Official Cary Cinema 11a/11v Owner's Thread - Page 52

Thats interesting jyam ; its not there at the moment and the older 1.05 is . Not the 1st time a firmware has been pulled ;probably be back soon after a tinker ?
No 1 sounds like a fix for random squeals that happen infrequently
Well there you go it just came back

I reckon this means that it could manually be set to +15dB.
It is just the Factory setting (preset value) that is 0dB.
I hope it remembers my settings after upgrade.

All values are reset to default during upgrade when you press 8523 on the remote after the upgrade.
I have done the upgrade to 1.07 today and run som small tests. Seem fine so far. Couldn´t find any differences, but according to the documentation it seems that the upgrade is minor compared to the previous ones.

I updated to 1.07 and had to switch back to 1.06. The cary wouldn't stay locked on any of my sources audio signals. It also kept locking up. I'll try again sometime and post back but as far as I can tell 1.06 is more stable. Of course it's possible the firmware didn't load correctly.

I also have gone back to 1.06. The inputs seem more stable with 1.06. With 1.07 I started to get some pops which I haven´t had with the 1.06.

But PLIIx seems to be unstable with HD Audio for both 1.06 and 1.07. I lose the signal in my rear channels when I switch inputs or when I press pause. If I press PLIIx twice (turning it off and then on again) it comes back and I have sound in my rear channels again. Very annoying.

Anyone else who has this problem? I really hope Cary will fix this soon.

I got the pops, but only in my SR & SL speakers.
Signal lock-on for PS3 Slim is as before. Works randomly.

If you switch to another source that gives 5.1 it might be that you are supposed to re-invoke PLIIx to get 7.1, but not when pressing pause obviously. Then it should remember your settings for sure.

No, this also happens with Pause. I have tested several times, with different sources and inputs. PLIIx is shown in the display all the time, but I have no sound in the rear channels. If I turn PLIIx off and on again it comes back. Weird!

I have seen this as well.
After 1.06 the vfd just keep showing the current codec in a sustained manner (a bit too eager to not revert to No signal), and it sometimes also gives out sound, still if the vfd says No signal.

OK, finally I got my dream av processor Cary Cinema 11a with a big free gift headache last week. I change to 11a from last 2 generation AV receiver Onkyo 906 which I have happy with it for 2 years.

After I change to 11a, I noted that there are many issues on Cary HDMI input and surround mode. The HDMIs are extremely unstable, they always get wrong format from the players after jumping the chapter or fast ward the movie. Secondly, the surround modes are useless; at most of time I can only use prologicIIx to extend the 5.1 channels to 7.1 channels. However, the surround back will loss the signal after I jumping the chapter or pressing the fast ward button of my player. I have to re-press the prologicII button on the Cary's remote to get the sound from my surround back speakers again.

I admitted that the sound quality is amazing, but it is very unstable.

I hope Cary's engineer can fix the HDMI's issues and by updating the firmware asap.

Do you have 1.07 onboard?
Is it a 08 or 09 version you have?

Hi Extreman

Yes, mine is 09 version with 1.07 onboard.

Thanks for this input. It was good for me to hear that I was not the only one with this problem. You have a 09 unit and I have a 08 unit so it seems that this is only firmware related then.

The PLIIx problem I have is only with Bitstream signals. I have now changed my Blu-Ray player to output LPCM and the problem is gone. I can live with this until Cary fixes the problem.

One way of ensuring that there will come a new upgrade is to spend hours setting it up after a factory reset. The second you hit confirm, a new release will be available from Cary

- Extremans Law

I have installed the 1.07 firmware, and it didn't take long before there was something wrong. But I just used the "Swedish method", as we say in Norway: Pulled out the plug in the wall, waited a couple of minutes, and plugged it in again. Have just worked since I did it, on saturday. Mine is a 08-version. It has been many hours with frustration, I have to admit. Have no problem with HDMI, neither with the Theta Compli Blu or the HD-PVR. Have had som problem with balance, and for a long time I believed the mid-range in one of my Infinity Renaissance 90 was destroyed, but suddenly everything worked fine. So right now everything is OK. Best regards Nils

Armand ; is this pl2x problem with broadcast tv or bluray for example ? Is it replicated only through hdmi or with a spdif connection as well ? This is my experience with a sp dif output ; ymmv with hdmi instead - Tv out here is broadcast with pcm and dd channels and the dd ones are much more aggressive with surround steering depending on the mix so it can seem there is no output at times ,

Ive tried jumping inputs with and without different surround codecs and the same channels always repeat the same back surround behaviour ; pl2x can be very subtle at times and can do nothing when on a talk show for example but giving it a flagged surround matrix to decode can make all the difference Never had the backs drop out after a pause . Will try a bd disc tomorrow and see what happens .

Anthony ; never had a codec change like that ;the cary edid asks the source what to send . How are the other dsp modes like ces7.1 and dts neo logic and do they switch automatically when fed different signals ?

I have had this problem with bitstream signals through HDMI only. No problems with toslink/spdif inputs and also not with all other signal types through HDMI. For those the Cinema 11a is working perfectly.

I only have one source that outputs bitstream, my Theta Compli Blu player, so I have only been able to reproduce this error with this source.

I unplugged the unit for 5 minutes now, but that didn´t help. I will unplug it for the whole night and try again tomorrow.

