Official Cary Cinema 11a/11v Owner's Thread - Page 63

No bass management on it, either, it seems.

Interesting point Kal ; I wonder if other pre pro's redirect the low pass bass from the other speakers for 5.0 sacd's and whether that would be good from the standpoint of what the recording engineers intend ?

Would certainly be a good option if your l/r speakers dont have an extended low frequency

I should have been more specific. When I play a 5.0 DSD SACD via HDMI with the XA5400ES set to multichannel, the 11a displays DSD 5.1. The 11a seems to fail to recognize the absence of a .1 channel; it does not provide bass management. (I suppose the .1 channel is supposed to carry the bass information.)

I have the crossover set to 80 Hz to unburden my amps and speakers by sending LF through a Velodyne SMS-1 to a pair of HGS-15s. My PS3 and DirecTV HD-DVR both go via HDMI through a DVDO Edge that does not pass DSD even if presented with it, and my PS3 does not output DSD.

db

Most of them do bass management with every digital source unless explicitly set up not to. I think this is important and has nothing to do with the recordist's intent. You should use BM because of your speaker/room setup, independent of the recording, and the LFE channel should not be needed for music at all.

Thanks Kal;some of these remixes they like to put different instruments into the surrounds etc and is another good reason to strive for full range speakers all round so bass redirection isnt a factor at allGood thing music doesnt plum the sort of depths bd movies do these days..

Yes, as I stated in my previous post, SACD knows only one multichannel configuration: six channel. Any unused channels are just filled with null data, so they are not truly absent.

If you output DSD from a 3.0 or 4.0 channel SACD to the 11a, I bet the 11a display still indicates "DSD 5.1."

AJ

I agree with Kal that LFE shouldn't be necessary for music and that we can rely on bass management. Nevertheless, at least my 11a does not seem to do bass management for multichannel recordings, except those recorded in 5.1 or 7.1. That was the point of my original post. For those of you intimately familiar with the 11a, could I have something set up in such a way that I've turned off bass management for 5.0 recordings?

db

I'm here
Apparently the AVS notification must have slipped by (?)
I just thought that the tread has been dead for the last couple of months.
My biggest problem is lock-on with Edge as the Repeater with PS3 as source. I need to press HDMI1 10-15 times for the sound to become stable. Every time I press the source button I hear sound for about 1/2 sec. and then silence. When it finally locks on it sometimes say No signal.

Does anyone know if the latest hardware upgrade fixes any of the lock on problems? If it does I just might have to bite the bullet and pay the several hundred to make the unit I paid several thousand for functional.

I am afraid that this problem does not entirely reside on the sink side.
I have asked AnchorBay to look into it after we successfully solved the HD sound over HDMI.

Platinum sold his recently but said this Mike ;

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post20312678

I don't have any more problems with pops or clicks since I sent my 08 unit in for the 09 upgrade so whatever software version that was did fix that problem. I do still get dropouts over coax and optical and often the unit freezes and won't even turn off. Sometimes you can toggle between inputs and correct it right away. It never happens over hdmi or analog

anyone else upgrade to 1.4??- Curious as to see if it solved the problems- question if using just for movies are the problems the same as with music??

Well I just got my 11A back with the 1.4 upgrade and I'm having the same issue hanggaw experienced.

On the good side: It looks like the 1.4 upgrade fixed the problems with pops and clicks. None so far!

On the bad side:

I have the Oppo BDP-83 SE and Pioneer 5080 HD attached to the unit via HDMI. I also have no sound unless the TV is on (and the HDMI cable is still plugged to the Cary). Mine also didn't do this before the upgrade. All HDMI CEC functions are off. Does anybody else have this problem and figure out a way to solve?

Thanks
Mark

Hello Mark. The HDMI issue that I described before is still unresolved. I am waiting for a firmware fix from Cary.

I described and emailed Dan Wemmer regarding this problem at Dan@caryaudio.com about a month ago. I would suggest that you do the same, to remind him that my problem is not an isolated case. He mentioned that he would have somebody look into it then. I haven't followed up with him yet lately.

I noticed that the Cary Cinema 11A has no on/off toggle for the HDMI CEC function. I would think that the problem could be bypassed if the HDMI CEC function of the Cary could be turned off. My TV (Pioneer Elite Pro151) and my Bluray player (Oppo BDP-93) both have the on/off option for the HDMI CEC functions. The Cary does not have this.

Manny

Good news on the clicking Mark but the hdmi repeating should definitely get a firmware fix If you want a fix at another cost the hdmi detective should help;

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/switc...tive-plus.html

Manny/CWT

Thanks, passed all of this to Cary and my dealer.

Just ordered the Gefen.

