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My LS6's have arrived!

post #1 of 49
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My LS6's just arrived today and I wanted to share my thoughts here. They are the piano black finish and are really quite stunning. The finish is impeccable - no flaws of any kind that I could find. As a reference point, I had auditioned a pair of LS6's that didn't "wow" me after I had already ordered, and was more than a little worried that I might not be completely satisfied with them.

My doubts about the LS6's are put to rest! These truly are exceptionally good speakers, regardless of price. Right out of the box, the sound was very dynamic, detailed and surprisingly smooth (paired with my Onkyo PR-SC885 Pre/Pro and Behringer EP2500). This is quite a contrast to what I heard in the pair I auditioned . The high end, while not as extended as the Focal Beryllium tweeters I've heard on the Grande Utopias, didn't seem to be lacking anything. It is true that the highs do roll off noticeable when I stand up, but the sound is not bad at all even then. The sound stage is HUGE and imaging is excellent. The sweet spot is also huge in the horizontal direction, spanning most of the width between the speakers, in my opinion. The speakers are placed about 7' apart in a 15' x 18' room along the 15' wall, about 18" from the back wall and toed in about 15 degrees or so. The listening position is about 10' from the front baffles. One other thing to note is that I crossed them over to my dual SVS PB13 Ultras at 45 Hz. I initially ran them full range, but they didn't really impress me with their first octave performance. The SVS's do these frequencies with a greater sense of effortlessness, in my opinion.

What impresses me most about these speakers is everything from the mid-bass up through the entire midrange. Drums sound very realistic, with all the subtle textures of the drum stick hitting. Brass instruments are silky smooth and realistic sounding. All the textures of the plucking and strumming of stringed instruments is there with excellent detail. Vocals, both male and female, are done exceptionally well. Even Sarah McLachlan "Sweet Surrender," which always sounded edgy on my Mackies, sounds smooth on the LS6's.

Bravo, AV123!! All my skepticism has been washed away - these speakers are the real deal !





As you can see above, my listening room is also my living room where my 11 month old son plays most of the time . Fortunately, we will soon be moving to a house where we'll have a dedicated home theater/listening room.
post #2 of 49
Wow! How much did those things cost?
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Originally Posted by blued888 View Post

Wow! How much did those things cost?

Check Av123's website, or better yet call them and ask for their best price ...
post #4 of 49
LOL @ The babygate. That's awfully close to the rear walls, I'd move them out a bit. Those huge ports gotta breathe!

Oh, and you should invest in an X-Voce for a center channel, perhaps.
post #5 of 49
Yeah, I think you need a couple more feet (at least) off the wall!
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Very nice! Its about time someone had these in their home!!

Arrays just kick serious butt....what is that Center Channel, its looks like a Geddes build but I guess its a mackie?

You really driving the arrays with the Behringer? Im impressed
post #7 of 49
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Yeah, I think you need a couple more feet (at least) off the wall!

Since I'm crossing over these to my SVS subs at 45 Hz, I don't think the ports are putting out a lot. But when I move and have a dedicated room, I'll definitely move them out more. Compromises one makes for the family .
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LOL @ The babygate. That's awfully close to the rear walls, I'd move them out a bit. Those huge ports gotta breathe!

Oh, and you should invest in an X-Voce for a center channel, perhaps.

The center channel will soon be replaced. I'm actually thinking of a JTR Triple 12LF. I've been reading some really good things about them, and think they would have the dynamics, clarity and neutrality to match the LS6's nicely.
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Originally Posted by penngray View Post

Very nice! Its about time someone had these in their home!!

Arrays just kick serious butt....what is that Center Channel, its looks like a Geddes build but I guess its a mackie?

You really driving the arrays with the Behringer? Im impressed

Yeah, the center channel is a Mackie HR824mk2. I have five of them that I was using for my home theater, but they are now for sale.