Do you also use PLIIx in a 7.x setup?

No, I only have 5 speakers. Bi-amping the fronts. But I use PLII and DTS NEO on the HD PVR. Because this unit don't send DD over HDMI, I use TosLink to the 11a, and send the picture directly to the display via HDMI. No difference with HDMI to the 11a exept for the lack of DD on the channels that sends DD. Hope the unplugging will help, but 5 minutes should have been enough.
Best regards.

hi cwt

I have 2 players linked with Cary 11a with HDMI
1) Popcorn Hour C200 (with VDH ulitamte 2M HDMI)
2) Sony S350 (with VDH Flat 2M HDMI)

My Cary 11a was came with v1.07 firmware, after the installation
I got the following issues at the frist two days:-

1) Sometimes, when I playing a blu-ray disc, Cary 11a front display said "No signal", but the speakers have sound.

2) If the input signal is PCM 2.0 48, the speakers will output a very high note sound if I pressed the prologic or CES 7.1 button, I have to stop my player to fix it.

3) the prologicIIx will lost the signal in srround back after jumpping the chapter or pressing fastward, it will come back again if I press the prologicIIx button twice.

4) the last one issue is the biggest issue for me: the mid range frequency was gone..all punch are missing..but the lowest frequency are too much casuing booming in my room.
This issue was fixed at the 3rd night after the local dealer treach me to reset the cary by pressing 8-5-1-2.....I have wounderful sound for 2 days. However, the mid range frequency was gone again......PS I have already set up all the channel level, crossover frequency, etc

tonight...I will try nilsos's method to pull out the pwoer cable from the wall and plug in again.

Have tried a 5.1 dts hdma disc Armand and can confirm that with 1.06 it does drop out the back surrounds with pl2x and a track skip [oppo bdp83]and also after a pause . Usually listen to lossless discs without any dsp as the director intended but this is something that should be fixed for sure
It is a major discrepancy that ces7.1 and dts neo6 both can be applied to a lossless lpcm stream but are ruled out if the cary does the decoding .

I can confirm the same.
On 5.1 source you have to toggle the PLIIx button and then re-invoke it every time you hit e.g. track fwd/rw button on a HDMI source.
For native 7.1 everything is fine.
It would be nice if some elementary testing was done by Cary.
No need to store away the microphone prior to next upgrade, I suppose.
I do not intend to reset everything the next time. It is very time consuming to set it up again.
There should be a way to either keep my settings or to save it somehow, e.g. over the RS232 as ASCII.
Everything is not wiped away either. As an example Input1 was still named 'Stereo' after upgrade and full factory reset.

Also;
I installed two 10dB attenuators on my C11a SL & SR outputs.
Pops & clicks are now almost gone.
C11a does not like gain exceeding +5-6dB for the Balance in my setup.

When playing blu rays with dolby digital codecs I have no luck getting the Cary to decode them. Many regular dvds give me the same problem, the Cary just shows dts on the readout. The sound appears to be in surround mode, however dts it not the proper sound format. I also quite often get a delay on my subwoofer that can be corrected by messing with the a/v delay setting and then setting it back to 0 delay. Then the sub is in perfect sync when playing cd's and my ipod. This always occurs when using the CES 7.1 All Stereo mode. Sometimes when I toggle back and forth through the surround modes the delay moves to my surround right speaker. Once again moving the delay to 1ms and back to 0 remedies the situation. For blu ray, dvd's, and cd's I use an Oppo BDP-83 via hdmi. The ipod is hooked up via analog with dsp engaged. I have a serial #08 Ver. 1.07 Cary Cinema 11A. Same problem existed with Ver. 1.06 firmware. Anyone else experiencing these problems?

Both my Oppo BDP-83 and Cary Cinema 11A are set to bitstream, however same problems occured when trying pcm.

Does anyone prefer update 1.07 to 1.06. I have a 09 11a with 1.06 installed and have had very little problems with it. I have set my maximum volume to 0db in 1.06 so I don't see any advantage there.

I don't want to go through the update and reset all of my values if there is no advantage to 1.07 or worse yet I have to revert back to 1.06 for some reason.

In reading this thread, has anyone simply given up and abandoned this SSP and moved on? It seems like the piece is simply defective and will never work properly. Seems like too much to put up with despite whatever it costs to replace it. True (or are the grmelins here not so difficult to live with)?

I think its all relative to an extent ; I have told our distributor of the back surround dropping out but its relatively nothing in the scheme of things as theres a workaround ie sending decoded instead until its fixed . Apart from that mines fine [it helps the firmware keeps getting better ] People dont post when there busy enjoying movies..

Would I trade it for another ces' ;not with the problems they are haveing by a long shot . Those with well thought of 2ch sections like Arcam; NAD ; Cambridge Audio even Harman Kardon or Emotiva have hdmi problems to a greater or lesser extent I couldnt condone a pre pro that wouldnt pass a 1080p/24 signal through it untouched for example so many reasons out there If I had to choose another ce the narrow list would start with anthem ; but I prefer my video circuitry in another box ; more separation the better .

Good news everyone ; I got in contact with our distributor about the back surround dropout and consequently ;


Also for anyone considering 3d

Wow, that sounds really promising.

+1. Hope it works for you guys!