Thanks

The HDMI 1.4 upgrade is still worth it IMO. This is of course if you really like the sound, etc and do not want to change. Lock-on's are quick, minimal crackles (only with a change in format DD True HD and they are much quieter), I have yet to have a pop unless it occurred in my messing with functions to alleviate the display on issue.

The issue I and hanggaw are having are related to music only. Display not on - no sound. If using strictly for movies this is not an issue.

The 11A still sounds really good, or I wouldn't be messing with it. It's form factor (size) and sound quality for the money are what I was after.

I have a Gefen HDMI Detective+ inbound today and I'll see if that helps my display on issue. I also have a dealer who is REALLY on Cary (received a lengthy e-mail yesterday from Cary) and I feel this should get resolved.

Hopefully anyhow

Mark

Has anyone tried to engage CES 7.1 all channel stereo when playing stereo 192/24 tracks over hdmi. I can't get it to engage unless the tracks are stereo 96/24 or lower. Any thoughts on this? The manual states that it should work.

Gefen didn't work, dealer took the Cary back yesterday. They do have a firmware fix about ready for the display issue. They will be using the Cinema 12 firmware for the 11A to fix the HDMI-CEC/ARC issue. Been fun and short lived, loved the sound!!! But not the pops, etc.

This is the first piece of electronics I have ever returned!!!

Hi I listened to a Cinema 12 unit and was floored by the sound. However the unit has too many issues - missing the 1st second of the music with digital sources, the worst being sending a loud thump to the speakers when stopping play in the middle of a song. Does the cinema 11a with HDMI 1.3 have these issues?

Yes, particularly if you change formats (DVD-A to SACD)

What do you mean by change formats? If you have your SACD running then you will have to eject it out before you insert a DVD Audio rite. Are you saying that then at stopping it makes the noise. Or DO you mean you have multiple sources connected to the Cary?

I'm saying if I changed a disc (SACD to DVD-A or Bluray to either) the Cary would pop. It doesn't handle format changes well.

With the 1.4 upgrade I didn't experience as many but they were still there, particularly in the above scenario.

Hello.
I am a new owner of a cinema 11a, and the 7.125 amp. I have been reading most of the threads about this amp, and was worried if i would end up with a lot of trouble. So far so good, it works fine, as long as i use xlr interconnects between pre and pro.
I do have some questions that i hope somebody could help me with.
I feed the music to the 11a from a apple mac mini through optical cable. But have have not yet figured out how to get a plain stere signal this way. If i use the button plIIx it toggles between pl2 music , pl2 movie and pcm. In both pl2 modes it gives me 5.1 , and in pcm it gives me 2.1? How do i get just 2 channel stereo ??
Question 2. Is there a way to configure each input so when i select input 2 it changes to pl2 music, and then when i select input 3 it selects pcm ?

Best regards
Lars

Depends on how you have configured your x-over settings for your main speakers.


No, there isn´t.

ps. I encourage you to get either a good firewire or usb to spdif converter between your mac mini and the C11a. It will improve the sound quite a lot.

hello.
thanks for a quick reply. How should i set my x-over for main speakers. to what values i mean ?

best regards Lars

hello again.
figured it out, thanks.

would it be better to run sound through hdmi than spdif from the mac ?

best regards Lars

Like many on this forum I continue to put up with pops, clicks, etc. in the 11a because the sound quality is superb. However, the latest problems are new ones and I wanted to see if anyone else has experienced them.

I recently bought an Oppo BDP-93 Blu ray player and it and the Cary do not seem to like one another. I have two problems. First even though I have set the Oppo to decode SACDs to PCM on HDMI, the Cary refuses to recognize it and I only get the DSD stream. The Cary's HDMI input is also set to receive PCM so I am at a loss. Oppo was also not able to help me.

Second problem is that I tried to play hi rez FLAC files off a USB stick through the oppo and get no sound.

The Oppo passe PCM from DVD audios and Blu rays without any problems.

I have not upgraded to 1.4 so it is possible that would fix these issues but I am reluctant to sink any more money into the Cary.

Has anyone else had these issues? Also I would love to hear from anyone that has upgraded to 1.4 to determine if it might be worth it. Thanks.

Hi Jim;can confirm the cary wont accept a lpcm stream converted from dsd from my oppo95; the same went for the 83. The cary dacs are dsd ones [bit different from the standard burr browns]

It doesnt bother me as its one less conversion and sounds great anyway
I play converted 24/96 dvd a files of a ntfs formatted usb drive [seagate]no problem ;the oppo can take 24/192 as well. It may be formatting [fat 32?] but the experts are in the oppo threadsRest easy its not the cary for once