LED's have more 3D pop.
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post #238 of 520
3/13/09 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by omeletpants View Post

We are already at that point. The Samsung 950 LCD has already surpassed anything Samsung or Panasonic have produced on the plasma side.

Not so long as it's crushing blacks.

Not so long as it's cropping that much of the image. Dot by Dot verdict in yet?
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post #239 of 520
3/13/09 at 3:22pm
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Originally Posted by Arcona View Post

Sammy is 55", Panny is 50". That's most of the reason

Um, actually the reverse is true.

Anytime you have two displays with the same resolution, the one with the smaller panel size should always look sharper because the pixels are smaller, as well as the gaps between the pixels.
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post #240 of 520
3/13/09 at 4:16pm
you tried gaming with the samsung 7100? Has input lag improved?
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