I was VERY pleasantly surprised with the Behringer! Seems like all the "true" audiophiles scorn such things, but I'm telling you these things sound REALLY good. And I'm talking about nuances and all, not just big dynamics (which it has in spades). For example, on Tori Amos "Little Earthquakes", I can easily hear so many of the subtleties and textures in her voice that make it sound very realistic especially on an acapella song. So for now, the Behringer is MORE than adequate.
post #10 of 49
Looks great! It took me about 2 years to finally receive mine. Hopefully you didn't have to go thru all that waiting.

I'm in the process of making some acoustic panels to place behind these puppies. Hopefully, they'll sound even better
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Looks great! It took me about 2 years to finally receive mine. Hopefully you didn't have to go thru all that waiting.

I'm in the process of making some acoustic panels to place behind these puppies. Hopefully, they'll sound even better

Thanks! I'd imagine room treatments would help clean up the bottom octave performance a bit. I feel really bad for you and other people that had to wait so long to get there's . I was really fortunate, actually. I ordered a Rocket system around Christmas and had it delivered late January with all kinds of quality control mishaps. Plus the fact they didn't really "wow" me - they were only a small step up from my Mackie monitors, and not even in every regard at that. So when returning the Rockets for a full credit, I decided to take the LS6 plunge. They were in stock and shipped about 3 weeks later.
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Thanks! I'd imagine room treatments would help clean up the bottom octave performance a bit. I feel really bad for you and other people that had to wait so long to get there's . I was really fortunate, actually. I ordered a Rocket system around Christmas and had it delivered late January with all kinds of quality control mishaps. Plus the fact they didn't really "wow" me - they were only a small step up from my Mackie monitors, and not even in every regard at that. So when returning the Rockets for a full credit, I decided to take the LS6 plunge. They were in stock and shipped about 3 weeks later.

Very cool. Glad you were able to get it so quickly. I'm building bass traps next to clean up the lows just a little bit in my room. What bass setting do you have the bass module set to, btw? I love the clean bass that these babies produce. I just run them without a sub for music. Depending on how powerful an amp you are using, you can go pretty low with a powerful amp. I'm planning to upgrade my amp (Emo LPA1) to smooth out the highs a bit.
post #13 of 49
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Very cool. Glad you were able to get it so quickly. I'm building bass traps next to clean up the lows just a little bit in my room. What bass setting do you have the bass module set to, btw? I love the clean bass that these babies produce. I just run them without a sub for music. Depending on how powerful an amp you are using, you can go pretty low with a powerful amp. I'm planning to upgrade my amp (Emo LPA1) to smooth out the highs a bit.

My bass setting is full output (i.e. no roll-off), I assume - exactly as the arrived out of the box. But as I mentioned earlier, I prefer the deep bass quality of my SVS PB13 Ultra's below about 45 Hz anyway. Maybe it was the proximity to my back wall with the LS6's, I'm not sure...
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My bass setting is full output (i.e. no roll-off), I assume - exactly as the arrived out of the box. But as I mentioned earlier, I prefer the deep bass quality of my SVS PB13 Ultra's below about 45 Hz anyway. Maybe it was the proximity to my back wall with the LS6's, I'm not sure...

Hmmm...you'll have to unscrew the plate in the back of each speaker (where the binding posts are) to find out which setting the jumpers are on. I think they usually ship with a 'medium' setting.

I'd love to have a PB13 to see what that monster can do. Hopefully, I can have an MFW15 here shortly. I might upgrade to a different subwoofer later in the year (maybe a Rhythmik 15).

I wish I had a larger (than 16x22) room to put these babies in. They have plenty of space from the side walls, but not enough space from the front wall. Given enough spacing, they will produce a crazy good 3-D image/soundstage.
post #15 of 49
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was VERY pleasantly surprised with the Behringer! Seems like all the "true" audiophiles scorn such things, but I'm telling you these things sound REALLY good. And I'm talking about nuances and all, not just big dynamics (which it has in spades). For example, on Tori Amos "Little Earthquakes", I can easily hear so many of the subtleties and textures in her voice that make it sound very realistic especially on an acapella song. So for now, the Behringer is MORE than adequate.

Very, very cool. I have more expensive pro amps (FACE F1200TS, QSC1850, etc) I have much more expensive commerical amps (Sunfire, Outlaw) but my Ep2500 always, always held its own and its a DIY favorite. Its just a rebadged QSC 2450! Its great to know you got past the "behringer" name and REALLY cheap price and found out how good they can be.

Room treatments, custom room with a 120" screen is your next goal
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Room treatments, custom room with a 120" screen is your next goal

I'm sure I'll get there soon enough...just need to buy the house first .
post #17 of 49
Wow, very nice. Do AV123 make a matching center for these?

Also for the acoustic treatment, what kind of panels to put at the back of speakers? mid-high, high bass, or mid-low bass?
post #18 of 49
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Wow, very nice. Do AV123 make a matching center for these?


Um....yes a third one !!!

These are meant to be placed behind something like a big AT screen.

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Also for the acoustic treatment, what kind of panels to put at the back of speakers? mid-high, high bass, or mid-low bass?

2" thick OC703 or Rockwool 60...etc will control frequences down to about 125Hz but anything under that needs much thicker treatements.
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Originally Posted by MameXP View Post

Wow, very nice. Do AV123 make a matching center for these?

Also for the acoustic treatment, what kind of panels to put at the back of speakers? mid-high, high bass, or mid-low bass?

Wouldn't that be nice if they made a matching center channel...Unfortunately, not at this time although one has been in the works for some time. I'd order it immediately if there was one.

No room treatments yet, and none planned. The bass is exceptionally clean already, probably due in part to the fact that my room is open to the kitchen, dining area and two sets of stairs. No boominess or over-emphasis of anything that I can hear - just very nice, quick detailed bass that is powerful when called upon and doesn't linger.
post #20 of 49
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Just a note about using the Behringer amp - always turn the attenuator knobs all the way up (no attenuation). Maybe that's obvious, but I was experimenting with level matching with the subs and had about 6 dB attenuation for a while. This really killed a lot of the detail, subtleties and imaging, in my opinion...
post #21 of 49
Good thing you like black...
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Good thing you like black...

Nah, what makes you say that?
post #23 of 49
Welcome to the club! You got to love that piano black!

Here are mine.

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post #24 of 49
Good God these things are HUGE! Looks like you mean business!
post #25 of 49
They look so nice in piano black. Not to mention its alot easier to match with the decor.

Quick question tho, for the price range, would it be absolute the best?
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Welcome to the club! You got to love that piano black!

Here are mine.

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Thank you and very nice picture. Do you have a center channel in your setup?
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Quick question tho, for the price range, would it be absolute the best?

I think that's for each person to decide for themselves, as I didn't audition extensively in this price range. But having said that, these are damn good speakers that give you a huge chunk of the overall sound quality I heard when I auditioned $100k+ JM Labs Focal Grande Utopia system powered with McIntosh monoblock amps. And that is saying a lot given that these are in my living room without any room treatments and not ideally spaced from the back wall and powered with a $300 Behringer amp. Dynamics, bass and midrange are very similar quality. The treble and imaging are definitely solid on the LS6's but the Focal's are just ridiculously good in these regards as they should be given their cost.
post #28 of 49
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Originally Posted by mjbuoni View Post

Thank you and very nice picture. Do you have a center channel in your setup?

I've recently added a Ref 100 in Piano Black. It looks and sounds great. I've heard others recommend the X-VOCE but I wanted the fronts to all be in PB.
post #29 of 49
Matt.... I am very happy to see you got those beautiful looking speakers, I wish I could live closer to have a listen myself...

Congratulations my friend... very impressive... ~~~~
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Matt.... I am very happy to see you got those beautiful looking speakers, I wish I could live closer to have a listen myself...

Congratulations my friend... very impressive... ~~~~

Thank you, Patrick! You're certainly welcome to give them a listen if you're ever out this way. It's such a great feeling to be completely satisfied with one's purchase - to know you'd buy it all over again in a second .

By the way, I enjoyed reading about you sub GTG. I'd love to hear one of those LMS-18's. Nice work!
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